From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #256 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, August 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Music ["Perlman, Judith" ] Re: MM: Music ["C. Soudah" ] MM: Music for Depressives [Rick.Snow@medaphis.com (Snow, Rick)] Re: MM: Music [lgrady@lnmta.bentley.edu] MM: Music [james.pfeiffer@us.pwcglobal.com] MM: down music [Cre8beauty@aol.com] MM: RE: down music [Mark Cicero ] MM: Re: Music ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: MM: Music [minou ] MM: Depressive Music ["Allan M. Ayres" ] MM: Down Music [Paul Mays ] Re: MM: Music [Elaine Bean ] MM: Cre8beauty's questions ["Perlman, Judith" ] Re: MM: Music [JessBartn@aol.com] MM: Christian Artist ["C. Soudah" ] MM: Christian or not? [JessBartn@aol.com] MM: RE: Christian Artist [Tim Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:33:02 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Music I am curious to know what music people listen to when they're down. I know I'm making an assumption here, but it's not too great a leap to think that people who really really appreciate LWG have experienced that feeling. Hope this doesn't offend anyone. Judy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:38:03 -0800 From: "C. Soudah" Subject: Re: MM: Music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am curious to know what music people listen to when they're down. I know I'm making an assumption here, but it's not too great a leap to think that people who really really appreciate LWG have experienced that feeling. Hope this doesn't offend anyone. Judy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's true LWG is a good mood album for those slump days. But, I also listen to it when I'm happy. I find it musically uplifting, ironically, although the lyrics may not be describes as so. Other "sad" music I also listen to include Dave Matthews "Under the Table & Dreaming", the Subdudes, Toad the Wet Sprocket (especially these days, *sigh*), and the Indigo Girls. Some of those bring me out of a mood, others let me brew in it for awhile..... Anyone else? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:20:30 -0400 From: Rick.Snow@medaphis.com (Snow, Rick) Subject: MM: Music for Depressives Well, if it's just a little bit depressed and I want to enjoy it, Patricia Barber--A Distortion of Love. If it's a decent moderate depression and I can't decide if I'm enjoying it or not, Leonard Cohen--Live Songs. If I'm really depressed and I can barely muster the energy and interest to put a disc in the changer, then it has to be either The Golden Palominos--This Is How It Feels or Bob Mould--Black Sheets of Rain. At which point, I stay away from all sharp objects. Whew, that was cathartic. Rick (now where did I put the St. John's Wort....) ---------- From: Perlman, Judith[SMTP:PerlmanJ@UJAFEDNY.ORG] Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 1:34 PM To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: MM: Music I am curious to know what music people listen to when they're down. I know I'm making an assumption here, but it's not too great a leap to think that people who really really appreciate LWG have experienced that feeling. Hope this doesn't offend anyone. Judy ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from medaphis.com by corpmail.medaphis.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.2 for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Aug31.133428.1196.84678; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:34:28 -0400 Received: from siren.shore.net by medaphis.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA07223 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:34:06 -0400 Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0zDXq4-00058x-00; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:34:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id NAA25953; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:33:44 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id NAA25944 for mad-mission-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id NAA25940 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.162.123.2] (helo=vesper.ujafedny.com.inter.net) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for mad-mission@smoe.org id 0zDXpB-0002Nz-00; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:33:06 -0400 Received: by VESPER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:33:06 -0400 Message-ID: <6D77E2CE511ED1118B3100805FFE89C9023A5168@YENTA> From: "Perlman, Judith" To: "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" Subject: MM: Music Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:33:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:27:34 -0400 From: lgrady@lnmta.bentley.edu Subject: Re: MM: Music Hmm...LWG is often a low -day music, but is also for contented periods... Other low-day music suggestions.... Dead can Dance - just about anything! ( especially Toward the Within) Richard Shindell - Reunion Hill Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Sessions ("i'm so lonesome, I could cry....." Old The Cure - especially 'Pictures of you" I have a CD by a Bulgarian Woman's Choir singing traditional music - haunting and wailing... Tori - Little Earthquakes Apparently, my low day music is relationship oriented! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:35:36 -0500 From: james.pfeiffer@us.pwcglobal.com Subject: MM: Music Hello all... my first posting is a result of two recent comments: 1) Jess says Patty rocked Chicago... imagine my consternation upon reading his note last night. I live 3 blocks from Schuba's and was unaware of the concert! Does anyone know where to find a listing of small concerts Patty is playing (especially if she'll be back in the midwest). Other 'net sites seem to limit themselves to concerts at bigger venues. 