From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #370 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, December 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 370 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Patty and NYPD Blue [Cynthia Courtney ] MM: Re: mad mission [yourmama13@juno.com (T-Love Halverson)] MM: Patty's Voice on TV ["Donna Littell" ] Re: MM: Patty's Voice on TV [Pretty Silver Grrrl ] Re(2): MM: Patty's Voice on TV [Pretty Silver Grrrl ] MM: review of Patty, and a ? @ Melissa Ferrick [HAW3065@ACS.TAMU.EDU] MM: Re: bad review, what were they thinking??? ["Candice Crawford" Subject: MM: Patty and NYPD Blue In Mad Mission Digest V2 #369, Leigh writes: >OK, maybe I'm listening to Patty too much or maybe I'm hearing things but did >anyone catch the very small sample of Patty music on NYPD Blue this past >Tuesday night (12/1)? I could have sworn I heard the first couple seconds of >"Flaming Red" when the show came back from commercials. It's the part of the >song with the yelling right before the music starts. Anyone hear it or should >I get my hearing checked. > You know what, I _swear_ I heard the same thing. Can Patty's management clarify? Cindy Courtney Framingham, MA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:45:37 -0500 From: yourmama13@juno.com (T-Love Halverson) Subject: MM: Re: mad mission hey all whats cookin' hey anthony just wanted to say i love joan armatrading my favorite song of hers is rosie im glad someone else likes her. hope everyone on mad mission list is doing well. i have been thinking about the patti song tony and if anyone knows the background on that song i would like to know especially if you have heard patti talk about the song. i went to one of her concertsand she didnt really explain her songs at all i love patti but i would love her even more if she would explain her songs on stage. keepin it real, t-love ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:14:40 -0500 From: "Donna Littell" Subject: MM: Patty's Voice on TV I swear it's Patty vocalizing in the beginning of "Felicity". Does anyone know if it's her? Donna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:28:44 -0800 (PST) From: Pretty Silver Grrrl Subject: Re: MM: Patty's Voice on TV Hmm..I think I would noticed if it were Patty..I watch felicity every week..I know that they use an instrumental of madonna's the power of goodbye right before they go on commercial..let me go listen to it on my tape and come back and tell ya what I think.. *HUGS* lamia - ---Donna Littell wrote: > > I swear it's Patty vocalizing in the beginning of "Felicity". Does anyone > know if it's her? > > Donna > > == "How can I help it if I think you're Amy Ray when you're bitter..??" - --Jilly in her barenaked ladies parody Phil: "I didn't know she could fly!" Lil: "It's because she's a witch!" - --Phil & Lil on Angelica~~The Rugrats Movie _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:37:05 -0800 (PST) From: Pretty Silver Grrrl Subject: Re(2): MM: Patty's Voice on TV Ok I had my sister Lel come and listen to it too cuz she's forever takin my Patty cds. We both think it sounds kinda like her at the beginning, but at the end it doesn't sound much like her. We don't think it's her. Lel says: she doesn't do anything Patty-like like she would if it were her. So that's our opinion.. *HUGS* Lamia - ---Donna Littell wrote: > > I swear it's Patty vocalizing in the beginning of "Felicity". Does anyone > know if it's her? > > Donna > > == "How can I help it if I think you're Amy Ray when you're bitter..??" - --Jilly in her barenaked ladies parody Phil: "I didn't know she could fly!" Lil: "It's because she's a witch!" - --Phil & Lil on Angelica~~The Rugrats Movie _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:25:13 -0600 From: HAW3065@ACS.TAMU.EDU Subject: MM: bad review, what were they thinking??? I found this review of Flaming Red and thought, huh?? Read and weep =( The greatest strength of the 1998 release from Patty Griffin, "Flaming Red," is also its greatest weakness. The fact of the matter is that there is little that was left to chance on this disc; there is no hint of improvisation or spontaneity anywhere. Every song was clearly built with radio in mind. And that means that some songs sound more than a little like Sara McLachlan, the Sundays, Natalie Merchant, and Sheryl Crow. A lot of music fans will like that. If you're looking for something for a fan of those women artists and already own most of their catalogs, Patty Griffin's CD will be a nice surprise for them. I would play the countrified ballad "Goodbye" on a radio show or add it to a mixed tape, so there are a few interesting things here. But the truth be told, this record is over-produced, too calculated, and not particularly original sounding. These songs are made for the Alice radio chain perhaps. If Griffin sat down and played these tracks alone with an acoustic guitar, however, I bet they would smoke. She can sing and she can write. But all those electric guitars and synthesizers cover up what could be. Instead we get just another product of the music industry cookie-cutter pop factory. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:38:00 PST From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: pimento cheese gives me gas wow! I was like TOTALLY dreading coming back from my 3-week vacation scared to death of millions of emails, but only 83. Cool! A couple of things of Patty Griffin related.... I actually found a CD store selling Flaming Red. So I got it now. Dye-no-mite, baybee. I absolutely LOVE "Flaming Red" cuz, you know, I'm into anything sounding remotely punk. And the whole album is killer. Way to go Ms. Griffin. ;) Oh, and not to mention (although I think someone might have a while ago) that THE MAN Kenny Aronoff is playing drums for her. I've learned many a technique from good old Kenny Aronoff from his Modern Drummer Articles. Having drummed for many a famous artist (and now for Patty Griffin)He totally wails...one of the most underated drummer of our time (as John Madden might say during an unscheduled time out). As I ALWAYS like to play the devil's advocate...hee hee hee...I would have to disagree with whomever thought "Big Daddy" was the best. To tell the truth (hey, that was an old old TV show) I thought that was the only song that didn't belong. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes but, Ms. Griffin is not really singing that much, it's short, it's weird, someone named Jay Joyce co-wrote it. But that's my opinion, and just think that this opinion comes from some dumb guy down in Pensacola Florida who actually cries everytime he listens to "Peter Pan" (I guess I jus don wanna grow up.) ;P One thing I have to say about "Peter Pan" though that irritates the fu.....irritates the sh.....irritates the crap out of me is that first snare drumroll to that damn splash cymbal. God Kenny, you'd think you'd have a little more finesse to end the drumroll with a heavier cymbal so it resonates deeper and better than a plain "bshhh." Or even use mallets. But listen to me, getting all excited about a cymbal. I really have to say an odd thing at about now...so I will. I really like "Go Now" cuz the music totally puts me in the Tom Waits mood. The feel is EVERYTHING the talented Mr. Waits would put in a song...except of course, the actual singing part, but THAT's another story. The thing that gets me is why at the very end of that particular song does Ms. Griffin say "Oh man that f**kin kills me."??? ONE MORE FOR THE ROAD.... :) ******On a happy note and TOTALLY PATTY GRIFFIN RELATED""""""" Because of the enormous responses I've gotten regarding which Patty Griffin song to use on my TV show (try like NONE people, I have received NO responses, but that's okay :P) I've chosen the first 40 seconds of "One Big Love" since it is appealing to a wide audience, and I repeatedly talk about festivals going on at the beaches. And since there is ALWAYS something going on at the beaches, "let's take a ride to the seaside.." is rather fitting. Don't you think? And especially the "don't forget the lawn chair" part to all the older ones. So, starting next week, Ms. Griffin's song will be on Gulf Coast Network every Thursday night at around 8:29 (that's Central Time). But none of y'all will see it since it is only in this area. However, Thirty thousand homes will see it, and steadily rising (the population growth here is like exponential...beautiful beaches, cheap land)So now I've done my part, though it's not nearly as phat as nominating her for a Grammy or anything. Oh, and the beginning of my show (around 8:01)will have music from Turkey Mallet, the first 40 seconds of one of their songs, in case any one is interested. GAWD, I had to actually BUY Flaming Red, I MISS being part of college radio. Now I actually have to listen to the *UGGHH* top 40 stations to hear the latest sounds. How revolting. :P Peace, Love, and Vegetable Rights. paul ********************************************** * If you want to sacrifice the admiration * * of many men for the criticism of one, * * go ahead, get married. * * --Katherine Hepburn * ********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:40:26 -0600 From: HAW3065@ACS.TAMU.EDU Subject: MM: review of Patty, and a ? @ Melissa Ferrick Hey, that review came from The Ultimate Band List site ubl.com, by someone or something called da flower punk, whatever?? Anyway, I recently have been thinking that the more and more I listen to Flaming Red, the more beautiful it seems. I still love Ghosts, but this album is just so fun, so sing in your car so loud that people start to stare, fun. That's just me!! Anyway, is anyone going to be taping the lightning 100 show Sunday night? If so, I would love a copy. Um, any Mele got the 1995 one with Cracker Jack Kid. Let me know what you think. I am an internet nerd at home tonight trying to find a job, b/c I graduate in 2 weeks. Any offers are welcome =) Sorry for getting off the PG subject. Have a great weekend all!! Heather ~*~ to get. I'vs got the 1995 one, don't recall the name right now. So, any fans, ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:00:03 -0500 From: "Candice Crawford" Subject: MM: Re: bad review, what were they thinking??? Ok who ever wrote this doesn't know squat about music. Just because Patty is female and plays guitar and sings all of a sudden people like Sarah McLachlan are her role models. Why is it that there can only be a hand full of successful female artist before critiques start proclaiming that every female artist goal is to sound like who ever is most famous at the time. The ironic thing is that Sarah has been around for a long time and I've liked her before most critiques even gave her a second thought. They probably incessantly compared here to someone else. It just really pisses me off when critiques do that. If the critiques would take a minute and stop crapping on all of the up and comers they would note the degree of talent that Patty and other new artist have. But that kind of recognition doesn't come until after you've sold a million copies so. . . . . Candice@100%>>>>>>>>>>>core - -----Original Message----- From: HAW3065@ACS.TAMU.EDU To: MAD-MISSION@smoe.org Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 11:33 PM Subject: MM: bad review, what were they thinking??? >I found this review of Flaming Red and thought, huh?? Read and weep =( > >The greatest strength of > the 1998 release from > Patty Griffin, "Flaming > Red," is also its greatest > weakness. The fact of the > matter is that there is little > that was left to chance on > this disc; there is no hint > of improvisation or > spontaneity anywhere. > Every song was clearly > built with radio in mind. And that means that some songs > sound more than a little like Sara McLachlan, the > Sundays, Natalie Merchant, and Sheryl Crow. > > A lot of music fans will like that. If you're looking >for > something for a fan of those women artists and already > own most of their catalogs, Patty Griffin's CD will be a > nice surprise for them. I would play the countrified >ballad > "Goodbye" on a radio show or add it to a mixed tape, so > there are a few interesting things here. > > But the truth be told, this record is over-produced, too > calculated, and not particularly original sounding. >These > songs are made for the Alice radio chain perhaps. > > If Griffin sat down and played these tracks alone with >an > acoustic guitar, however, I bet they would smoke. She > can sing and she can write. But all those electric >guitars > and synthesizers cover up what could be. Instead we get > just another product of the music industry cookie-cutter > pop factory. > ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #370 *********************************