From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #144 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, May 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: More thouts on Idoltry [ruby maroon ] MM: Idolatry and bitchy women [Johanna ] MM: Patty Chat today! [ruby maroon ] Re: MM: Patty Chat today! [Wendy J ] RE: MM: Patty Chat today! ["Siegman, Elena" ] MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion [rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher)] MM: Patty's Conan appearance. [ruby maroon ] Re: MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion [Han ] MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion [rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher)] MM: Chat with singer/songwriter Patty Griffin on Vegas.com Live! ["Simmo] MM: my turn! ["James P" ] MM: one more thing! ["James P" ] MM: smitten from far, far away [Carol ] Re: MM: my turn! [rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: ruby maroon Subject: MM: More thouts on Idoltry Dave and Jess/and all other Mad Missioners--Im speaking up now because you said I should. I loved both of your posts, thank you they were very very moving! I am an aspiring guitar player, it's hard to learn to play!! Patty's music has helped me not only to learn to play some of her songs, but to realize that the goal is within reach. She uses basic chord structures along with awesome songwriting and its awesome. It's made me see it's something I can do with alot of practice. Thanks to Patty for this. For a long time I was struggeling with frustration and then I won tickets on the radio to see Shawn Colvin which was great, because I loved the song "Sonny came home" well I was late for the show never heard of Patty before I walk into the Theater and see this AWESOME singer whalaing on her guitar singing this song that put chills down my spine and from that moment I said I would learn to play. Patty does sing her heart out she pours emotion into her songs, like something Ive never seen before!! She's naked up there with her songs and her guitar and her voice, she's raw and it's so appealing how she does it. I love her and her music, has changed my world for the BETTER! So that's why I would also travel and put 6,000 miles on my car TOO. Thank you Patty, thank you Mad Missioners for being here. Along with you I connect with her music, and her voice and it's great, it's broadend my world and my mind...this is why I do the things I do. Ruby _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:32:35 -0400 From: Johanna Subject: MM: Idolatry and bitchy women Wendy, I reaaaalllly don't want to get into a major discussion about this, because it is still a bit painful for me. > >and as for natalie merchant being less than gracious >or even friendly to han, perhaps it was because >Natalie disapproved of han's relationship with the >band member, who, han told us, was twice as old as han >is! Perhaps natalie viewed it as inappropriate? True, >han was 18 at the time, but barely out of highschool. Firstly, Natalie was nasty to just about all of Rob's lovers, most of whom were half his age, some of whom where closer to his age. Natalie, at the time, was involved with a man half her age. She is *not* one of a conservative sexual moral code... Maybe it was b/c she and Rob had been lovers when the band started--but I doubt it. >But on another note, why is it that any female who is >smart, strong, and maybe a little aloof or even >unfreindly gets labled a "bitch", as natalie has in >the past (although I realize that han did not call her >this), while males who act likewise get labled as .... >hmmmm, there isn't even a word for it in our language, > is there???? You can go ahead and defend Natalie--it took a lot to topple her from the goddess-level pedestal I had her on. I adored her... You can think whatever you want to feel comfy going on and listening to her music. She really does have a beautiful voice. She does some nice things--she is not all evil. But she was *very* unkind to me. Rob said it was because she "hates rich college girls." My family is not particularly wealthy--certainly not as wealthy as Natalie was then or is now. But I was going to Brown, so she stereotyped me and brushed me off.... Whatever. That was my experience. There are plenty of smart, strong women who I know and still admire. Han ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: ruby maroon Subject: MM: Patty Chat today! Do you think this is real or not? I was curious if it's real? I would hope so! What do you all think? Will anyone on the list be there?? Ruby _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Wendy J Subject: Re: MM: Patty Chat today! do we think what is real?? - --- ruby maroon wrote: > > Do you think this is real or not? I was curious if > it's real? I would > hope so! What do you all think? Will anyone on the > list be there?? > Ruby > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at > http://messenger.yahoo.com > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:12:35 -0700 From: "Siegman, Elena" Subject: RE: MM: Patty Chat today! Tonights Patty chat: http://www.excite.com/communities/chat/events/vegas It's true! Tonight, 10 pm est, 7 pm pst. (woohoo) ps, I'm a newbie here, I've never seen Patty live, but she's a major inspiration (as an aspiring musician myself), and it's been great to follow the threads and see that there are folks out there who do appreciate such an amazing talent! I was starting to get disheartened... > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy J [SMTP:capitalgrrrl@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 12:07 PM > To: ruby maroon; Patty List > Subject: Re: MM: Patty