From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #167 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, June 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 167 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: flaming red lyric [JohnRN23@aol.com] MM: New album- love it! [Dana ] Re: MM: Unreceived (Official explanation from the list owner) -Reply [Ma] Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) [Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com] MM: Re: give her some space ["Eileen J. Griffin" ] Re: MM: is she listening? -Reply -Reply [Mark Cicero ] Re: MM: is she listening? -Reply ["Kevin B. Pease" Subject: MM: New album- love it! I have heard most of the new album, having been given about 2/3 of it and I can say that I already love all of it except Flaming Red and Wiggley Fingers- a little too loud for me- they will probably grow on me tho- the rest of it is wonderful and I will be there on the 23 getting myself and 3 daughters real copies of Flaming Red. I Love Christina, having heard it in concert and it blew me away- Good bye is wonderful acoustically also- so heart breaking- like a different song with the band- but I still love it. The songs are great- what else could I expect! I already checked out Music Box in my hometown and her name is up there on the new release chart! The girls like CD's, and I need a tape for the car. We will be making a 12 hr drive that night to Charlotte, North Carolina from Connecticut and we will know the album well by the time we arrive there! We have seen Patty 3 times and we love her! It is a great thing when the teens and the mom both like the same artists- especially when in a 12 hr time capsule like the one we have coming up! Dana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:40:27 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: Re: MM: Unreceived (Official explanation from the list owner) -Reply Mike, We all certainly appreciate the work you put into maintaining this list but I have to be honest with you, your explanation of why certain posts might bounce to you for review, really rubbed me the wrong way. All though you never call it "Censorship" that is exactly what it is. The fact that some individuals (not meaning you in particular) want to control the flow of ideas flies in the face of those very freedoms that allow artists such as Patty and Ani Defranco to get their music heard despite their lyric content. This is not a flame, just my humble opinion, which I felt obliged to express. I wonder if this post will bounce to you first for review and if it does will you let it go?? Regards, Mark Nashville,TN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:41:22 -0400 From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) - --------------- cc:Mail Forwarded --------------- From: ducksoup@spectra.net AT TIME_INC Date: 06/17/98 10:45 PM To: EScrafford@ntpinc.com AT TIME_INCmad-mission@smoe.org AT TIME_INC Cc: Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) Patty's DATING that Troy Campbell guy that opened for her at the Fez last Spring? Yikes! ______________________________ Forward Header _____________________________ _____ Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) Author: ducksoup@spectra.net at TIME_INC Date: 6/17/98 10:45 PM At 01:30 PM 6/17/98 , Erin Scrafford wrote: >I often wonder if Patty herself subscribes to this list. Do you think >she is lurking out there? Well, Patty herself is not subscribed to the list, but 1 to 3 people in contact with her are/may be. A member of her management team IS, that is for certain, but doesn't ever intend to post directly, to maintain that ability to remain in the background. Her present boyfriend Troy, who toured with her just last spring tour told me he intended to subscribe once the tour ended, but I don't know if he has yet. Troy's sister Glennia was one of the first people to subscribe when this list in January, but I don't know if she's still here, as I don't recall her email addy and I think she hasn't posted in quite a while. Anyway, there's absolutely no question Patty gets at least some feedback on what is said here, considering some of her management IS on the list, and perhaps Troy & Glennia. Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:15:58 -0500 From: "Eileen J. Griffin" Subject: MM: Re: give her some space I have not posted to this list (or any list for that matter) but I really feel the need to comment on Amy's message below. Having just discussed the fact that Patty is at least indirectly aware of the content of this email list, I think a little sensitivity is called for here. Say what you will about Patty's music or anything else relating to her professional life, but I think it is VERY inappropriate to comment on her personal life, especially when the comment, as this one must be, is so extremely hurtful. Patty already shares a tremendous amount of her personal life with her fans through her music. Don't take more than she gives. I am not familiar with the ways of these email lists, so I hope that this message is not interpreted as a "flame." Just a reminder that there's a professional Patty and a personal Patty, and it would be nice if her fans remembered to give the personal Patty (and those who are important to her in her personal life) some space. And by the way, I have met Troy Campbell and think he is an exceptionally wonderful person. > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:41:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) > > Patty's DATING that Troy Campbell guy that opened for her at the Fez last > Spring? Yikes! > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:50:52 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? -Reply -Reply Mimi, What are you basing your impressions on, personal conversations with Patty, radio