From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #243 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 243 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Emmylou Back-up [EMSTER68@aol.com] MM: great patty experience [LTaillon@aol.com] MM: RE: Loundess! Remember that band? ["Paquin, John" ] MM: Loudness issue... [GRMACHN@aol.com] MM:Loudness [WWM27@aol.com] MM: Rare Patty [Jane A Rothchild ] MM: NYC Show [VonKramer@aol.com] MM: Patty Tapes ["C. Soudah" ] MM: Loudness. [Rongrittz@aol.com] MM: Bowery Ballroom Show 8/18 [Charl Kroeger ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:38:50 EDT From: EMSTER68@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Emmylou Back-up I saw Patty tonight at the Bowery Ballroom! The band was not too loud! In fact, the entire performance was unbelievable! The best Patty yet....and I've seen her many times!!!!!! To top it off Emmylou sang backup on MARY! Patty keeps getting better and better! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:30:53 EDT From: LTaillon@aol.com Subject: MM: great patty experience hi everybody! i got to see patty saturday in atlanta and i'm just now getting a chance to write about it. first off, thanks so much to rick snow for sending the email about a patty autographed guitar being given away. i was really looking forward to seeing this show because i love edwin and patty. in addition to tha,t i had a friend drive down from PA to see the show. he was there to see edwin, but he was impressed by patty - he really liked wiggley fingers. on saturday am(the day of the concert) i rolled out of bed and called Corner Compact Disc to find out if they were still doing the drawing for the autographed guitar. the owner, bill, broke my heart and told me that they gave it away on friday night. but, he made up for it ten fold -- next thing out of his mouth was "patty will be playing in store at 2pm today." any plans i had that day were immediately cancelled! what a wonderful day! i got down there and was able to meet her keyboard player, john -- he was really nice. he told me he was on the mad mission list for about 3-4 weeks, but had to get off (he was getting too many emails when he was out of town -- he was surprised by all the negative feedback early on.) the store is rather small, but the whole band played w/ her anyway - they plugged in acoustic. she sang: goodbye, tony, wiggley fingers, one big love and mary. i was able to take pictures -- they turned out quite good. there were only about 20-25 people in the store. i did get an autograph and my picture taken w/ patty. i also got one of those baby t's -- they sold them at the show that night too. she played to a sold out crowd at the Roxy in atlanta that night. i was really pleased w/ the crowds response to her. her set list included(in order): christina, change, tony, a cover song by the replacements, go now, wiggley fingers, one big love, blue sky, flaming red and mary. i was kind of expecting to be really unhappy w/ the sound, but i wasn't. it was perfect -- at no time did i feel like the band was overpowering her!!!! they all have a lot of fun up there. yes, the band is very loud, but maybe i just got lucky at this particular venue. i could hear all her lyrics very clearly. and believe me, if i couldn't hear them i would have been back at the sound board immediately! i must say after seeing the show, my pick for the 2nd single has to be Wiggley Fingers! take care everybody -- tracey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:01:05 -0500 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: RE: Loundess! Remember that band? Keith's point about earplugs is an excellent one! In addition, many times, earplugs actually HELP you to hear the vocals, etc, at a loud concert. Sounds counterintuitive, but it's true. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:05:56 -0800 From: "C. Soudah" Subject: MM: Loudness I agree with those folks who suggest earplugs at shows. It does work, and is better for you in the long run. However, we do not usually leave a concert complaining that we couldn't hear the lead singer. And that has been a fairly consistent problem with Patty and her band. As I've said before, they are obviously new together, and haven't developed a "groove" and synchrony. She sings, they play, and they don't hear each other. We saw her at the infamous Troubadour in L.A., where I've seen dozens of artists. Never is sound an issue in there. I hope they improve and work at it. I hope they're aware of the problem. I'd hate to take friends to her shows in an attempt to familiarize them with her music, and have them experience what I did. Her voice is remarkable and should be heard. thanks everyone Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:31:20 EDT From: GRMACHN@aol.com Subject: MM: Loudness issue... Hi all! Enjoying the discussions! Just wanted to say a litle about the loudness issue. The true test will be when Patty performs a solo show with band. Let's see what the mix is. I however wonder if Patty doesn't want it that way?! When I saw Patty Griffin in San Diego a while ago, we were there to see them setting the levels for her show. What we got out of it is that she likes it LOUD! Now realize that this was when she was still playing acoustic. Even then I had a hard time on some of the louder songs, discerning all the vocals. Fortunately, I knew all the songs ahead of time so it didn't really affect me. But I can only imagine what a first time listener would feel. I am sure that a lot of this loudness/not hearing the vocals problem is the poor mixing job as a result of her being the opening act, but I wouldn't be surprised if even in a solo show the band was REALLY loud. Possibly loud enough to drown out some vocals. I think she just likes to be immersed in the volume of the performance. Me? I just like the experience. Sure my ears need a little healing afterwards, but I think it's all part of the experience. I do hope however, that someday she will have a equal balance between sheer power and a complex even subtle mix which brings out the best in EVERYone and introduces all who listen to an incredible singer and profound song-writer. Tootles. Steve "If you dig it, do it. If you really dig it, do it TWICE!" --Jim Croce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:33:19 EDT From: WWM27@aol.com Subject: MM:Loudness Hi everyone.... I'm new to the list today and will be seeing Patty tonight in Boston. I too agree with the loudness issue. I had the good fortune of seeing Patty in a very small guests only performance a few years back (her very good friend is the love of my life...but thats an entirely differnet e-mail all together!) Her interaction with the crowd and clarity without the obtrusive sound system made it one of the most intimate and asthetically enjoyable shows I have ever been to...being in love may have had a hand in that! Hope everyone going to the Boston show has a great time tonight! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:37:31 -0400 From: Jane A Rothchild Subject: MM: Rare Patty Hi everyone. This is a note to express my thanks to Jen and Mike and Paul Mays (my branch) and the others who put the rarities tape together. Jen, what a great thing for you to have done; it is a major league treat in my book, and your work is much appreciated. - --Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:54:43 EDT From: VonKramer@aol.com Subject: MM: NYC Show 8/18 NYC- Bowery Ballroom Report Unbelievable show... Patty kicked it... The band jammed it...(they're very polished now) Lots of A&M execs were blown away... Emmylou Harris came out for a duet for "Mary"... Patty sang "Crazy" for the encore... To address the LOUD issue...the band was drowning her out at the start, but after the acoustic set, the vocals were much clearer...keep in mind that she does fall into a michael stipe mode on some songs where you can't make out the lyrics anyway... btw, Patty looked great as usual... ciao...von PS...cute moment- there was even a roped off VIP section at her show...our little Patty is all grown up now :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:14:12 -0800 From: "C. Soudah" Subject: MM: Patty Tapes Hi Everybody, I'm hearing that some folks have some Patty live stuff or bootleg stuff on tapes for trading. I'd love to get one or two. I may not have all that much trade in comparison to a lot of you out there, but I'd be willing to if there's something. We used to have a wonderful radio station here in L.A., truly Adult Alternative that brought Patty and others to a town of egos and one hit wonders. Needless to say, the station died last year (low ratings), and since then I haven't been able to obtain the wonderful live stuff I once could. Listservs like this are most resourceful.... carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:08:26 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: MM: Loudness. << Her band was too loud, too overpowering. And as powerful as her voice is, it was a battle between her and the 5 guys behind her throughout the show. Her voice is an amazing instrument alone, and I think that's why so many of us adore Living with Ghosts. She didn't need the help. >> It's not really loudness that's sometimes the problem, it's distortion. I've never understood why those who mix the sound at "rock" concerts think that there's a point where you just push the damn thing to 11, clarity be damned. Last night at the Bowery Ballroom, the sound was loud, but clean. And oh, BTW, it was only the best concert I've ever seen in my life. When Emmylou Harris came out to sing harmony on "Mary," I welled up. And then "Let Him Fly" tore me to pieces. Patty was -- what did Shelly Duvall say in "Annie Hall" . . . transplendent? -- and it was heavenly. She was Bonnie Raitt, Cyndi Lauper, Cindy Brady, Joe Cocker and Dorothy all rolled into one, and I, for one, will never forget it. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:58:34 +0000 From: Charl Kroeger Subject: MM: Bowery Ballroom Show 8/18 Hi all, I see that no-one has been up and at their computers yet, sending in reviews of the show. So here goes... MY RAVE: I guess we should all start this with IMHO, cos we don't all see things the same, but anyhow, I have to say Patty's part of the show was awesome! She did seem a bit subdued or unsure at the beginning and I think she also had to win over the audience a bit because almost everyone I came into contact with was SERIOUSLY pissed at having to wait until way after 11pm for her to start. It's great to see Patty "let loose" without her guitar (even though I love her playing) and use her whole body to "get into" the songs. All of the tracks that she did were very true to the albums but still different enough to have an interesting edge. The gem of the evening was at the end of the show (the last official song before the encores) she suddenly announced that there was someone very special there for that gig only... the song was "Mary", and yep, there out from the stage door came Emmylou Harris. That really has to be one of the best concert surprises for me in a long time. (BTW if you guys haven't checked out her new album "Spyboy" yet, do yourselves a favor and hunt a copy down!) S there you have it. I was enjoying the show too much to be doing setlists so I am afraid I can't give comprehensive details on that , but suffice to say she did almost all of FR and a quite a couple from LWG. Patty's part of the show was just plain awesome!! It's possible that the sound people might have been listening to the complaints of volume that have been posted here recently, because there were only a few times where Patty was inaudible against the band, but in general, was quitewell balanced against the band. Those who have seen her with the band before, what do you think? MY DISAPPOINTMENT: I was, however, mystified at the need for TWO support acts...whose wise decision was THAT???!!! The middle band just before Patty were just nowhere near what a support for her should have been... COMPLETELY unrelated to her or her style, and loud enough to make my ears ring even before Patty got there... Sure we would expect she doesn't go on until about 9.30pm after the "doors open" time, which was 8pm, but my friend that went along with me to the show had to leave after seeing only the *----* support acts because of time restraints, which should never have happened at an advertised 8.00pm gig. Is there anyone else that felt we had no need to see all the world before Patty? Anyhow, through it all we love that red-haired Gal!!!! Go Patty - you ROCK! All the best Charl ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #243 *********************************