2) Judy was curious about music people listen to when they're down. I recommend David Wilcox... he's a "folk" guitarist and a true poet. (Be warned that he's often quite spiritual if you're likely to be turned off by that sort of thing.) pax, JP - ---------------------- Forwarded by James Pfeiffer/MCS/Price Waterhouse on 08/31/98 01:25 PM --------------------------- "Perlman, Judith" on 08/31/98 12:33:02 PM To: "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" cc: Subject: MM: Music I am curious to know what music people listen to when they're down. I know I'm making an assumption here, but it's not too great a leap to think that people who really really appreciate LWG have experienced that feeling. Hope this doesn't offend anyone. Judy - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:05:21 EDT From: Cre8beauty@aol.com Subject: MM: down music when i am down i have always (since i was 12 at least) turned to the ozzy years of black sabbath, especially the paranoid and sabbotage albums...also i like to throw on either tchaikovsky's 1812 overture or marche slave or rage against the machine's song "killing in the name of"...also perhaps some henry rollins spoken word material helps... a question occured to me...i noticed someone mentioned david wilcox's spirituality in his music...i have never really quite figured out if he is being spiritually christian or just spiritual...same goes for patty...when i first heard LWG i wasn't sure if she was even perhaps a christian artist cleverly disguised (like jars of clay)...anyone care to comment? a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:24:27 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: RE: down music Now I'm gonna date myself: When I need a lift I put on the following: Pre 1970 Frank Zappa, especially the Live at the Filmore recording with Flo and Eddie doing the vocals (I suspect that more than a fair share of list members are saying, "Who is Frank Zappa" ??) "Something/Anythng" by Todd Rundgren "Ziggy Stardust" by Bowie "Electic Ladyland" by Jimi Hendrix "Abandoned Lunchenette" by Hall & Oats If you haven't gotten the picture these are all recordings that bring me back to a simpler time in my life when I was in my teens and twenties when the only thing I had to worry about was whether or not I .................... (use your imagination);-) Regards, Mark Nashville,TN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:37 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: MM: Re: Music >> Perlman, Judith writes: >I am curious to know what music people listen to when they're down. >I know I'm making an assumption here, but it's not too great a leap to >think that people who really really appreciate LWG have experienced that >feeling. It sort of depends on the mood - do I want to wallow in it, or psych myself out of it? If it's the first, Living With Ghosts always works... anything by Suzy Bogguss or Patty Loveless, Sara Evans (3 Chords & The Truth); Tori Amos (Little Earthquakes), Fiona Apple (Tidal); Counting Crows (August & Everything After); Chris Isaak; Mazzy Star, Natalie Merchant, Heather Nova, Hank Williams, James Taylor... But, if I'm trying to get myself *out* of it, then Rage Against the Machine, Sublime, Squirrel Nut Zippers, Beastie Boys, Cypress Hill, Bad Religion, Ben Folds Five... any of those generally do the trick. :) - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Sometimes I sing like my life is at stake, 'cause you're only as loud as the noises you make..." ---(Ani DiFranco)--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:39:24 -0600 From: minou Subject: Re: MM: Music Perlman, Judith wrote: > I am curious to know what music people listen to when they're down. what *don't* i listen to would be an easier question. my favourite music is that desperately sad and tragic stuff. it's funny, because i'm a rather happy person. Tori Amos writes a good sad song or five, as does Jann Arden, Ron Sexsmith (Child Star is the saddest song in the entire world, i swear), Jeff Buckley does melancholy so well, Lyle Lovett, k.d. lang... if i'm an angry girl, P.J. Harvey and Juliana Hatfield. Mark wrote: "Pre 1970 Frank Zappa, especially the Live at the Filmore recording with Flo and Eddie doing the vocals (I suspect that more than a fair share of list members are saying, "Who is Frank Zappa" ??)" are you serious? why wouldn't we know who Frank Zappa is? at least by association, people know who his children are. Dweezil's a decent musician himself. and cute. dulcie - -- ._ _ _ <_>._ _ ___ _ _ | ' ' || || ' |/ . \| | | |_|_|_||_||_|_|\___/`___| dmeather@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca www.ualberta.ca/~dmeather/ - -- kiss me, please kiss me kiss me out of desire, baby, not consolation. - jeff buckley - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:58:55 -0700 From: "Allan M. Ayres" Subject: MM: Depressive Music Definitely LWG. Also: The Devlins, an Irish band with two excellent albums. The newer one is Waiting, and it's even a tad more downbeat than the first one (Drift). Peter Mulvey, _Deep Blue_. Pretty dark, with an undercurrent of suppressed rage. The soundtrack to the art-house film _High Art_. The movie was exquisitely bleak, and the soundtrack captures this mood. Most of the record is by the band Shudder to Think, although I've hated both of the other albums I've heard from them. A tape of a Shawn Colvin solo radio broadcast from last year. Most of what she played was from A Few Small Repairs, and without the pop-ness of that record the songs are thoroughly melancholy -- in fact, she jokes with the studio audience about this. Jeff Buckley, sometimes. Assorted depressive songs from the San Francisco band Box Set. - --Allan ~~~~~~~~ Allan M. Ayres emdash@creative.net http://www.stanford.edu/~ayres ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:27:06 -0400 From: Paul Mays Subject: MM: Down Music The Ghost Of Tom Joad-Bruce Springsteen I listen to this when I want to STAY depressed. But when I want to be miseable and still laugh then it's ANYthing of Warren Zevon's. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:58:38 -0700 From: Elaine Bean Subject: Re: MM: Music > I am curious to know what music people listen to when they're down. > Anyone else? - ------------------------------- When I'm in a mood, I like to listen to a wide range - from the blunt, in your face, f***.y**. lyrics of Ani or Marianne Faithful to Dar, Patty, Jackson, to Nanci Griffith . . . All thought provoking, insightful lyricists - their words seem to reflect my very own feelings and reaactions to certain situations - and can bring me out of a mood or let me stew in my mood for a while. Stewing is good sometimes. You need to stew a little bit. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:38:08 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Cre8beauty's questions I think that David Wilcox is a Christian artist, judging by a song I heard on his "Turning Point" CD in which he sings something like "If you haven't died by 33..." If that isn't a clear enough reference, he spells it out with some reference to Jesus dying at 33. Steve, what do you think? This does turn me off. As for Patty, I would say she is not a disguised Christian artist, based on several things. "Wiggley Fingers" is mocking of Catholic doctrine that condemns masturbation. She has said twice that I've heard that "Mary" is about her grandmother and NOT the Virgin Mary. And if you heard her interview with Vin Scelsa, she pretty much made it clear that she is NOT a Christian artist. My opinion. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:18:39 EDT From: JessBartn@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Music In a message dated 8/31/98 12:34:11 PM Central Daylight Time, PerlmanJ@UJAFEDNY.ORG writes: << I am curious to know what music people listen to when they're down. >> Lori Carson is a good one for a bummed out mood, so is Beth Orton, Fiona Apple and Natalie Merchants new one. Ciao! Jess~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:16:52 -0800 From: "C. Soudah" Subject: MM: Christian Artist I never thought of David W. as a Christian artist. Yes, I would say his music is spiritual as it is emotional and personal, but he writes about all sorts of things in his songs: love relationships, familial relationships, humorous tales etc. what is a Christian artist anyway? Someone totally dedicated to writing and singing about religion, spirituality, and Christianity, in particular? Wouldn't think to put D.W. in that category. Just me. Patty, I don't think is even more. I sense she at times mocks religion, but I think (and I don't know for sure) that she might have been raised with religion and a lot of preaching, as many of us may have, and of course this would come through in her music as love, relationships, and other emotional experiences do in her first and second album. carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:30:47 EDT From: JessBartn@aol.com Subject: MM: Christian or not? In a message dated 8/31/98 2:08:27 PM Central Daylight Time, Cre8beauty@aol.com writes: << when i first heard LWG i wasn't sure if she was even perhaps a christian artist cleverly disguised (like jars of clay)...anyone care to comment? >> I wouldn't think Patty was a christian artist, not after hearing some of the lyrics in wiggly fingers...however she does mention Jesus in "Mary" which gives you the impression that she was raised with a religious background. The cynicism in wiggly fingers reminds me of Tori Amos' music...seems a lot of us "catholic school of guilt" girls have a negative opinion of the hypocrisy we were taught growing up. Can anyone else relate? Jess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:28:18 -0600 From: Tim Blackburn Subject: MM: RE: Christian Artist I can't even believe for one minuite that patty is a christian artist because basically of the song tony. she must have had a very rough childhood. I also believe that she was raised a christian and must have rebelled or something. her lyrics are to strong to be christian. just my oppionion. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Soudah [SMTP:csoudah@calstatela.edu] > Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 5:17 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Christian Artist > > > > I never thought of David W. as a Christian artist. Yes, I would say his > music is spiritual as it is emotional and personal, but he writes about > all sorts of things in his songs: love relationships, familial > relationships, humorous tales etc. > > what is a Christian artist anyway? Someone totally dedicated to writing > and singing about religion, spirituality, and Christianity, in > particular? Wouldn't think to put D.W. in that category. Just me. > > Patty, I don't think is even more. I sense she at times mocks religion, > but I think (and I don't know for sure) that she might have been raised > with religion and a lot of preaching, as many of us may have, and of > course this would come through in her music as love, relationships, and > other emotional experiences do in her first and second album. > > carol ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #256 *********************************