From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #125 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, May 3 1999 Volume 03 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Patty's Nashville River Stages Performance [EdSharpe@aol.com] MM: Re: My Patty Day [Julie E Graham ] MM: RE: A response [Mark Cicero ] MM: Phony Patty [MistyBC@aol.com] MM: Deathmatch ["Paquin, John" ] MM: One Big Love [Mark Cicero ] MM: Re: One Big Love (band) [Julie E Graham ] [Fwd: Re: MM: One Big Love] [L & C Israelson ] Re: MM: One Big Love [LHope42731@aol.com] MM: she changes everything she touches and everything she touches changes [hilah@ix.netcom.c] MM: I've heard One Big Love [Hejjira1@aol.com] MM: Rocking the house down (NPC) [David Lewis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:03:47 EDT From: EdSharpe@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty's Nashville River Stages Performance Hi All - I'm just in from a day (and night) at the Nashville River Stages Festival. I went to both saturday and sunday's shows, and I must say that Patty was the highlight of the entire weekend. She performed all songs from Flaming Red along with a new song that was very cool. My friends were stunned because they knew her from LWG and she didn't do anything from that. I was a slight bit disappointed myself, but it still was a great show. I was thrilled to see my close friend John Deaderick playing keys for her. I talked to him after the show, but Patty was quickly back to the bus to cool off, so I didn't get to meet her. :[ Other musical highlights were: Wilco, Bela Fleck, Steve Earle, Bare Jr., Cheap Trick, Hole, Eddie Money, Robin Trower, Train, and Everclear. Fun Weekend!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 06:46:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Julie E Graham Subject: MM: Re: My Patty Day > So anyway, we met Misty and her friend, Xena, at the Phoenix stage and > then met up with Julie. We all then walked hand in hand chanting "Patty! > Patty! Patty!" and surprisingly got lots of "you go girls!" from passersby. > Then Misty performed an interpretive dance as we sang "Flaming Red" and > gathered quite an audience who begged for more after her dramatic finish. Wow, did I fall asleep during that? :) > Patty wasn't too chatty but did say that it was nice to sing "Blue Sky" on > such a beautiful day. Some woman off to the right went absolutely nuts when > the intro to "Mary" began. She like started screaming and stomping her feet. Ugh, I saw her too. I think it's a bit much when you can hear a person singing over the speakers. I don't think I have anything else too add, except that I'm glad she added Christina and Little God to her set. I'm praying she'll get bored with the set list she's playing now by the time she comes to 328. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of seeing the same set 4 times in one month. :) Ofcourse, some Patty is better than no Patty. :) :) I guess Christina and I will just have to be braver and shout some requests! Julie "Raised by Wolves in Alaska. Learned to yodel at the moon. Lived in a van on the San Diego freeway, only stopped for gas...." - Jewel reflects jokingly of critics' view of her childhood. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:52:52 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: RE: A response To all those who are pissed off at Amy let me quote a line from one of my favorite Patty songs: "It's hard to give, it's hard to get, but everybody needs a little forgiveness". Regards, Mark Nashville,TN - -----Original Message----- From: Vanessa McGowan [mailto:faerygirl23@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 1999 1:24 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: A response Hey all! Just a quick response to amy's post. Why is it that people feel the need to slam others for things they have absolutely no knowledge of or context for? Tori fan or not...I was extremely offended by amy's post and as a result, have no interest in hearing what she has to say (at least for now!) To you amy, I have one question! How would you feel if I slammed you faith over the net? As I have stated before, I am an initiate of faery wicca and your comments about her interest in the fae being "out there" hurt me deeply. If you cared enough to look beyond you would learn that they are not little men with pointy shoes and women with gossimer wings (although I love that image) but, an ancient race of people who were exterminated. Next time you feel the need to slam someone for things you don't know about or have any interest in - please... KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! === my country 'tis of thee/ to take shots at each other on prime time t.v./ why don't you just go ahead and turn off the sun/ 'cause we'll never live long enough/ to undo everything they've done to you/ 'tis of thee - Ani Difranco _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:11:54 EDT From: MistyBC@aol.com Subject: MM: Phony Patty Hey guys! Just thought I'd get your attention with that subject line... I don't want to fuel this debate, but when I saw Patty yesterday... Her hair was DYED! OMIGOSH! It was a very beautiful and unnatural red color. (I know her natural color is red, but this color was not. Still very nice, though.) Anyway! I attended Patty's Riverstages show, and like Cristina, I have a sunburn to prove it. I must stop wearing such skimpy clothing, but it's much more comfortable when I'm doing my famous dances. The show was simply amazing, in part to the beautiful weather and the GIGANTIC crowd. I have a prediction to make: PATTY WILL BE A HOUSEHOLD NAME BEFORE THIS YEAR IS OVER!