From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #128 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, May 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Re: patty & tori ["Amy Emerman" ] MM: RE: possible over production - opinions ["Laine Proctor" ] MM: RE: greedo should've lived [Joe Sullivan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:31:58 PDT From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: Re: MM: Re: patty & tori I LOVED Little Earthquakes when it first came out. I used to sing all the songs in the shower, and would bicycle around my college town singing "Happy Phantom." I sang "Me and A Gun" at an open mike night to lots of applause. I was smitten with Tori, and so was my friend Greg (who got me into her) and a bunch of people I hung out with. Under The Pink was okay. (I loved the first track and the third, and maybe one other. Boys for Pele had some pretty songs like "Hey Jupiter" and "Horses." This last album I bought and listened to for about three minutes before I put down disgusted. I don't even know why I bought it. Currently, it's sitting in my CD collection collecting dust, unlistened to, and virtually new. Does anyone want it? I just don't dig Tori anymore at all. Amy P.S. OK, I did set myself up for getting flamed...I just don't have the same appreciation for Tori as I did when as a college student I singing all of her songs on Little Earthquakes, sounding exactly like her. I guess I've grown out of her, the same way I'm no longer into Ani DiFranco as I was years ago. The infatuation simply died and turned to boredom. (Other artists I have maintaine great love for over a significant time frame.) >From: JohnRN24@aol.com >To: jasepru@home.com, amye6@hotmail.com, mad-mission-digest@smoe.org >Subject: Re: MM: Re: patty & tori >Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 04:37:39 EDT > >In a message dated 4/30/99 6:45:34 PM EST, jasepru@home.com writes: > ><< Amy, > Are you saying that people who die their hair are not genuine people? > -Cristina >> >OOOOOH! Oh no you dii'nt! Let's not start your mama here, but I GOTTA side >with Christina on this one. I was a Tori fan long ago for the reason I am a >Patty fan now. Sincerity. And anyone who "truly" listens to Little >Earthquakes will admit it is bleeding with honesty. >love all, >:-) John _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:25:14 -0700 From: "Laine Proctor" Subject: MM: RE: possible over production - opinions Hi Sean, I agree, too. Peter Pan, yes. Even on songs that are more rockin, like Flaming Red, I think the production takes a lot away - not only from Patty's voice (there are a lot of really cool little vocal nuances that are downright drowned out), but her guitar. I kinda feel like that on Go Now, too. there seem to be some noises that actually take way from that smooth loungy feel and just sound, well, bizarre. Like she the lounge singer for the Starship Enterprise. Anyway, the songs are incredibly beautiful and her lyrics and vocals are stunning, but, yes, the production was a bit weird. Actually, the production on LWG wasn't spectacular either - I think the CD sounds a lot tinnier than she does in person. Interesting... Patty is Goddess! Laine >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On >Behalf Of Sean Palen >Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 2:45 PM >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: possible over production - opinions > > >Hey MMers > >I read a review recently that mentioned over producing on the >album. I kind >of agree on some of the songs, I wuld never take anything away from the cd >or Patty Griffin as an artist, but she wasn't the producer, I hope you see >what kind of thread I'm shooting for,as wonderful as the songs are, I'm >looking for opinions here, I think some songs might have benefited >from more >of an acoustic sound, Patty's voice is so unbelievable it overshadows the >fact that there were so many effects. All the songs grow on me, when it >comes down to it, I am more and more impressed by the cd as I hear it, but >for example, I think maybe a song like Peter Pan could have done without >anything but her and her piano. Which leads me to my next quetion, has >anyone heard her do that in concert? If she does, is it on the guitar? >Just throwing out stuff, what do you all think. Take it easy > >Sean > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 11:27:44 PDT From: "Sean Palen" Subject: Re: MM: RE: possible over production - opinions This all leads me to one more question, regarding her with the band, how close does the live show come to the cd? Take it easy, Sean >From: "Laine Proctor" >Reply-To: >To: "Mad-mission@smoe. org" >Subject: MM: RE: possible over production - opinions >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:25:14 -0700 > >Hi Sean, >I agree, too. Peter Pan, yes. Even on songs that are more rockin, like >Flaming Red, I think the production takes a lot away - not only from >Patty's >voice (there are a lot of really cool little vocal nuances that are >downright drowned out), but her guitar. I kinda feel like that on Go Now, >too. there seem to be some noises that actually take way from that smooth >loungy feel and just sound, well, bizarre. Like she the lounge singer for >the Starship Enterprise. Anyway, the songs are incredibly beautiful and >her >lyrics and vocals are stunning, but, yes, the production was a bit weird. >Actually, the production on LWG wasn't spectacular either - I think the CD >sounds a lot tinnier than she does in person. Interesting... > >Patty is Goddess! > >Laine > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On > >Behalf Of Sean Palen > >Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 2:45 PM > >To: mad-mission@smoe.org > >Subject: MM: possible over production - opinions > > > > > >Hey MMers > > > >I read a review recently that mentioned over producing on the > >album. I kind > >of agree on some of the songs, I wuld never take anything away from the >cd > >or Patty Griffin as