From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #252 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, August 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 252 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #251 [LeShawnte@aol.com] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #251 [Charl Kroeger ] MM: Management ["Paquin, John" ] MM: Patty's Management [Lisa Gallo ] MM: Re:Which single and best cd [Jeff Dunnam ] MM: thought on FR ["Tara Magdalinski" ] MM: Re: Management [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: PG and Edwin McCain tour ["Scott S. Antall" ] MM: Re: PG and Edwin McCain tour [Donsem@concentric.net] MM: (no subject) [simon ] RE: MM: Re: Management [Robin Hall ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:55:22 EDT From: LeShawnte@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #251 In a message dated 98-08-27 01:35:57 EDT, you write: << Is it just me, or does anyone else think that "One Big Love" >> Just wonderin' if anyone has seen the single for sale, and if so, what the B side is?? Thanks, Shawnte' "Friends and enemies and lovers are at best distant memories and at worst figments of imagination." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:31:24 +0000 From: Charl Kroeger Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #251 The single of OBL that I have has got just 3 different mixes of the song on it (another wasted opportunity to get unplished songs out there!).... and the mixes are not that different from each other which is also a bit of a disappointment. Anyhow, I think that this was just a pre-promo release, like those to radio stations, so maybe the commercial one will be a better selection. If however you want this one, you can order on-line through www.brouhahacd.com , which is where I got mine. $6.99 + $3.00 postage. They are very reliable in my experience, so you shouldn't have a problem getting one if they have it in stock. If anyone is looking for the 4 track sampler from LWG, it is available from www.tunnelrecords.com , although I have been waiting since 8 July to hear anything, so I can't comment on the reliability of that internet mail-order store. As soon as I get my stuff (hopefully) I will send another message to you all to confirm, so you can order confidently. Later... - ---------- > From: LeShawnte@aol.com > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #251 > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:55:22 EDT > >In a message dated 98-08-27 01:35:57 EDT, you write: > ><< Is it just me, or does anyone else think that "One Big Love" >> > >Just wonderin' if anyone has seen the single for sale, and if so, what the B >side is?? > >Thanks, >Shawnte' > >"Friends and enemies and lovers are at best distant memories and at worst >figments of imagination." > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:20:47 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: Management It seems to me like there's a lot of generally bad karma around Patty's tour manners. Shows cancelled, curt responses to fans outside of shows, late, late appearances. Do you guys think this is the fault of her management? Can an artist with amazing talent and true appeal survive when represented by a greed driven, solipsistic entity which views the artist as merely a commodity and not a community? Maybe an artist NEEDS someone with those values to get them past the bullshit and propel them to the top. Or maybe the management is irrelevant. Would U2 have been as popular in the 80's if Idi Amin had been their manager? How about Madonna booked by Mother Theresa? I don't know, that's why I'm asking. - -john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Gallo Subject: MM: Patty's Management Hey, all... In regard to management's ability to affect a performer's public persona - ABSOLUTELY!!! While I don't know if all the stories I've been hearing about Patty's management are true - or if they're just so uninvolved with her public and her fans that they are oblivious to this growing reputation, I have encountered this with other performers. I met Patty a few years ago when I was working retail in Boston and she did an in-store with Billy Mann and Jann Arden. I ran the event, and she was a joy. All three of them were. I don't even remember dealing with any of their management, only a record label rep, and the show was a smash. I also worked their show at the Paradise that night, and they all were so cool, coming to just hang out with us. It was so great! I had the exact opposite experience with an in-store performance by Jewel, another one I ran and was excited about. They were over an hour late, she played a shorter set than agreed upon, and we were told she didn't have time to sign for the 450 people that showed up to hear her. Her management and label reps were totally obnoxious and she threw a little tantrum. She didn't even bother to shake hands or say anything to any of the staff, and