From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #120 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, April 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Lillith Participation [Carol ] MM: DOH!!! ["Paul Russell" ] MM: NPC: entertainment industry ? [CornflkGl@aol.com] Re: MM: DOH!!! very little PC [UMCaner74@aol.com] MM: patty at riverstages ["James P" ] Re: MM: Re: patty and tori amos [JohnRN24@aol.com] MM: If you like Patty... [JohnRN24@aol.com] MM: Re: Tori & Patty [Aleixa2@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:25:28 -0800 From: Carol Subject: MM: Lillith Participation i'd just like to add my 2 cents about why Tori (and maybe even patty) are hesistant about involvement in Lillith Fair this year. In a remarkably short period of time, this event has become a giant success, which has lead to anyone who is female with a voice and maybe a guitar/piano etc. signing on to be part of this whirlwind success. it's certainly great exposure for the lesser known acts, even if it is 2nd or 3rd stages, and definitely further spotlight for those who don't need anymore help i.e. Sheryl Crow, Jewel. it seems to me that artists like Tori want to stand out and it's difficult to do so when you're in a line of many female artists. I've also read her interviews where she clearly states her dislike of the idea that "boys aren't allowed." She didn't appear keen on the idea of an only women show, with no room for some great bands/artists of the male persuasion..... i tend to agree now, although, i was very excited about the notion 3 years ago. any chance to see the indigo girls do their thing and expose their amazing music to more people is alright with me...... carol - ------------------------ From: Wendy J Subject: MM: NPC: disappointed in Tori Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:19:40 -0700 (PDT) To: mad-mission@smoe.org I agree totally w/Rachel: Little Earthquakes and Under the Pink are, to me, amazing works of musical and poetic craftswomanship. I absolutely LOVE her for those records. But as for Boys for Pele...what's up with that? Definitely some loopy lyrics in there, although there are certainly some good strong tracks. I haven't rushed out to buy her new one and will probably wait a bit longer before I do b/c I just don't have the energy to make sense enough out of her lyrics so that they mean something personal to me. I can do that easily enough w/patty and even janet jackson for that matter. I also feel somewhat disappointed in Tori for not wanting to participate in the Lilith Fair. I disagree with her reasoning for keeping out of Lilith: b/c it doesn't feature any boybands. It frankly surprises me that such a strong and accomplished (female) artist like Tori woudn't see the importance or need for a unique space where women can highlight their talent in and of itself, without the boyz taking over. I think the Lilith Fair has created an importance and appreciation of women musicians that was sorely lacking before (and still is, although to a somewhat lesser degree). Anyways, that's just my $.02. And don't get me wrong, I really do like Tori and her music, I'm just a little puzzled by her non-participation in Lilith and her disagreement with its purpose. If the cornflake grrls can't get down w/the raisin grrrls and bask in the whole girly thing once a year, when can they do it, i ask you????? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:25:39 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: DOH!!! hmmmm. well. I'm totally wiggin right now. Here I am at work and I didn't go to see Patty Griffin in concert in Birmingham. And the killer part is that I found out after I got here, that I didn't even need to come in today cuz it was all dead. So, I've got this knife, see, an I'm going to stab myself in the leg. One, Two, Three....AUUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!! This really sucks donkey balls. When I found out I could go it was too late to drive five hours and see her in time. Maybe she'll come back this way again before I'll have to see her in a stadium. I wanted to go to the one yesterday in Baton Rouge, but that day I was slammed doing newspaper layout and live television. So, I understand that one. But damn, I can't believe I missed today. Well. anyway... paul now responds to posts.... *Give it a year-carol* I'm sorry, but if someone tried to give me his albums or CD's, I'd be like , "um, okay. Hey yeah I heard it wasn't that good. I'll just take it off your hands....thanks, sucker." (just to be like the scroungy pig I am) ;P *Badlees in concert-Dave* The Badlees in concert??? Those dudes wanted 50-grand to play at my university (in 1996...the Badlees who?) and other odds N ends like beer (on a dry campus) etc.(so of course we told 'em to "take off"). And then I listened to their CD for my CD review and didn't really feel they were "all that" (I gave them a thumbs down). I'm sorry for putting them down, it's just that when I saw "Badlees" I thought of wicker waste baskets....and we all know how tacky those are. ;) (can we be any more 80's?) *Patty-Stock-christine* Yes, I would definitely go to something in Nashville. But it really needs to be on the weekend and I need to know like loads of time in advance so I can tell the employers to "take off, ya hosers." New orleans would also be really rad cuz I'm only three hours from there. Baton Rouge is like another hour and a half. Savannah could be done, as well. Farther north than Nashville is like asking me to give birth, though (it just ain't happening). :) God, who ever thought of wicker waste baskets anyway? *Lillith Fair* Nah, I won't comment on the Lillith Fair. ;) Oh, and today it is not only a sad day because I lost my chance to see the one and only, but also because I ate a tomato. Yes I senslessly slaughtered a vegetable (with a dull knife I might add). My only solace is that the only reason why it's a vegetable is because the Supreme Court deemed it to be one (so that tomato sales could be taxed)(vegetable sales were taxed and fruit sales weren't, but I'm digressing maximum). Until the next time I'm free from my three, count em three, jobs. peace, love, and vegetable rights, paul ********************************* * Damn, woman. I just gave you * * sweet lovin' five minutes * * ago. You tryin' to kill me? * * --Chef (from