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd estimate that there were at least 600 people that saw at least part of Patty's set. And over half knew who she was! I was so amazed and happy for her. I think her big following in Nashville really goes to prove that all she needs is for radio stations to play her songs. Lightning 100 plays her all the time! Otherwise, people would be going... "Patty who??". And with these talk shows coming up and "Blue Sky" being released... I think Patty will be a true rock star soon, whether she wants to be or not. As much as I love acoustic "Living With Ghosts" Patty, I think she wants to be a star. And she deserves it, when it happens. The truth is, yesterday, she was a star. People were in awe of her, you could tell. They all loved her. How could you not? So, I really want to urge people--Call your radio stations and request "Blue Sky"!!!!! I really think this song has the potential to be a BIG HIT, and we should do our best to help Patty. Well, I must run to dance practice!! Happy Monday to all, Misty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:08:53 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: Deathmatch I would like to amend my previous "steel-cage" predictions. I'm still pretty certain that Tori could take Patty, but I now believe that Vanessa could take them both at the same time. Especially if they said something disparaging about fairies. - -john - ------------------------------------------------------------ Don't try to be smart, just try not to be stupid. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:48:00 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: One Big Love I have seen Patty perform with the full band on two occasions and in both shows she has not performed "One Big Love". I would like to know from others on the list, who have seen her with the band, if she has EVER performed this song live?? If not, don't you wonder why? Anybody want to speculate??? (has she ever performed it, even acoustically??) I saw Patty perform this past Sunday at River Stages in Nashville, and must admit it was a pretty good show. At least the band had their act together (which is more than I can say for them when they performed here last at 3rd and Lindsly). I still maintain, however that, with the exception of the bass player, her band comes off somewhat amateurish. Patty needs and deserves TOP NOTCH back up musicians. Does anybody else on the list feel that her band is somewhat lack luster or am I just too critical? I did stay around for the next act and got my dose of consummate musicianship listening to Nashville's very own, "Bela Fleck and the Flecktones". This is a band that defies all labels. One would have to characterize them a "jazz" because there is a lot of improvisation but they do manage to blend elements of bluegrass, R&B, funk, rock, and classical. I highly recommend that you check them out. Best regards to all. Mark Nashville,TN PS: Misty, I'm sorry I missed your dance :- ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:25:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Julie E Graham Subject: MM: Re: One Big Love (band) > I saw Patty perform this past Sunday at River Stages in Nashville, and must > admit it was a pretty good show. At least the band had their act together > (which is more than I can say for them when they performed here last at 3rd > and Lindsly). I still maintain, however that, with the exception of the > bass player, her band comes off somewhat amateurish. Patty needs and > deserves TOP NOTCH back up musicians. Does anybody else on the list feel I'm not ready to be critical of the band, but I must say her bass player amuses me. :) I kept finding myself destracted by him yesterday! There I was, two feet away from Patty, and I was looking at him! When he sings along with Patty, he makes crazy faces. When he does he looks *so* much like Chris Katan from SNL and "A Night at the Roxbury". (I *think* that's his name.) Julie "Raised by Wolves in Alaska. Learned to yodel at the moon. Lived in a van on the San Diego freeway, only stopped for gas...." - Jewel reflects jokingly of critics' view of her childhood. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:12:57 -0700 From: L & C Israelson Subject: [Fwd: Re: MM: One Big Love] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------7131073BD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I keep forgetting that replies on this list default to the author, rather than the whole list. - --------------7131073BD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <372DF072.59CE@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:52:34 -0700 From: L & C Israelson Reply-To: nelliebly@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Cicero Subject: Re: MM: One Big Love References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patty and band played OBL when I saw them last August at the Fox Theatre in Boulder, Colorado. (The line-up was Rufus Wainwright, PG, Lucinda Williams and Chris Isaak.) Since it was the first single (right?) from FR, it surprises me that it's already off her live set list. FWIW, I really like this song, but only in a superficial, toe-tapping sort of way. There's nothing wrong with ear candy, but OBL pales next to Tony, Mary, Goodbye, etc. Although I am not a musician (translation, my opinion may be next to worthless), PG's band came off as distinctly mediocre to my ears. Larry I in LA Mark Cicero wrote: > > I have seen Patty perform with the full band on two occasions and in both > shows she has not performed "One Big Love". > > I would like to know from others on the list, who have seen her with the > band, if she has EVER performed this song live?? If not, don't you wonder > why? Anybody want to speculate??? (has she ever performed it, even > acoustically??) > > I saw Patty