she wouldn't talk to any of us directly - all orders and requests came through one of her ridiculously large entourage. I was so disgusted I refused the comp tickets to her show at the Paradise that night, and I've been totally turned off to her ever since. It's like raising a child - you need to lead by example. As much as I would like to think the performer can make their own impressions on the audience, a greater, more lasting impression is made by the larger picture. I hope Patty's management pays attention to all the details that make up that larger picture, or she is the one that is going to suffer. I for one think she is incredibly talented and I would hate to see that happen. Lisa _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:51:47 -0500 From: Jeff Dunnam Subject: MM: Re:Which single and best cd Greetings all, I have been more of a lurker than a contributor to this list. I have, however been following the which single thread and the LWG vs FR thread. I voted for Tony as the 2nd single and perhaps Change as the 3rd. I thought it might be interesting to note that as far as actual radio play here(Houston,TX), Tony was the second song DJs on the Pacifica station played and is now being eclisped by Christina. KPFT is by no means a Top 40 station, but I think the DJs are justing playing what they think will appeal to the most people. As far as the which is better between the 2 albums, I believe it really an apples and oranges deal. You also have to remember that with LWG, she had her whole career to come up with the material there. It's a great cd and I love it, but I can really relate to her having played that material for years and not really being in the same "headspace" now to want to play it. She is just evolving and maturing as any artist must or risk growing stale. I love FR too and think it a very respectable sophmore effort. I agree with the person who compliented everyone on the quality of this list and its civility. And hi to Mimi, a fellow Dog Dreams member. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:09:48 +1000 From: "Tara Magdalinski" Subject: MM: thought on FR Hi all, Sorry to have remained a lurker, but I have remained silent, mostly because until about a week ago, I didn't have a copy of FR - CDs also take a while to get to Australia. Thanks to fellow lister Iain Cole for sending me the CD - it is much appreciated. Anyway, my thoughts on FR and which song should be the next release. I should point out that I have not played this CD as obsessively as the first one, and perhaps I need some time to get used to it - so these are preliminary thoughts, and they may change over time. Overall, I have been quite disappointed by FR. I think the songs in themselves are fabulous - the words etc, they attest to Patty's strength as a brilliant, insightful songwriter, however, the melodies for the most part, are predictable - the thing I loved about LWG is that the songs were original, inventive, distinctive. I find most of the songs on FR come across as nothing different. The main criticism I have of a lot of Top 40 music is that it all sounds fairly much the same - now given what various list members have said about how Top 40 songs are selected, I am now not surprised - I guess the problem for me is that FR doesn't sound particularly different from a myriad of other CDs out there. Some powerful songs (eg Tony) have been ruined by what sounds to me as 1980s synthesised boings! As a result, Tony comes across as quite trite, desite the powerful lyrics. There are of course, some incredible songs - Mary, Wiggly Fingers etc that best showcase Patty's talents. Actually, I recall someone asking whether anyone has a copy of the FR songs in acoustic - I too would be interested in hearing them. I have a couple already. OK - now, I should also explain I am not adverse to hearing Patty with a band - from the moment I first heard her, I've looked forward to seeing her in front of a band, but I just think the music on the CD is wrong - it just doesn't come across like Patty Griffin. Anyway, my vote for the next release would be Wiggly Fingers - I think that is the most distinctive song on the CD and for me, is the one that most screams PATTY - now of course, perhaps it's not the best commercial selection, but I think that the focus on the commerical has produced a CD that could have been more tightly focused and more concerned with producing a consistent strong distinctive image for Patty. So, they are my comments - but give me time, perhaps I'll come around! Cheers, Tara PS - the similarity between the opening of Wiggly Fingers and Foxy Lady did strike me - but all music is about borrowing, blending, incorporating other themes, music from other cultures - at any rate, I am a huge Hendrix fan, so I kind of like the ode to him!!!! ********************************* Dr Tara Magdalinski Lecturer in Sports Studies Arts Faculty Sunshine Coast University Locked Bag 4 Maroochydore South QLD 4558 Australia ph: +61 7 5430 1244 fax: + 61 7 5430 2885 email: magdalinski@scuc.ed.