Southpark)* ********************************* _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:09:13 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: MM: NPC: entertainment industry ? It seems to me that tons of people on this list are working in the entertainment industry or the media. People always post saying things like "I'm in the recording industry, and..." or "well, my newspaper/magazine said..." Just how many of you people out there are working in the media or in music ? I feel like the type of people who are Patty fans say a lot about her. What do you-all think ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:41:25 EDT From: UMCaner74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: DOH!!! very little PC Paul, I'm actually pretty good friends with the one guitarist of the Badlees..the fact that you say they wanted 50 grand for one show is pretty hard to believe. They have played countless free shows, for any charity or good cause you could ever think of... They are incredibly hard working band. They toured and toured on their own record label here in Central PA for over 6 years before the release of the '95 CD River Songs. When that CD came out, it was the top selling album in all of Central PA for about half of '96...that is WITHOUT a national record deal! The fact that they were able to accomplish outselling national artists without a national record deal is something that no other band has ever done here..and I doubt it's done very often elsewhere. This obviously attracted national record label attention..and they were signed (unfortunately for them) to A & M who in the midst of the whole buy-out thing, did NOTHING for them. None the less, their single "Angeline Is Coming Home" made the Billboard's top 20, and the video was aired on VH-1 quite a few times. ON that tour, they just happened to take OUR Patty on tour with them across the country for months, where she was introduced to clubs full of people, instead of playing to relatively sparse crowds. She has had nothing but nice things to say about them the 2 times I have talked to her about them. I have been to see this band play at least 20 times in the area here, and of all the times I've seen them, they have NEVER put on a bad show. They are a band that is better appreciated by their live performance...that is why it took so long for the people in my area to catch on to them! I have no idea where someone got a figure of a $50,000 demand for one show... there is NO WAY even in the prime of their popularity that they could have ever gotten that much because I've only seen them charge more than $12 for a ticket ONE TIME. That was at a festival where many other bands were involved. For the promoter, and venue, and everyone else to even break even on a show where the band was demanding $50,000..they would have to have approximately 5,000 people in attendance!! At one time the Badlees may have been big enough to generate that type of a crowd here in their hometown..but it would have had to have been under the perfect circumstances. The idea that they would charge that kind of money somewhere else is insane. They never had the kind of popularity outside of this area to draw even half that amount of people...they would be damn lucky to get over 2,000. I'm sorry to go on and on here on this subject..but I just had to defend my guys here..and let everyone know that they did NOT ask for $50,000 for one show..I don't doubt the beer part..but this band is not in it for the money. When they play here now, they are selling out venues..and charging $5 - $8 per ticket..that is NOT a band out for money. They could easily be charging $20 for admission, and still be selling out..but they don't. Anyway..I think I'm going to stop there..I could go on and on about other things, but I'll stop there.. Take care. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:39:28 -0500 From: "James P" Subject: MM: patty at riverstages Hey, For anyone going to see Patty at Riverstages this Sunday in Nashville, Patty is scheduled to perform at 3:35p.m. I think she'll be on the First American stage, but I'm not COMPLETELY sure. I am sure about the time, though. At least, this is what is printed in this week's "Nashville Scene." Hope to see some of y'all there... -Cristina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:08:37 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: patty and tori amos I would agree that while Patty just gives me chills with the way she configures the story she tells, it's Tori's piano and the way she just belts out in the song Precious Things (live) that makes my hand stand on end. I was die-hard Tori first, but Patty had just that quickly caught up to her on my "favs" list. Going to see Natalie Merchant on 5/7&8. Another lyrical genius. "Sigh!" Anyhoo... those are the Elite 3 that I compare to each other. Later taters :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:10:50 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: MM: If you like Patty... Then you're sure to like Beth Orton. I may be five months behind alot of you guys. I don't know if anyone posted anything on Beth yet, but I heard her on my favorite show (Felicity... yeah leave me alone, it's good!) and now I can't get enough of her latest CD. Look her up! :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:09:59 EDT From: Aleixa2@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Tori & Patty I would have to agree with the ones stating that they are very different in a lot of ways (Tori & Patty that is). They are both goddesses in their own ways. As for Tori, i never used to like her, not one bit, then this one friend of mine (who happens to be into the same tradition of Faery Wicca) played hey jupiter and i was hooked. I have all her CD's and lots of bootlegs & imports. I recommend her Under the Pink- Australian Verson to all die-hard fans. Did you know the piano she plays on costs around $850,000!! Patty is just wonderful cause she has this home town, down to earth feel to her music. It is much easier to relate to i feel. But as to pick which one is better, well i'd first run naked into a cornfield backwards before i would ever make that decision. Seeing lilith fair in both dates in MI & OH so hopefully Patty will be there, yay! Y'all take care. Richie ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #120 *********************************