Chat today! > > > do we think what is real?? > > > > --- ruby maroon wrote: > > > > Do you think this is real or not? I was curious if > > it's real? I would > > hope so! What do you all think? Will anyone on the > > list be there?? > > Ruby > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Free instant messaging and more at > > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:31:42 -0500 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher) Subject: MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion Hi all. Was just sitting here and it struck me randomly that I would HATE to be assessed based on one interaction. As has been pointed out, we're all apt to be unfriendly or stressed or reclusive at one time or another. Perhaps Ms. Merchant is truly a cast-iron bitch, perhaps she's actually very warm. Point is that we'll never know and I'm not sure it does credit to her or her efforts to speculate. She has indeed done some very worthwhile things, irrespective of her income or personality. This is NOT meant offensively ... I honestly feel for the person she was rude to (Jess??) and definitely don't think that kind of behavior is right. Just encouraging a remembrance that they all can't be shining moments - for any of us. Ronda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: ruby maroon Subject: MM: Patty's Conan appearance. Hi all! Just wanted to say that I finally got a chance to see her performance, and it was what you all said, and that was the band overpowered her. I know this is probably an old subject but she was still soooo darn cute and Im so glad to have her on video tape even if in my opinion it was to much music!!! So Ill talk to you all soon! Cant wait for Letterman!!! Oh it's just so exciting. Patty rocks no matter what!!!! Love and Music, Ruby _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:56:28 -0400 From: Han Subject: Re: MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion At 02:31 PM 5/17/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. Was just sitting here and it struck me randomly that I would HATE >to be assessed based on one interaction. As has been pointed out, we're all >apt to be unfriendly or stressed or reclusive at one time or another. >Perhaps Ms. Merchant is truly a cast-iron bitch, perhaps she's actually very >warm. Point is that we'll never know and I'm not sure it does credit to her >or her efforts to speculate. She has indeed done some very worthwhile >things, irrespective of her income or personality. > I was in a one-year relationship with her guitarist, as I posted earlier. It was *not* one interaction, but many, many first-hand interactions with her and people who were or had been close to her. I definitely had enough information to know that she wasn't very kind to me, or to a lot of other people, Rob (the guitarist) included. Han ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:35:29 -0500 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher) Subject: MM: NPC: Natalie Merchant discussion My sincere apologies then. I think I took the one limo interaction as the whole deal. I really do think that sort of behavior rotten. Just didn't prefer her unreasonably crucified, even slightly. I see what you're saying a bit better now. Ronda At 04:56 PM 5/17/99 -0400, Han wrote: >At 02:31 PM 5/17/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi all. Was just sitting here and it struck me randomly that I would HATE >>to be assessed based on one interaction. As has been pointed out, we're all >>apt to be unfriendly or stressed or reclusive at one time or another. >>Perhaps Ms. Merchant is truly a cast-iron bitch, perhaps she's actually very >>warm. Point is that we'll never know and I'm not sure it does credit to her >>or her efforts to speculate. She has indeed done some very worthwhile >>things, irrespective of her income or personality. >> > >I was in a one-year relationship with her guitarist, as I posted earlier. >It was *not* one interaction, but many, many first-hand interactions with >her and people who were or had been close to her. I definitely had enough >information to know that she wasn't very kind to me, or to a lot of other >people, Rob (the guitarist) included. > >Han > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:35:53 -0500 From: "Simmons, Ross" Subject: MM: Chat with singer/songwriter Patty Griffin on Vegas.com Live! Chat with singer/songwriter Patty Griffin on Vegas.com Live! Patty Griffin chats about her latest release, "Flaming Red," along with her debut "Living With Ghosts." Critics say she evokes the soul of Bonnie Raitt, the muse of Bob Dylan and the grit of Bruce Springsteen. Griffin appears on The David Letterman Show on June 17. She tours this summer, opening for Jonny Lang, with June dates in Rapid City, Spokane, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles. She is also appearing as part of the Lilith Fair tour on Aug 10 in Columbus, OH and Aug 11 in Cincinnati. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:46:20 -0500 From: "James P" Subject: MM: my turn! I've really enjoyed reading everyone's experiences as groupies/fans and how they have or have not learned from these experiences. I'm kind of in a transition period myself. I've always been reluctant to talk to famous people (it's not like I've had the opportunity several times) because I start to feel kind of silly when the moment of truth comes. I work for Barnes & Noble and SOMETIMES we get big authors in to do signings, usually informal. About two years ago, I walked into the breakroom and saw several co-workers surrounding an older man in his late 60's who had messy gray hair and a beer gut. He was dressed in a regular short sleeved shirt and some slacks and looked kind of "weathered." He was eating some Lo Mein that a friend of mine had brought for her lunch and he was just eating and chatting away. I had no idea who he was and didn't really care so I did my business and left. Only minutes later did I learn that the man was none other than Norman Mailer. At the other end of the spectrum, Naomi Wolf (an insightful feminist author) came for an informal signing and this time, boy, I was prepared! Only 4 of us had gathered and I found her to be very gracious and wise. She encouraged one person to write down their life story because it is a history. She answered my questions and gave us insight about how she writes. The whole time I felt like I was intruding on her space. I felt like we were being rude even though SHE came to our store to sign books. I waited in a very long line to have Dorothy Allison (_Bastard Out of Carolina_) sign my book. When I finally got up there, I was so shy and embarrassed (ME! A LEO!) that she had to initiate the brief conversation. Once again, I just felt silly waiting that long for one signature. Since then, I stay away from author signings because I just feel silly being one more person surrounding ONE human being (if Alice Walker ever comes to our store, though, I'll take back everything I just said!). I've watched fans gush over their favorite author and seen many different responses from the author's themselves ranging from cold to warm. I won't even get into some of the weirdness I witnessed at the two Tori Amos "meet and greets" I went to last year. Let me put it this way: I feel sorry for many of her fans and this is what really pushed me to rethink why I look up to certain people and how to give thanks and show appreciation to the artist without being totally imposing. I'm going to see Patty tomorrow and initially I wanted to try and meet her. But reading everyone else's experiences with her makes me more inclined to just go to the show and leave her alone. I just got a promo copy of _Flaming Red_ from a bid on ebay. I wanted to get her to sign it, but now I'm thinking, "why?" Who am I doing this for? What would that signature mean to me? All it would do is make that CD more "valuable" for a collector. I'm not slamming anyone who's done this because I've done it myself with Tori. I guess my point is that I've always been uncomfortable with the whole non-famous vs. famous thing and that I'm just now, at 23, discovering why. I can't believe I'm about to write this, but Jewel said it best when she said, "People live their lives for you on TV, they say they're better than you and you agree." Why are we so amazed to discover that someone we've idolized is (gasp!) actually human? Are there any psychology majors out there? Give us some insight on this! Okay, I'm done rambling.... -Cristina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:51:17 -0500 From: "James P" Subject: MM: one more thing! I know that we are all going to try and chat with Patty tonight so here's my question: Do we need to pre-register at Vegas.com? How does this work? Are the questions pre-selected? -cristina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:40:32 -0800 From: Carol Subject: MM: smitten from far, far away i am a huge music fan and an avid concert goer, usually small venues with low key musicians. this makes it rather easy to interact with the artists before and after the show, when band members or solo artist will wander about the bar or hang out outside. as mesmerized as i may be with the music, the lyrics, and even the artist himself/herself, i've never approached anyone after a show or asked for an autograph. Partly because i'm shy (well, in that particular situation at least), partly because i don't want to bother them, partly because nothing I'll say will be something they've never heard before, and partly because i'll probably stumble on my words and make a complete ass of myself. another reason that came to mind recently is that i don't like the idea that they (whoever "they" is) are perceived as larger than life, and I (and us) am simply one of the masses groveling over a "star", when really they are not much different than us. they excel at one particular skill, as many of us excel at others. in other words, i don't want to be one of the masses at the feet of some idol. mabye it's a bit of an ego thing, don't know. also, i prefer being a bit subtle. i don't know, something rather romantic about admiring quietly from afar...... carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:07:16 -0500 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda Blacksher) Subject: Re: MM: my turn! Not a psych. major, but I wonder if this all doesn't have something to do with deploring the mundane/trying to reach for something just a little higher. Hero-worship of all kinds typically has to do w/perceived powers/gifts we don't possess but want (I know this lingo is a little out-there, but go with me ...) -- even if it is as simple as just needing attention from a source outside of us. Course, the troubling thing is that the extreme end of this is the stuff cult leaders are made of etc. I guess I always try and remember that it's PG's SINGING that I love and that the lyrics are a very limited reflection of who she is. After all, I've loved Natalie all these years, and turns out she's a hateful bitch. Laughing ... Ronda Why are we >so amazed to discover that someone we've idolized is (gasp!) actually human? >Are there any psychology majors out there? Give us some insight on this! >Okay, I'm done rambling.... > -Cristina > > > ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #144 *********************************