From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #320 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Sunday, October 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: FREAKS [JohnRN24@aol.com] Re: MM: T-Shirts [JohnRN24@aol.com] MM: Welcome [JessBartn@aol.com] MM: Bowery Ballroom follow-up [Rongrittz@aol.com] MM: Out on a limb? [Rongrittz@aol.com] MM: beernuts ["Paul Russell" ] MM: Re: MM activity [Jeff Dunnam ] Re: MM: Out on a limb? [JohnRN24@aol.com] MM: Quoting...... [diamondmask@juno.com] MM: about those shirts [Boy1der2u@aol.com] Re: MM: Priests, wriggly fingers, and loud music. ["SummerQ" ] Re: MM: New Member [JohnRN24@aol.com] RE: MM: FREAKS [Pretty Silver Grrrl ] MM: discussion [JohnRN24@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:05:22 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: FREAKS In a message dated 98-10-23 16:35:09 EDT, bean@neu.edu writes: > FREAKS!!??? Whenever *I* discuss t-shirts, sexual repression and > molestation are the first things to come to my mind. Doesn't everyone > think this way? > > Elain I'm with you sister! :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 03:14:57 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: T-Shirts Okay, so are the shirts gonna say "sign me up" or are they gonna have some sort of molestation reference, because they very well can't have both, that would be sick." "Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm schizophrenic, and so am I" - -anonymous Love, :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:31:38 EDT From: JessBartn@aol.com Subject: MM: Welcome In a message dated 10/23/98 4:02:30 PM Central Daylight Time, mikeg@nscedu.com writes: << I must admit that the molestation of t-shirts is matter which can no longer be ingnored, even by those as sexually repressed as myself. letting my Freak-flag fly, ~ mike >> ROFL!!! Welcome Mike ;) Hey guys, I like the idea of white or black shirts, with a picture. I'll whisper in Mike Bakers ear this friday about all your great idea's. »§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«. Jess, .Another Patty Enthusiast .»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:11:03 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: MM: Bowery Ballroom follow-up >> Did anyone besides me catch the show last night? I'm interested to know what you thought. I liked Iodine. They reminded me of Bowie. Catchy melodies. << I dunno . . . I gotta tell ya that I thought BOTH opening acts sucked. Particularly Iodine, and especially their bass player with his ridiculous mid-80's punk band pose. I saw PG at the same venue a couple of months ago also, I can't believe the loud, no-talent bands she's using to open for her. It would be great if she took a page from, oh, Shawn Colvin and look around for opening acts as good as the one Shawn used to use. And by that, I mean Patty. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:06:57 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: MM: Out on a limb? >> I respectfully submit that Patty intentionally went out on the limb with that record, and I think she did a great job of including something for everyone... It includes everything from punk, to rock to country... My 65-year-old-MOM even liked it... It is much more polished than LWG, but we all need to keep in mind that LWG was a demo. Patty NEVER even intended for it to be released to the public. << Interesting . . . and while factually you're correct about the background of "LWG," I have to totally disagree with the part about going "out on the limb." Seems to me that "Flaming Red" was the absolute SAFE record to make, at least in today's music industry. It's a basic rock and roll record that we would never heard of, and wouldn't have given a rat's ass about, and would have been looked at as just another Fiona Apple/Meredith Brooks/Alanis Morissette clone, if Patty REALLY hadn't gone out on a limb with "Living With Ghosts." THAT'S the CD that took a chance: when's the last time you heard an album with its lyrical intensity, musical power and gut-wrenching emotion WITH JUST A VOICE AND ACOUSTIC GUITAR? Bottom line, IMHO, is that there's a middle ground she could have taken between the two CDs. This does not, however, take away from the fact that BOTH of her albums are in my all time top twenty, and even now, months after its release, "Flaming Red" is never far from my CD player. And finally: red shirt, yellow type. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:18:41 PDT From: "Paul Russell" Subject: MM: beernuts Hey, what's wrong with "mid-80's punk band poses????" The 80's were only the best decade we've ever had, and if someone wants to imitate anything from that awesome greedy, shallow 10 years then that's fine with me. I'm a capitalist pig and proud of it. But anyway, shirts: I'd like them grey (like outmeal grey,not that solild gray) pix or no pix, I don't care. Mad Mission on front Sign me up on back no mention of molestations of any kind anywhere. And maybe like PG on one of the sleeves or something. or wait, how about like Patty Griffin on the back, followed underneath it with Sign me up? Just remember the more colors you use the more it's gonna cost. Actually, the capitalist pig thing isn't quite true. I'm really an anarchist, but the next best thing would be capitalism. So since I can't revel in anarchy (because of all that LEGAL stuff like LAWS and GOVERNMENT), I revel in helping myself make money. So, I gues I'll just have to wait until the governments of the world crumble before I'll start practicing anarchy (such a beautiful way of life, IMHO). Oh, does Ms. Griffin have any instrumentals? I'm kinda partial to using an instrumental for the ending of my show. One more thing, could we try not to mention sex or religion again? The day before I just finished