From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #170 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, June 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] [Mark Cicero ] MM: Eagerly Awaiting Flaming Red Release [Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com] RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply ["Ramos, Ruben" ] RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply -Reply ["Kunkel, Robert G" ] Re: RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply [CornflkGl@aol.com] MM: Re: Give her some space thread [CornflkGl@aol.com] [none] ["Mike Gorecki" ] RE: MM: Matt's coments [Robin Hall ] Re: MM: RE: ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] MM: FW: making a buck ["Perlman, Judith" ] MM: Discoveries ["Darrel & Deanna" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:49:04 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: [none] Matt writes: "But allowing commercial interests to dominate an art industry sounds a lot like another entertainment medium: prime-time television. On the rare occasions I watch prime-time" Mark replies: Matt who is "allowing" this to happen. Lets not fool ourselves the music business is just that, a business. It's market driven. And in this day and age (or should I say this society) no one wants to starve. Money talks!! (unfortunately). I am sure that there are some artists out there that will refuse to become a part of the system but that seems to be counter productive to the very reason the artist writes or performs. I think that it is safe to say that a singer/songwriter pursues their dream with the hope that their product gets heard or bought, otherwise why write (if it is merely an advocation, then the system is unimportant to them as they have no desire to be heard or recognized). I'm sure there are those uncompromising individualists out there but how many will ever be heard?? And if they, per chance, do achieve any element of success their fans would scorn them. So its a no win situation. I can separate the music from any form of commercialism that the system may want to attach to it. It wouldn't bother me in the least if "Poor Man's House" became a commercial for the American Home Builders Association, it would still speak to me as it does every time I hear it. Regards, Mark Nashville,TN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:49:59 -0400 From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com Subject: MM: Eagerly Awaiting Flaming Red Release I just wanted to say that I am very eagerly awaiting the release of Flaming Red, as I'm sure a lot of people on this list are...I did not obtain an advance copy, other than the A&M promo snippets cassette I got for free at the Mercury Lounge concert, and the Lilith Fair '98 Starbucks CD that has OBL on it; those were just teases, and when the release date comes, you bet your booty I'll have the CD in my hand at the first possible second and I will be drooling all over it hahahaha. (Well, not exactly, but I will be very happy, and when I get home I will have my own little private CD release party with me, myself, the CD, and a glass of red wine or two.) I love what I've heard of it so far (not much), I think her voice sounds terrific, and I am particularly eager to hear the songs "Christina" and "Mary" in their full length, as well as whatever other gems are on the album. GO PATTY! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:51:40 -0700 From: "Ramos, Ruben" Subject: RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply I was very excited when I learned about this mailing list. I thought it would be wonderful to hear from other fans of Patty. So far the majority of this list has been nothing but complaining. I love Patty's music and will continue to be a fan regardless of what's going on in her personal life. I need to hear her music but I don't need to hear petty complaints. Respond to this e-mail if you wish. I'm following up this e-mail with an "unsubscribe" so make it fast. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kunkel, Robert G [SMTP:robert.g.kunkel@lmco.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 11:42 AM > To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' > Subject: FW: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply > > > Musicians work so hard at "making it" and I'm sure they understand > that > > making it means putting themselves out there in the "public eye", so > to > > speak. So why is that when their music and life in general begin to > get > > noticed that we are all of a sudden suppose to refrain from calling > > attention to anything other than their music; as if to do so would > be > > disrespectful or somehow an invasion of privacy. They know what > > they're getting into and once a person puts themselves out there > then > > they should except the good and the bad that goes with being a > public > > figure. (And I can't believe that Patty doesn't understand this) > > > > > Just because a person wants to share their talent and their work with > the > public, that does not mean they want their private lives > *scrutinized* by the public. > To stretch a point: you put your opinion in a post to the list (the > "public") and I am responding