perform this past Sunday at River Stages in Nashville, and must > admit it was a pretty good show. At least the band had their act together > (which is more than I can say for them when they performed here last at 3rd > and Lindsly). I still maintain, however that, with the exception of the > bass player, her band comes off somewhat amateurish. Patty needs and > deserves TOP NOTCH back up musicians. Does anybody else on the list feel > that her band is somewhat lack luster or am I just too critical? > > I did stay around for the next act and got my dose of consummate > musicianship listening to Nashville's very own, "Bela Fleck and the > Flecktones". This is a band that defies all labels. One would have to > characterize them a "jazz" because there is a lot of improvisation but they > do manage to blend elements of bluegrass, R&B, funk, rock, and classical. I > highly recommend that you check them out. > > Best regards to all. > > Mark > Nashville,TN > > PS: Misty, I'm sorry I missed your dance :- ) - --------------7131073BD-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:17:05 EDT From: LHope42731@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: One Big Love Hi! I saw Patty and the band at the Exit/In in Nashville last November. They performed One big Love as an encore. It was great! That song is the reason why I bought Flaming Red. I had never heard of Patty and I was blown away! Now, that is probably one of my least favorite songs, and I love it! It's just that the others are so incredible! As for her musicians, they are awesome! You must be too critical. I am also in a band and I think I'm a pretty good judge on that call. I don't think Patty would be playing with those guys if she didn't think they were great. They are also really nice guys, and that is sometimes hard to find. Anyway, I guess that's all I have to say for now. Peace, Taura Hallman Anniston, AL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:38:40 -0700 From: hilah@ix.netcom.com Subject: MM: she changes everything she touches and everything she touches changes just a note. i reckon patty g is getting somewhat more popular if my experience yesterday is anything but an isolated happenstance. i was at a trafficlight and heard one big love blasting from the auto next to me. i went to the recordstore and heard mary overhead. i was taking cleanclothes off the line at twilight and the kittycorner cottage was pouring lwg from open windows with spirited singalong. i don't know these folks yet was tempted to introduce myself. then i decided against it. i'm not sure appreciation of pg is reason enough yet i will continue to listen and if i hear an argument about the relative possibilities of hairdye as a litmus test for veracity (or vice-versa) or perhaps a loud-enough discussion re the iconography of spirituality as represented by performing artists we inherit via a media culture which often has us more interested in people we have never met rather than those we encounter each day, well then i may expand the boundaries of my neighborhood cradle an additional 50 meters and say, um, hello. actually i waved but i don't think they saw me. best to all. s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:40:19 EDT From: Hejjira1@aol.com Subject: MM: I've heard One Big Love When my cousin and I saw Patty last summer at what used to be Mama Kin's in Boston, she played One Big Love.......complete with backing band. I have to say that Patty put on a mean show......and her band did nothing but compliment the ferocity of Flaming Red. What was even better was that halfway thru the set Patty dismissed the band.....picked up an acoustic and just banged out songs left and right.....taking requests along the way. My cousin and I were first row with our chests right up against the stage......staring intently at Ms. Griffin......who smiled and winked at us on more than one occasion. We were so close that we could read the entire set list that Patty had down by her feet.....so we knew each song coming up. It will be a night that I'll never forget........ Peace, Paul "The most as you'll ever go.....is back where you used to know.....if grownups could laugh this slow.......whereas you watch the hour snow.......Years may go by." Rickie Lee Jones ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:48:00 -0300 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: Rocking the house down (NPC) Hello All! Sorry for the non-Paty content but I really think I have an important message that all of you should hear. Let me start of by saying that I am, of course, a huge Patty fan :) I've been on the Mad-Mission list for over a year now. Music has always been a big part of my life and Patty is waaaaay up there on my all-time favorite list!! I've seen her three times and travelled as far as 10 hours by car to see her! Mind you, I'm from Halifax, Nova Scotia, so if you want to go any major center you have to drive quite a while :) We're used to it. Anyway, a recent post mentioned something about a song that threatened to "rock the house down around our ears". Well, a few months ago, I would have *loved* to have been there... but today, the thought of attending anything that loud is compeletely out of the question for me. I have an ear condition known as tinnitus. I've had it for over two months now. I'm posting this in the hopes that what happened to me doesn't happen to *any* of you. Believe me, you do not want to have this problem. For those of you who don't know, and it seems like most people don't until it's too late, tinnitus is a ringing or other sound in your ears/head. You have most likely all experienced this after going to a loud disco or a loud concert or whatever. Your ears will ring (very high pitched tone) afterwards but