getting my INBOX in order with like only three saved messages, then the next day BAM, 45 new messages. It's a good thing I had a chance to check it cuz I usually only do that once a week, and I would be going nuts finding 240 some messages on my account. Well, gotta go. I need to think up a new signature quote. Besides, I'm straying from topic, and I do that all the time, and I hate when I do that.Oh, and yeah, I'm a freak. I mean, come on, I listen to 80's music. How freakish is that? peace, love, and vegetable rights. paul ***************************************************** * How do you know if it's art? If I can do it, * * it's not art. Example, fingerpainting...not art. * * --Red Green * ***************************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:14:25 -0500 From: Jeff Dunnam Subject: MM: Re: MM activity My thoughts exactly Vickie! :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:00:43 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Out on a limb? Why does it seem that Patty never imagined those songs (LWG) to be released, yet they were the very heart of her. Now that everyone and their brother are listening, she has become quite "pop". Her lyrics still have heart, but who on this list has ever questioned LWG with the intensity that they do "Red"? Just a thought. :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:14:02 -0700 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: Quoting...... Mike.... >It's really best to only quote what is necessary to support your point, and >then delete the rest of the post you are replying to. It makes your post >more effective :-) Thank you, thank you, thank you..... john in sumner wa ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:17:59 EDT From: Boy1der2u@aol.com Subject: MM: about those shirts hey, im charlie.... id be interested in the whole shirt idea too.... i think that maybe maybe you should go with red (even though i look gross in red) with the yellow lettering like the other guy said...and since flaming red, as im all sure you will agree on, would be the most liked cd by her from the general public...i think perhaps the front should say flaming red...and the back say "its a mad mission...sign me up" that way we are recognized as "the mad missioners" and we still promote her "coolest" cd.....and then of course put her name on one or both of the cds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:40:43 GMT-0600 From: "SummerQ" Subject: Re: MM: Priests, wriggly fingers, and loud music. john wrote... > Sorry Patti, to me, you're at your best, and most honest > when you have just that 4 inches of soundbox between your > stomach and us. I like much LWG better too (although FR is good also). However, if Patti doesn't want to make herself that vulnerable to people she doesn't know, that's absolutely her right and *perfectly* understandable. To open yourself up like that to complete strangers takes a whole lot more courage, and (depending on how vulnerable you really are) stupidity, than most people possess. Including me. simply imho. Summer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:18:28 -0400 From: "Donna Littell" Subject: MM: New Member Hi all. I recently joined the list (soon after I saw Patty at the Keswick on 10/15). I am certain I may be the "grandmother" of this group, but nonetheless, I am a huge fan. I grew up listening to Joni Mitchell and have always been drawn to female singer songwriters. Nobody has excited me as much as Patty in a long time. I am very fortunate to have a radio station that plays her music since LWG. How did everyone else discover her? There are many great lines in her songs. They swirl in my head at different times during the day. One of my favorite on Flaming Red is her description in Goodbye - "My heart is big and sore. It's trying to push right through my skin." I am looking forward to learning more about Patty and hearing your opinions. Donna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:10:15 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: New Member Welcome Donna.... that Patty quote made me weep when I first heard it. (live and pre-band) I also enjoy Joni Mitchell ("Little Green" is my fav!) I 1st heard Patty open for Dog's Eye View, who opened for Tori Amos (I follow opening acts) One of the main reasons I decided to get Patty's album the next day was that... after she got off stage, my friend went over and asked for her autograph. She tore a poster from the wall, signed it, and bought him a beer... and they talked. FINALLY! An artist that is human! I guess the popularity is hard for me to take now after once so humble a meeting, but she remains Patty: ever soulful and sweet. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Pretty Silver Grrrl Subject: RE: MM: FREAKS Yep, with special guest Jerry Springer *L* *HUGS* Lamia - ---"Paquin, John" wrote: > > Will Patty be playing at the upcoming "Freak Priests Molested by T-Shirt > Wearing Red Flamers" benefit show and weenie roast this weekend in > Syracuse? > > Just wondering. > > -john > > == "Love demands expression. I will not stay still, stay silent, Be good, be modest, be seen and not heard, NO!... A precise emotion seeks a precise expression. If what I feel is not precise then should I call it love?" - --Jeanette Winterson, Writen on the Body _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:15:55 EDT From: JohnRN24@aol.com Subject: MM: discussion Not that we are starving for topics of discussion, but I was wondering about everyone's favorite Patty song and their favorite Patty quote. here's mine: Song: Nobody's Crying (Wishing Well) Quote: "You're covered in treetops...covered in birds, who can sing a million songs without any words." ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #320 *********************************