critically to that "work". You should > (and > more than likely did) expect a response of some kind. No problem. > Now, send me a picture of your girlfriend so I can critique her. One > has > nothing to do with the other, and the latter is clearly none of my > business. > > > > > I'm not in a particlulary agreeable mood today, maybe I should just > go > > home and listen to "Forgiveness". > > > Maybe you should....you're gettin' me cranky too, damnit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:09:04 PDT From: "Sean Palen" Subject: MM: you want bad radio I believe I simpathize(forgive spelling please) with all people on this list from San Antonio. The radio sucks, plain and simple. If a song is in the top ten, it isnn't on the radio for months after it's off the charts. There are a lot of people that want a good station, so we listen to 101.5 from Austin if we're lucky enough to pick it up. If anyone has lots of money to throw around, start a radio staion here and SA and the listeners will come. You'd be a savior. I can only imagine what OBL sounds like much less the rest of the album. Take care, sean ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:11:06 -0400 From: "Kunkel, Robert G" Subject: RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply -Reply > Robert writes: > Just because a person wants to share their talent and their work with > the public, that does not mean they want their private lives > *scrutinized* by the public. > > Mark replies: They may not want it but it happens, it unfortunately goes > with the territory. > That does not mean however that it should be acceptable... > Mark replies: Bad anology! I am not putting any of my self up for sale. > I > am flattered that you would think of one of my posts as a piece of > "work". I think of it mostly as mental masterbation. I have no control > over > what you may or may not read into my posts and you have every right to > respond accordingly. As for a picture of my girl friend well you are > making assumptions aren't you?? However if I was famous and you > saw me on occasion walking arm and arm with a woman you would be > within your rights to inquire even if it was to satisfy your own > curiosity. > Up for sale or no, there are certain liberties people should be able to enjoy, regardless of fame or obscurity. The point in your original post that I take issue with is that "they should accept the good and the bad that goes with being a public figure". And granted, maybe I am reading more into your post than was meant to be there, but to use your example: a simple inquiry as to who it was would be one thing, if however I decided to run a background check on her, hire a detective to follow her, and take pictures of the two of you through your bathroom window, would I not be out of line and should you not have the right to take exception?? Why should you have to accept it? Simply because you're famous? I just don't think 'it's ok because it goes with the territory' cuts it. Just because something is, doesn't make it right. > I am also flattered that I moved you emtionally, even if it was towards > "crankiness". ;-) > I've got enough other things moving me in that direction. How about giving me a push toward "contentedness" next time. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:16:08 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Re[2]: MM: Re: give her some space -Reply In a message dated 6/18/98 16:54:42, Ruben Ramos wrote: <> Bye ! Nice having you ! Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:18:20 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Give her some space thread All right all ready, you guys ! it's turning into a private argument between two or three of you. I'm all for using the delete button, but really... consider taking it off the list. At this point it's a battle of barins, not a battle of... of... whatever it was originally a battle of. Yikes. Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:46:35 -0400 From: "Mike Gorecki" Subject: [none] I can't imagine the horror of what my life would be like if say a large auto company used a song like oh say Bob Seegers Like a Rock....Why life would be over. Art for commercial gain...not here in the USA......For now I have yet to hear any Patty Griffin song that might sell merchandise....but so what if it did.......for me it would be just another chance to hear her in another venue. But let's wait and see...maybe no marketing exec. will drool over poor man's house to sell siding. Mike ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jun 98 14:50:04 -0800 From: Robin Hall Subject: RE: MM: Matt's coments matt vogensen wrote: >I moved to Austin I found out what good music was. Stations here play what they consider >to be the best music available, it is realy a great improvement to the >life of everybody who listens. As a former resident of Austin, now living in Los Angeles, I have to say I really missed Austin radio, particularly KGSR. But, thanks to the Internet, I get KGSR over AudioNet. Which is great, not only because KGSR plays great music (including Patty Griffin, a lot) but it keeps me connected to people and a place I love. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:34:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: Re: MM: RE: It could be worse - what if you heard one of PG's works played on MUZAK?!? On the other hand, Muzak--more than being used in a commercial--is the ultimate sign that a musician has "made it." That's the topic of "Muzak" performed by the Four Bitchin' Babes on "Fax Ii! Charge It! Don't Ask Me What's for Dinner" (a good mix of humor and singer-songwriter material) - SVG On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Ramos, Ruben wrote: > I would be disappointed if Patty's music showed up in commercials. But > on the other hand > I would be greatly pleased that her music would now have a much wider > audience > that would help support her artistry and enable her to continue to > create her music. Patty's > voice deserves to be heard everywhere. > > This has recently come up with another artist that I thoroughly enjoy. > Vonda Shepard, who > performs the music for the Ally McBeal television show, has been a long > time > favorite of mine. I would go see her in these funky little clubs and > hope that > one day she would hit it big. Well now she's on her way and I hope the > commercialism > doesn't affect her music. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Perlman, Judith [SMTP:PerlmanJ@UJAFEDNY.ORG] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 8:38 AM > > To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' > > Subject: > > > > Last night I was watching TV and a commercial came on showing men > > built > > like Calvin Klein models in sensual poses with women out of Baywatch. > > The music playing was "Feelin' Love" by Paula Cole. This is the 3rd > > song of hers I've seen used to promote a TV show - "Where Have all the > > Cowboys Gone" for some Western on CBS, and "I Don't Want to Wait" for > > Dawson's Creek. > > > > I like Paula Cole, and liked her very much before she got famous. > > However, when I see her songs used as commercials, I have to say that > > I'm disappointed. It doesn't seem to jibe with the image of the > > independent, non-conventional, free-expression artist she's trying to > > put across. It got me wondering if I would feel the same way about > > Patty. > > > > I know all the arguments - that artists struggle for years, and that > > their success may be short-lived, so they deserve to take whatever > > they > > get; that there's nothing unethical about their songs being associated > > with another creative endeavor; that they might just be helping > > friends > > involved with a project; and/or that it helps them reach a wider > > audience (and sell more records). I also know that fans have no right > > to dictate to an artist what's right or wrong. > > > > But still...I do feel let down. Would you be disappointed if Patty's > > music showed up in commercials? I'd be interested in hearing what > > other > > people think. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:53:11 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: FW: making a buck "I'm gonna be a happy idiot And struggle for the legal tender Where the ads take aim And lay their claim To the heart & the soul of the spender And believe in whatever may lie In those things that money can buy Thought that love could've been a contender?" > -----Original Message----- > From: Adangerz@aol.com [SMTP:Adangerz@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 1:22 PM > To: EMSTER68@aol.com; mgillis@meditech.com; mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: making a buck > > In a message dated 6/17/98 7:15:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > EMSTER68@aol.com > writes: > > << Why shouldn't artists allow their songs used in commercials? > Do you have any idea how much money they make from it? > They are not all millionaires. > The songs used are already usually well known and by having them on > television only puts it in the heads of millions of people watching. > If the right money was offered to me ....there would be no question > about it. > Wouldn't you find it hard to turn that down? >> > > AMEN to that. In the Ferangeian, and American capitalistic > traditions, that > is largely what one does in this world if one can. Make money. I see > nothing > wrong with the means as long as it doesn't violate any of your > personal morals > (i.e. selling guns to neo-nazis etc.). > I would just give Patty my money for being (had I some to spare). > Waiting on the tips of her toes for the final week countdown to > Patty's newest > release "Flaming Redddddddddddd"!!!! > Adangerz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:49:19 -0700 From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: MM: Discoveries Anyway, would be interested in hearing how other people first discovered Patty.... Terry ************************************* I heard about Patty's phenomenal debut album on the Jackson Browne list (everyman) two years ago. LWG leaves me speachless to this day. When I saw Patty open for Shawn and Freedy, her performance blew me away but it was of course way too short. I'm hoping that her and her band will appear at my local concert hall again, Ventura Theatre. Darrel (In FM radio wasteland) ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #170 *********************************