interviews you've heard, comments at shows???? Just curious about where you're getting this insight. FWIW, I happen to think your right and I would hope that both the good and the bad (I woul hope that it took the form of constuctive criticism) that's said on this list gets back to someone close to Patty, if not Patty herself. Regards, Mark Nashville,TN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:01:53 -0400 From: "Kevin B. Pease" Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? -Reply >> Mooodeee@aol.com Writes: >She has asked about what the list has been saying about Flaming Red and the >band. She basically knows about what you guys have been saying. She is >really depending on all of you to support her and appreciate the CD as well as >her band. [...] Remember also that this is a warm-up tour before the release of the >CD, so there will be expected room for improvement over time. Just hang in >there. I just want to toss my two cents in here. I haven't heard the full album, but I have checked out the RealAudio stuff on the A&M web site. My impression is that I'm going to really like the new album, from what I heard on the A&M web site. I really liked Living With Ghosts, but I felt that Patty's voice almost overpowered the accompanying music; I always thought the minimalist arrangements, while beautiful & emotionally powerful, were about a half a hair away from being too minimal. On the clips I've heard off of Flaming Red, it sounds like there's more of a balance between the accompanying music and her voice, which I like. Patty's got a very strong, powerful voice, and personally, I think the stronger accompaniment will sound great. Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) http://www.wpi.edu/~kestrel "I'm sure no one will wonder where I've gone to, but if anyone should ask from time to time - Tell 'em that you finally drove me crazy, And I'm somewhere untanglin' my mind..." (Clint Black) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:53:56 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Everything the past couple of days Wow, it's so cool to see the list booming again ! About the "stupid girl, she was dressed like she deserves eveything that she got" line- I have a slightly different interpretation. I read somewhere that "Flaming Red" is a take on the old fairy tale "The Red Shoes". Of course, I've never heard Patty say that- I've only heard her say it's "for all the read heads out there." But supposing that IS what the song is about, then it would make sense. In the story the girl is very vain and she wears red shoes to her mother's funeral ( or something like that- the point is they were inapporpriate at the time and she went against orders and wore them anyway ). The shoes get permanently stuck to her feet, and she is forced to dance constantly. She dances around eveywhere, and at first she likes it, but she has no control and gets really tired and can't stop. At the end she dies because she gets so worn out from wearing the shoes. So, "Stupid girl, she was dressed like she deserved everything that she got" would certainly seem to work with that scenario. About everyone's opinions of Flaming Red- I have a tape of a tape of the CD. At first, I was startled. But now, I love it, despite what I think are some flaws. I hate the drums in most of the songs- especially the big drum rolls and cymbol hits in "Peter Pan". Something about the chords in "Go Now" makes it sound evil to me. "Goodbye" is too fast- hearing her do it live makes me cry, and on the album it sounds like any other song. BUT REGARDLESS, I love the album just the same. I'm a fan of Patty's voice, and her lyrics. They're both on this album- and I've got eveything I want :) About posts bouncing to Mike for moderation... I guess I'm used to it from being on the Jewel list. I once wrote a very long, involved "How many Jewel fans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" post, and it never made it through to the list. I was pretty pissed about that... but I understand the need for moderation. We've had big blow-ups on this list, and we've been put on moderation before (when certain key words will stop the post from going through to the list altogether ). Mike says he isn't stopping posts now, he's just watching them in case some kind of big controversy starts up. Despite the fact that we all joined this list of our own free will, it IS privately owned ( not by Mike ). Well, I dunno if Mike "owns" the list or whatever, but he doesn't own the software and hardware the list runs off of. Anyway, that private individual has free reign to say whatever can and can not be posted on this list. It's just the way it works. I don't want to stir up the whole "free speech" controversy, which never gets resolved and always leaves people feeling icky. Just remember, Mike monitors the posts on the list for our own good.. kinda :) Let's see, what else ? Oh, yeah. This is interesting. Someone said : > Patty's DATING that Troy Campbell guy that opened for her at the Fez last > Spring? Yikes! and someone ELSE said : >I think it is VERY inappropriate to comment on her personal life, especially >when the comment, as this one must be, is so extremely hurtful. Funny.... because I don't think the first comment was negative. It could be a "Hey yikes ! Good for her !" How do you know what she meant ? It was practically one-line post. Make sure you know what someone means before you jump down their throat, ok ? And now just a wee blurb about the Lyrics Archive.. I was checking it the other day when I saw geocities made a really disgusting addition to it. I put the Geocities banner at the bottom of it, because otherwise Geocities adds a kind of "pop-up" ad to your browser that blocks your view of the page and is a total pain in the ass. Anyway, I saw an ugly little