an artist, but she wasn't the producer, I hope you >see > >what kind of thread I'm shooting for,as wonderful as the songs are, I'm > >looking for opinions here, I think some songs might have benefited > >from more > >of an acoustic sound, Patty's voice is so unbelievable it overshadows the > >fact that there were so many effects. All the songs grow on me, when it > >comes down to it, I am more and more impressed by the cd as I hear it, >but > >for example, I think maybe a song like Peter Pan could have done without > >anything but her and her piano. Which leads me to my next quetion, has > >anyone heard her do that in concert? If she does, is it on the guitar? > >Just throwing out stuff, what do you all think. Take it easy > > > >Sean > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:59:50 EDT From: JAMac99@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: possible over production - opinions Sean wrote: "This all leads me to one more question, regarding her with the band, how close does the live show come to the cd" I've always enjoyed live performances more when an artist gets away from the sound of a cd and improvises a bit. I feel like I'm getting ripped off if they do songs the same way over and over and over again. just an opinion.... jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:50:11 EDT From: Hejjira1@aol.com Subject: MM: Regarding Letterman Is Patty on Letterman this Friday? And does anyone have the time? And when will she be on Conan? I really need to get these down on my calender..........Also does anyone know all the official singles that were released from Flaming Red prior to Blue Sky??? Peace, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 18:14:16 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: greedo should've lived hello. I don't feel that Ms. Griffin's Cd is over porduced. In fact, I feel it's a bit under-produced at times. Regarding "Peter Pan," well I said this before, the thing I don't like about it is When Kenny Arnoff uses his "almost splashlike" cymbal for that first snare drum roll. It could have been performed alot cleaner, smoother, especially from someone of Kenny's stature. That was a disapointment. Oh, sorry to go off on a tangent, but anyway, I say under-produced cuz the CD sometimes gives off the low-fi edge, especially the beginning of "Peter Pan." (it sounded like she recorded that first part in her living room, tape recording noise and all). On Tori Amos and religion, blah blah blah etc... Let's not talk about religion here, except as applied to Patty Griffin songs PLEASE. As seen on this list before (remember the sexually repressed priests, y'all?) religion gets quite a reaction. I know tons about religions of all over including the Church of Euthanasia (the most fascinating I've come across so far). As pointed out religion has been the cause of world problems throughout time, and yadda yadda yadda, and I'm preaching here so I'll stop. ;P On "One Big Love".... hey, I play that song as the outro to my TV show on Fridays, so regardless of how backward the music industry is down here (it was only about two weeks ago that that weird "use suntan lotion" song came over the airwaves) I let Santa Rosa county get a taste of good music. (By the way, the intro is "Italian Minestrone" by Turkey Mallet for any Turkey Mallet fans.) I just think it goes so well, the "let's take a ride to the seaside...go out swimming in the high tide" being right on the gulf and all. Um, yeah tinnitus thing... As a heavy-metal long haired highschooler going to those incredibly loud concerts along with being a drummer, it became natural for me to wear ear-plugs (even though it was un-cool and all). But I was the one who could hear the next day and my friends weren't. ;) Wear earplugs wear earplugs wear earplugs. It doesn't sound worse, and it saves your hearing. For those who are still self-conscious about it, cut the plugs in half and stick the halves in those precious holes. I'm preaching again...:P Ummmmmmmm. Guinness. The most beautiful creation existing in the world today. ;) Whoever posted hugging a Guinness...that was beautiful poetry in its finest. I'll be imbibing quite a few this weekend as I fly up to Allentown PA to see my best friend get married....the fool! (kidding) :) Goodbye to Mark. It's been good reading your opinions. Uh, I cannot think of any other post to respond to at the moment, being at work and working and all. oh, by the way. The preceding is of course all in my humble opinion, but like did I even have to add that? duh. ;) ....And Greedo got a bad rap in Star Wars ....And I still go for that slutty look. ;) Gotta run like a bad bladder condition peace, love, and vegetable rights. paul ********************************* * Damn, woman. I just gave you * * sweet lovin' five minutes * * ago. You tryin' to kill me? * * --Chef (from Southpark)* ********************************* _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:01:40 -0700 From: Joe Sullivan Subject: MM: RE: greedo should've lived Are you insane? Greedo was a scum sucking bastard who fell for the ol' blaster-in-the-holster-under-table smokin'. He was piss in the Tatooine gene pool. Apologies for the profanity, he took a shot at my man Han. As for the "lets talk only about Patty" general comments. What's the prob with talking about whatever people want to talk about? Patty commentary's fine. But she don't come around me so I don't have much to say. I like her music and assume that others who do are interested in common stuff. Isn't it wierd to worship her? To ONLY talk about her? Do you think she would be part of a list serve which only talked about her? Sounds PFB to me, that's a phrase I use on my intergalactic broadcasts to bring hipness to the universe. It means I find the idea boring and assume that people on the list have brains. Then again, my world revolves around her. She's dreamy!!!!!!!!!!!! Hugs and kisses, Marcia Brady ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #128 *********************************