From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #251 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 251 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: (no subject) [simon ] MM: the single [Calleva110@aol.com] MM: WF = JH? [Rich Church ] MM: RE: WF = JH? [Mark Cicero ] Re: MM: RE: Various [Cre8beauty@aol.com] MM: Late start/Bowery ["Perlman, Judith" ] MM: Interview Magazine ["Perlman, Judith" ] MM: Patty Cancel's her Sept. 18th Nashville, TN show (again) [Mark Cicero] Re: MM: the single [Huricane74@aol.com] MM: Re: Late start/Bowery [Charl Kroeger ] [none] ["C. Soudah" ] MM: Next single from FR [Adrienne Barbee ] MM: Next singles.. [Eric ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:34:45 +0800 From: simon Subject: MM: (no subject) Hi! Does anyone know if there is a double CDs edition of Living with Ghosts? Best Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:11:30 EDT From: Calleva110@aol.com Subject: MM: the single Is it just me, or does anyone else think that "One Big Love" should NOT be the first single released to top 40 stations? (if patty must indeed go Top 40. The woman does deserve to get rich off that talent, though.) I'd go with the title track, or "Change". agree or disagree? what would be your first release, if you could choose? (i only recently joined this mailing list so you all might have discussed this already, but i am curious.) - --danielle. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:40:44 +0000 From: Rich Church Subject: MM: WF = JH? Does it bother anybody else out there how much the beginning of Wiggly Fingers sounds like a copied rip-off of Jimi Hendrix's Foxy Lady? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:28:37 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: RE: WF = JH? No, it doesn't bother me a bit. I think it's clever and the women with the red shoes is definitely a "Foxy Lady"!!!! Regards, Mark Nashville,TN - -----Original Message----- From: "churchr@ post.uwstout.edu" @SMTP (Rich Church ) Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 5:40 AM To: mad-mission@ smoe.org@SMTP Subject: MM: WF = JH? *** TFS Evaluation Copy of module : Novell GroupWise *** Does it bother anybody else out there how much the beginning of Wiggly Fingers sounds like a copied rip-off of Jimi Hendrix's Foxy Lady? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:17:27 EDT From: Cre8beauty@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: Various << lain, it's "A day in the life" a lennon song on SPLHCB, the very last song on << the album. Great song, great album! << dan just a note about "a day in the life"...the song is not actually only a john lennon song...it is actually considered the best example of the lennon/mccartney co-writing style...john came up with the beginning, paul actually cam up with the "i'd love to turn you on" part, and paul's main part of the song is the "woke up, got out of bed" break up until the "i fell into a dream" where john's part picks up again...john's and paul's individual lyrics are the quintessence of their writing styles, john writing in a very surreal manner, talking about holes filling albert hall and the like, whereas paul, as he has done in the past in songs like penny lane and getting better kept his lyrics to a very workaday, matter of fact style...that's all :) a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:59:28 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Late start/Bowery I was at the Bowery show. I almost never go to clubs (the last time was in Feb. to see Patty), so I had no idea what to expect or how big the place was. The ticket said 8 p.m.; it did not list any other groups. I called in the afternoon to find out more and of course only got a recording telling me to call the TIX charge #. So, I got there 7:10. Doors opened a little after 8 and I was one of the few lucky people who got a seat. There was NO MC, and NO announcement. So you had no idea of what was going on. After 9 I went to the bar and asked the bartendress what was happening. She said nothing started till after 9. Fine. At about 9:15 some guy wanders out on stage. Starts singing. Just him, a guitar and a cellist. He was painfully bad. Finally, thank God, he stops and wanders off. I have to say the crowd was amazingly good-humored and polite. Then there's a break for 45 minutes while they rearrange the stage. Or something. I'm no expert, but if this guy was just up there with a guitar and a cellist and they didn't touch any of the instruments, why did it take 45 minutes to "change" the set? The next band was better, but clearly every one was there to see Patty. Ok, one opening act is fine, but two? Why have the headliner in a midweek show go on at 11:15 p.m.? Luckily, I took off from work that week, but what about other people who work? And, it definitely tries people's patience and tolerance. If the club does feel the need to do that, then they should indicate it on the ticket (at least that there will be other acts so you can deduce the rest), and/or have a recording that says so, preferably a human to answer the phone. And they should have some kind of MC or announcement to let people know what's going on. It's only courtesy. Especially for people who are not familiar with the club scene. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:08:16 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Interview Magazine "Wiggley Fingers" is about a sexually repressed priest? I don't think so. I mean, his school (seminary?)would send him home with a note to his father? Or am I the only one who disagrees? Amazing how professional critics get away with this stuff. Like the front page article in the Arts & Leisure section of the Sunday NY Times last year that said Paula Cole's "Where Have All the Cowboys Gone" was a regressive anthem (back to the 50's ethic) of a woman who wanted to be a little housewife...unless it was ironic. Yes, Mr. Critic, it was ironic. I'd love to hear more examples. Judy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:59:29 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: Patty Cancel's her Sept. 18th Nashville, TN show (again) I just found out today that Patty is no longer the opening act for the Sept 18th, Edwin McCain show at 328 Performance Hall in Nashville, TN. To say the least I was really disappointed. I called 328 and the guy on the phone made it sound like Patty's management really made them jump through hoops and then went and canceled on them. He was apparently pissed off at the whole situation. I won't presume to know anything about what goes on behind the scene in this business but suffice it to say that a lot of people in Nashville will be pretty disappointed if she doesn't bring her tour through this city again (especially since FR was recorded here). I say again because she played a very small club here back in July as a warm up to her present tour. The reviews of that show that came back to me were that it wasn't very polished, but good never the less. It appears that her most recent shows are getting good reviews so I was really looking forward to seeing the polished product. Is there a web site that is publishing Patty's tour dates. The only one's I've seen show dates thru the end of August. Any additional info would be appreciated. Thanx, Mark Nashville,TN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:34:32 EDT From: Huricane74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: the single Well..IF I was to choose Patty's 1st single..I'd have to go with Change or Tony..either one of those are good enough to make people say..Wow..who is that?? I'd like to hear More of her!! I'd follow it up with One Big Love because I just think people would be more receptive to that song of they already kind of knew the artist. Tony and Change would be good attention getters because of their topics and they are both have a stronger hook..