it usually only lasts for a minute or two. The thing that most people *don't* know is that in some cases, the ringing starts and never stops... and there is usually nothing that can be done about it. In my case, the ringing started on February 15th of this year and it hasn't stopped since. Ever since that day I have not slept right, I wake up every night, I've been extremely anxious and depressed, I have a hard time concentrating, I lost a lot of weight at one point, and I have been basically just freeked out. I used to be a passionate music lover, but for the first two months I could not even stomach the *though* of listening to music... especially not when it's always accompanied by a high pitch whine all the time. That high pitch whine follows me everywhere. In my case, I can hear it almost all the time. The shower covers it as does running water in the sink. Just being outdoors helps a lot too. But for some people, the ringing can be so loud that nothing at all will cover it. People with severe tinnitus compare it to the sound of a 747 landing in their ear or a frieght train passing in their head. Others can only hear it in a very quiet room. I'm somewhere in the middle. The doctors can only guess at what caused mine and in almost all cases have nothing to offer but the words "learn to live with it". I am, slowly, starting to learn to live with it, but it isn't easy. The ringing, or rather, my reaction to it, affects my entire nervous system. At one point I was so tense that I had a headache for almost 3 weeks. Although we often can't say for sure what causes ones tinnitus, we do have some very good guesses, and... surprise... the number one cited cause is hearing damage. Hearing damage is not always accompanied by tinnitus of course, and tinnitus often occurs in cases where there is no hearing loss, but it is estimated that over 50% of tinnitus *is* caused by noise exposure. Also, 99.9% of all noise induced hearing loss is preventable. In my case, I listened to a walkman very loud in grade 11, I played drums in grade 9, banjo in grade 12 (very loud instrument), listened to music on headphones a bit too loud at work last summer/fall (maybe 2-3 hours a day, 2-3 times per week) and played my el-chepo 2 speaker car stereo way too loud last summer/fall. I have only been to about 5 or 6 concerts in the past 5 years (3 of which were Patty :) and never really went out too bars too much. In other words, my noise exposure is pretty typical of a lot of people! I'm not a musician in a band playing gigs every night! I'm not a jackhammer operator. I'm not a 60 year old man with profound hearing loss. I'm 30 years old and otherwise, thankfully, perfectly healthy. I just listened to headphones now and then, went to a few concerts here and there and cranked my car stereo every now and then! This is typically of a ton of people. The lesson to be learned is, it can happen to anyone!!!! Our auditory systems are not all created equally! Some people are more sensitive than others and you really have no way of knowing how "tough" or "sensitive" your ears are until it's too late. Anything over 100dB for more than 15 minutes can cause permenant hearing damage, and the thing is, unless you get tinnitus as a result or have sudden and drastic hearing loss as a result, you can't even tell that you've done damage! Also, all of that damage adds up over the years. Anyway, I have preached long enough. Suffice it to say, PLEASE take my advice and if you are going to see *any* live music, WEAR EARPLUGS!!!!!! Everyone knows about hearing loss but most people do not know about tinnitus. Trust me, tinnitus is far worse than hearing loss. Also, it seems like the *last* place you will ever hear about tinnitus is from the music industry. No one in the industry (save for Pete Townsend and Beck) really want to talk about it... even though I would guess that over 50% or more of all professional musicians have some degree of tinnitus. By the way, even the movies are extremely dangerous. They routinely reach over the 110dB mark or more. So... please, turn down the walkman, don't sit in front of the speakers at a concert, and most of all... wear ear plugs. Remember, most sound men probably are already hard of hearing... plus that *ARE* wearing ear plugs... so they turn it up *LOUD*!! Also, since our brains hear loudness as a contrast to silence and not as an absolute (i.e. your brain gets used to the loudness of a concert) they very often turn the sound up *LOUDER* as the show goes on! Now, I'm not saying that Patty's sound guy does this, I don't know anything about that. I'm also not blaming *ANYONE* for my tinnitus, least of all Patty!!! I just hope that by telling you guys about my story, you will be spared from the same fate. If you really love music, as I do, please turn it down. You will be sooooooooo much better off in the long run. Also, if anyone wants more info, just email me and I can give you some URLs of some sites with good info on tinnitus. As for myself, I'm hanging in there. I know I will be ok eventually. I really have no other choice. However, I will never be able to go to another live concert again... even with ear plugs it would just be far to risky. The way I am coping with it right niw is just to focus as much as possible on the good things in my life. Tinnitus is not life threatening, but it can be very disabling if you let it. Anyway, it's a beautiful day here, so I'm going to go for a walk and when I get back... maybe listen to a little bit of Patty (just not very loud). Peace, David - ---------------------------- David Lewis Digital & Print Media Design dlewis@hfx.andara.com - ---------------------------- ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #125 *********************************