From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #75 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, March 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Awards, etc. [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: MM: Awards, etc. [COOLTUNES5@aol.com] MM: all you need is love..... ["k.c." ] MM: Awards fuss ["Steve Garrison" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:31:44 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: MM: Awards, etc. << all i was saying is that its disturbing to see somewhat mediocre talent glorified in a "awards ceremony" in the name of "best in their field or class" , when what its really about is # of units sold. Im not arguing the merits of these people to be sucessful, all I'm saying is if you are gonna have a "awards ceremony", choose those folks most deserving. In my humble opinion there was better music produced out there last year than Lauren Hill, and Shania Twain! >> The key phrase there, of course, is "in my humble opinion." When you say "those folks most deserving," aren't you really saying "the folks *I* think should win?" Look, I'm not a fan of hip-hop, but Lauryn Hill is a smart, compelling woman who is doing a terrific job at what she does, and a *whole* helluva lot of people like her. She'll sell more copies of her current CD than Patty will of *all* her CDs in her *entire* career. Same with Shania Twain. It's difficult to see how they qualify as "mediocre talent." The awards ceremonies are absolutely *not* about record sales, they're about recognizing the music that *most* people like. Or they're about PR. The secret is to think of shows like the Grammys as a "People's Choice Awards" for musicians, sort of a popularity contest. And, unfortunately, until a whole lot more people share your opinion about what constututes "deserving" music, it's gonna stay just the way it is. No need for anyone to get all tangled up in their underwear about it. RG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:06:27 EST From: COOLTUNES5@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Awards, etc. the reason i preceeded my comments with "my humble opinion", because it is just that, and this is a comment board to solicit what?...you got it peoples comments. I started this whole discussion and feel i have the right to contribute to it there, RG!!! And your assumption that the awards go to those folks who are most deserving because "MOst" people like that kind of music is grossly misguided, as is your comment on not being driven by record sales. The Music Business, en Mass, is totally driven by record sales. As far as Lauren Hill and Shania Twain are concerned, you should learn to read what folks write, and comprehending their meaning before shooting off half cocked, and un thought out answers! Thats wonderful that your a fan of those two yound ladies, and im sure there is a segment of people who feel as you do. However to assume that the overwhelming majority of music listeners like that formm of music, and the awards shows are simply reflecting that is not only naive, but sounds just plain silly! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:50:15 -0500 From: "k.c." Subject: MM: all you need is love..... ummmm.........people.....can we all just get along and continue loving patty griffin? huh? how 'bout it? smiles and warm squishy thoughts :o) k ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:54:33 -0500 From: "Steve Garrison" Subject: MM: Awards fuss COOLTUNES5 responded to RG: > As far as Lauren Hill and Shania Twain are concerned, you should learn to read what folks > write, and comprehending their meaning before shooting off half cocked, and un > thought out answers! Thats wonderful that your a fan of those two yound > ladies,.... etc etc That's a pretty ironic comment, considering that RG specifically stated: "I'm not a fan of hip-hop," and implied the same of Shania Twain's music. What's the hard part about understanding RG's point that mass-media awards are there to glorify .... MASS media!? Awards like the grammies are a self-congratulatory exercise on the part of THE INDUSTRY, and have little or nothing to do with assessing the merits of so-called artists. As Paul Simon wrote, "The music suffers, baby/ The music business thrives." The overwhelming majority of the music I listen to, the books I read, and the values which are important to me are apparently not marketable on a mass basis, and I'm comfortable with that, although I find, through this and other discussion groups, sharing with friends, and other more direct and personal means, that many other people share my appreciation. Finally, I find that I enjoy seeking out emerging young artists who you can listen to, and see, and talk to, and encourage, and direct others towards, who are still full of passion for the music. I especially enjoy the recent work of Peter Mulvey, Richard Julian, and Joe Henry, and would encourage readers of this list to check our their shows, their CDs, and their websites. They are in no danger of receiving Grammies, PCAs, or other trophies, but they, too, are musicians of talent and integrity. Steve ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #75 ********************************