(in my opinion). After those 3 I think that Blue Sky is an excellent choice as a single. As good as Wiggley Fingers is live, I don't think it would have a really big impact on people since it's coming from a "New Artist". These are just my opinions..I personally Love EVERY song on FR, these are the ones I see doing well on rock radio. Take Care everybody!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:36:32 +0000 From: Charl Kroeger Subject: MM: Re: Late start/Bowery Judith , You have my vote in duplicate, triplicate and however many copies you want. I agree that it SUCKED having to wait until so late to see Patty. Not everyone was as lucky as you and I, my partner and one of his work colleagues that I took along to see Patty, had to leave just before she came on as they were due to be up before the birds for a training course at work. So that was a supreme waste of time and money. Someone was chuckling at the complaint that there were support acts because Patty herself was a support act once... they missed the point, the point is it was not necessary to have 2 and besides why couldn't there just have been a better schedule kept?? Last night I went to see Savage Garden, and it was great cos the support act came on shortly after 8 (as indicated on the tickets) was finished in 3/4 hour and then 1/2 hour after that they came on, did a brilliant set and by 10.30 the whole thing was done and we could get home at a sane hour. Anyone at Bowery listening??????????????? Thus goes my more than 3 cents worth - - Charl - ---------- > From: "Perlman, Judith" > To: "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" > Subject: MM: Late start/Bowery > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:59:28 -0400 > >I was at the Bowery show. > >I almost never go to clubs (the last time was in Feb. to see Patty), so >I had no idea what to expect or how big the place was. The ticket said >8 p.m.; it did not list any other groups. I called in the afternoon to >find out more and of course only got a recording telling me to call the >TIX charge #. > >So, I got there 7:10. Doors opened a little after 8 and I was one of >the few lucky people who got a seat. > >There was NO MC, and NO announcement. So you had no idea of what was >going on. After 9 I went to the bar and asked the bartendress what was >happening. She said nothing started till after 9. Fine. > >At about 9:15 some guy wanders out on stage. Starts singing. Just him, >a guitar and a cellist. He was painfully bad. Finally, thank God, he >stops and wanders off. I have to say the crowd was amazingly >good-humored and polite. Then there's a break for 45 minutes while they >rearrange the stage. Or something. I'm no expert, but if this guy was >just up there with a guitar and a cellist and they didn't touch any of >the instruments, why did it take 45 minutes to "change" the set? > >The next band was better, but clearly every one was there to see Patty. > >Ok, one opening act is fine, but two? Why have the headliner in a >midweek show go on at 11:15 p.m.? Luckily, I took off from work that >week, but what about other people who work? And, it definitely tries >people's patience and tolerance. > >If the club does feel the need to do that, then they should indicate it >on the ticket (at least that there will be other acts so you can deduce >the rest), and/or have a recording that says so, preferably a human to >answer the phone. And they should have some kind of MC or announcement >to let people know what's going on. It's only courtesy. Especially for >people who are not familiar with the club scene. > >That's my story and I'm sticking to it. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:54:34 -0800 From: "C. Soudah" Subject: [none] May I just say that this is a great list of members, who actually stay on topic, speak intelligently, and do not throw insults when disagreeing. This isn't brown-nosing, it's just true. Is this what P.G. fans are like all over? I hope so. This would definitely attract me to more Patty shows, in addition to her amazing talent. c. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:20:58 -0700 From: Adrienne Barbee Subject: MM: Next single from FR Hey everybody--I just joined the list and thought I saw something about a discussion of which song should be released as the second single from FR. What did everybody decide? Was there consensus? I've been following the discussion about Patty's second album vs. the first and the whole question about remaining a singer-songwriter act vs. a band. It's interesting to hear everybody's opinion, and I've been pondering this as I've been listening to Flaming Red. I have to admit I'm kind of disappointed that I'm not as in love with it as I was with LwG. Don't get me wrong--I LOVE Patty's music and I think she's a GENIUS songwriter and performer. I don't mean to criticize--but FR seems to have all the right elements, but it just doesn't add up to a CD that I want to super-glue into my stereo. I think a first album can be a magical thing--and a really hard act to follow regardless of whether you a add a band or change your style. I'm having the same experience with Gillian Welch's follow-up to Revival. Just had to share my thoughts. No matter what, though--I just hope that Patty has a long career and the opportunities to make whatever music is happening for her. She'll always have my ear. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:57:10 -0700 From: Eric Subject: MM: Next singles.. 2nd single should be 'Tony' 3rd - 'Christina' My feeling is that it is 'Christina' that will put sales into overdrive. However, it will probably not be released as a second single, so as to not pidgeonhole PG in that softer genre. Furthermore airplay is less likely with a slower tune from a new artist. The first 2 singles will open the door for 'Christina'. If we may, look at Shania Twain for ex. Her first and second singles are usually uptempo(as are those of most artists btw) yet, her single 'Still the One' is the song that made #1 and really moved the cd. My opinion..... Eric ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #251 *********************************