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:28:01 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Management <> I dunno. I've been to shows at The Bowery Ballroom that, yes, came on VERY late. The place is set up primarily as a bar- you get let in the door and for an hour you're restricted to the downstairs bar room. Then they let you upstairs ( where the OTHER bar is) and make you wait at least an hour. Then there's one or two opening acts... I've only heard people complain about the lateness of this show. I'm pretty sure it was due to the Bowery itself, not Patty's management... As for the "curt responses", they don't suprise me. We have to remember that Patty's shy. I've met her after shows a few times (at her solo shows) and while she was sweet and polite, she was never what I'd call outgoing. But she'd sign my things, and take pitures with me, and compliment me on my nailpolish. I thought she was very nice, but she obviously seemed shy to me. I can understand people being upset that she didn't come out to meet fans after shows, but I can also understand why she wouldn't. I understand how it makes people feel unloved by her... but I guess you have to think of her shows as her way of giving herself and her love to her fans. You can't let her shyness make you hate her. Someone posted about Jewel and her management... I used to be a HUGE Jewel fan. I bought everything she was on, bought her double vinyl CD- now I'm sick and tired of her. I hate her public persona, the way she always talks like she's on LSD, the way she ALWAYS tells the same stories, her newfound pretentiousness. BUT... I remember what she was like before she got really big. She was very, very cool. She was great to her fans, would talk and make fun and flirt and compliment... so, I'm sick of her now. I don't bother watching her on TV anymore. Even so, I'll buy her new album because I know that the music, which should be my main attraction to her, will be there. Wow.. I just rambled for nothing. Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:05:15 -0400 From: "Scott S. Antall" Subject: MM: PG and Edwin McCain tour Does this mean that PG has cancelled all dates with Edwin McCain? (Specifically, I am interested in the Charlottesville, VA show) >I just found out today that Patty is no longer the opening act for the >Sept 18th, Edwin McCain show at 328 Performance Hall in Nashville, TN. Scott Antall American Pharmaceutical Association ssa@mail.aphanet.org (202) 429-7507 (800) 237-APhA, ext 7507 (202) 628-0443 fax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:39:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Donsem@concentric.net Subject: MM: Re: PG and Edwin McCain tour Scott S. Antall wrote: > Does this mean that PG has cancelled all dates with Edwin McCain? > (Specifically, I am interested in the Charlottesville, VA show) > > >I just found out today that Patty is no longer the opening act for the > >Sept 18th, Edwin McCain show at 328 Performance Hall in Nashville, TN. Oh, please no. I just saw that date and just subscribed to the list. I was going to confirm the c'vlle date because they're spelling it Patti. That show is the next day (9/19). Maybe she cancelled Nashville show she could visit Monticello. :-) So, I'm a new list member. Originally from Illinois. A friend kept telling me to buy LwG and I did and I love it. don - -- And where does magic come from? I think magic's in the learning. 'Cause now when Christians sit with Pagans, only pumpkin pies are burning. -- The Christians and the Pagans, Dar Williams Don Semmens; Richmond, VA; donsem@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:27:32 +0800 From: simon Subject: MM: (no subject) Hi, Can anyone tell me the song "U R not alone" in the soundtrack "Niagara Niagara" the same as "not alone" in "Living with ghosts"? Simon ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 98 16:43:07 -0800 From: Robin Hall Subject: RE: MM: Re: Management CornflkGl wrote: lf, not I >can understand people being upset that she didn't come out to meet fans after >shows, but I can also understand why she wouldn't. I understand how it makes >people feel unloved by her... but I guess you have to think of her shows as >her way of giving herself and her love to her fans. You can't let her shyness >make you hate her. > I saw Patty several times out here in California. Both times that it was her show (ie, The Troubador and in Santa Barbra) she came out and very patiently signed stuff and chatted with people. At the House of Blues in LA and at the Fillmore in San Francisco, where she was the opening act, she did not come out. Which makes sense, d'un it? It would kinda upstage the headliner if she was off to the side signing autographs during their set. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #252 *********************************