addition the other day- what I call a ghostie, what they call a brand. You know when you're watching TV and in the bottom right corner they have a see through symbol for the station ? That's what it is. it's about 1 inch high by 2 inches long, it says "GeoCities", it's a clickable link, and it always stays on the bottom right hand of your browser. It's a Java applet, and it's on every single page- or, it was. I yelled and screamed and started thinking about moving the page to somewhere else. In the meantime , I checked the site yesterday, and it looked to be coompletely gone. I don't know if they were just testing it out, or if it only shows up at ceratin times... I saw it on Netscape 4.0 and the other two computers it was checked with had 3.0. So anyway.. it's ugly, and I'm sorry. If anyone has any ideas to a cheap ( or FREE ) place I could put the site with minimal advertising, please let me know... *phew* Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:09:52 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: Re: Everything the past couple of days -Reply Rachel writes: " Just remember, Mike monitors the posts on the list for our own good.. kinda :)" Mark responds: I feel better now knowing that there's a net mommy or net daddy out there looking out for our own good! Rachel, did you really mean that the way it sounded??? Regards, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:55:11 -0400 From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space You are right. It wasn't meant to be hurtful...just an exclamation of surprise. However, you are absolutely right and I apologize if that sounded bad. ______________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________ _____ Subject: MM: Re: give her some space Author: EILEENG@usm.maine.edu at TIME_INC Date: 6/18/98 10:15 AM I have not posted to this list (or any list for that matter) but I really feel the need to comment on Amy's message below. Having just discussed the fact that Patty is at least indirectly aware of the content of this email list, I think a little sensitivity is called for here. Say what you will about Patty's music or anything else relating to her professional life, but I think it is VERY inappropriate to comment on her personal life, especially when the comment, as this one must be, is so extremely hurtful. Patty already shares a tremendous amount of her personal life with her fans through her music. Don't take more than she gives. I am not familiar with the ways of these email lists, so I hope that this message is not interpreted as a "flame." Just a reminder that there's a professional Patty and a personal Patty, and it would be nice if her fans remembered to give the personal Patty (and those who are important to her in her personal life) some space. And by the way, I have met Troy Campbell and think he is an exceptionally wonderful person. > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:41:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) > > Patty's DATING that Troy Campbell guy that opened for her at the Fez last > Spring? Yikes! > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:55:26 EDT From: CornflkGl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: Everything the past couple of days -Reply In a message dated 6/18/98 11:11:26, you wrote: <> I don't know how it sounded to you- I meant it as "this is a practice that I don't necessarily agree with myself, but it's how it works, and Mike does it because he thinks that it's good for us." Rachel :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:07:46 -0500 From: "Eileen J. Griffin" Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space Thanks for your reply. And I'm sorry if I sounded a little high-handed. I just interpreted your comment in its worst light and perhaps overreacted. I've been regretting having sent that message for the last hour. > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:55:11 -0400 > Subject: Re: MM: Re: give her some space > > > You are right. It wasn't meant to be hurtful...just an exclamation of > surprise. However, you are absolutely right and I apologize if that sounded > bad. > > ______________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________ > _____ > Subject: MM: Re: give her some space > Author: EILEENG@usm.maine.edu at TIME_INC > Date: 6/18/98 10:15 AM > > > > > > I have not posted to this list (or any list for that matter) but I > really feel the need to comment on Amy's message below. Having just > discussed the fact that Patty is at least indirectly aware of the > content of this email list, I think a little sensitivity is called > for here. Say what you will about Patty's music or anything else > relating to her professional life, but I think it is VERY > inappropriate to comment on her personal life, especially when the > comment, as this one must be, is so extremely hurtful. Patty already > shares a tremendous amount of her personal life with her fans through > her music. Don't take more than she gives. > > I am not familiar with the ways of these email lists, so I hope > that this message is not interpreted as a "flame." Just a reminder > that there's a professional Patty and a personal Patty, and it would > be nice if her fans remembered to give the personal Patty (and those > who are important to her in her personal life) some space. > > And by the way, I have met Troy Campbell and think he is an > exceptionally wonderful person. > > > From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com > > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:41:22 -0400 > > Subject: Re: MM: is she listening? (indirectly, yes) > > > > Patty's DATING that Troy Campbell guy that opened for her at the Fez last > > Spring? Yikes! > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #167 *********************************