From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #163 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, June 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Perspective on electric Patty ["Stephen V. Gilmore" ] MM: Not patty related, but I thought some folks might be interested.. ..[Fwd: Help Save OLGA!] [ow] MM: RE: ["Ramos, Ruben" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen V. Gilmore" Subject: Re: MM: Perspective on electric Patty for a real Sam Phillips gem, try her first CD, The Turning - SVG On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 ABershaw@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > I've been lurking about listening contently to the > ongoing "electric/acoustic, the band kicks ass/the > band sucks" thread. Personally, I love the album & the electric > band stuff regardless of the ragged live performances > so far. (I've heard recordings of the notorious > Mercury Lounge gig & I can hear her voice just fine > belting through even the loudest songs.) > > When I think about Patty's electric developement, > it doesn't surprise me at all. Whenever I've listened to Patty > perform (& on most LWG album tracks), I always get this > intangible feeling that she's on the verge of spontaneously > combusting! Like the material is literally exploding > out of her. Am I alone on this?? > > I suspect that Patty having been primarily limited > to acoustic guitar/vocal endeavors so far must feel this > as well. But in a much more intense & possibly frustrating way? > > So, not only do I love the new album & what little > I've heard of recent live electric performances, it all seems so > natural to me. Alan > > P.S. For those who become fixated on "Blue Sky" (my choice > for single), I know another album you will most certainly enjoy. > It's Sam Phillips (the female one, not the Sun Records mogul) > "Martinis & Bikinis". This entire album is amazing & > I'm reminded of it every time I hear "Blue Sky". It's also > the best Beatles album since the breakup! ;-) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:21:27 EDT From: Adangerz@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Perspective on electric Patty In a message dated 6/16/98 9:31:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, web6516@charweb.org writes: (actually ABersaw writes this:) << > When I think about Patty's electric development, > it doesn't surprise me at all. Whenever I've listened to Patty > perform (& on most LWG album tracks), I always get this > intangible feeling that she's on the verge of spontaneously > combusting! Like the material is literally exploding > out of her. Am I alone on this?? > I can see where this comes from. Patty is definitely got a lot of energy flowing through her, and consequently her audiences. Live, that feeling lifts the entire room. Patty holds her audiences utterly enthralled. We move with her through this world, as she quite humbly presents us her soul in the context of her music. I have never seen a performer, playing solo acoustic music, command an audience in such a humble (and I know I repeat myself, but it is the best single word I can find at the moment) yet powerful way. I have rarely seen a performer backed with a full band (and here you realize the energy levels are already so much higher, once you "plug in") who has held an audience's attention, hell, rapture even, for an entire set. I have seen many performers and performances in my life time, being from a musical background, and am myself a singer/songwriter. I have also worked with many musicians/performers in my life professionally and in managerial type positions. My conclusion: most musicians who are any good are absolutely in perspective about the whole thing, and extremely humble. As is Patty, who personally, and I'd like to go on record with this, I find to be a Goddess amongst mortals. In fact just now I was looking above the monitor and admiring my Patty Griffin Tour Poster, which I stold from The Paradise Lounge in San Francisco, which I was blessed twice at by Patty, by her playing "You Are Not Alone" as per my request, as an encore, and meeting her backstage, and having the luck to have her sign it, and to be able to chat for a few minutes. Which leads to part 2 of this (seemingly never ending, but I promise it will) saga~ > I suspect that Patty having been primarily limited > to acoustic guitar/vocal endeavors so far must feel this > as well. But in a much more intense & possibly frustrating way? >> After Patty returned to the stage and completely slayed the audience with her encore "You Are Not Alone" everyone was left paralyzed for about 25 seconds, as Patty was exiting the stage. At which time I, (who was ready to go) popped up, snatched her abandoned set list from the stage, got my already stolen and rolled up tour poster from a friend, then followed Patty's path towards the backstage. Which actually there isn't one at the Paradise, but there is however a back huge whole other room, that I never knew existed. And there I found Patty, sitting at a table with a friend, quietly talking. I walked over, TREMENDOUSLY EXCITED. But the mood was quite mellow in there so I somehow magically managed to contain myself as I spoke to Patty. I commented on the immaculate performance, her beautiful new songs, how good the sound was in the room, and that kind of thing. I asked when she would be gracing us with another album, as I had basically worn a hole through the first CD already. She said she was going to be playing with a band, that she wanted to for some time, and thought it would be funner. I agreed it was alot of fun to play with others (I prefer it myself, though an occasional solo performance is nice). When she said she was going to play with a band, inside I went a little shocked. WHAT!?!?! You don't need a band. I only want it to be you! AHHHHHHH!!! But ofcourse, on the proverbial other hand I did understand. Plugging in, everything rocks. I did notice that Patty preferred to do her faster numbers live. Which ofcourse is understandable to. One tends to do that. There is a fear of putting the audience to sleep with ballad after ballad. HOWEVER as we all know Patty could never put an audience to sleep. And I think we all could agree that her ballads are awesome and moving, and that the word boring could never be found as an adjective describing Ms Griffin. Adangerz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:48:24 -0500 From: "Terry Miller" Subject: Fw: MM: Perspective on electric Patty - -----Original Message----- From: Terry Miller To: Stephen V. Gilmore Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 2:45 PM Subject: Re: MM: Perspective on electric Patty > How great to find someone who has similar musical tastes. > I too am a Sam Phillips fan, but I like her album "The Indescribable >Wow" best. (Believe it or not, I bought it on vinyl when it first came >out.) > But I'm not sure "Martinis and Bikinis" is the best Beatles album since >the Beatles. Give Phil Keaggy a listen and then give me your opinion. > >Terry >-----Original Message----- >From: Stephen V. Gilmore >To: ABershaw@aol.com >Cc: Mad-Mission@smoe.org >Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 11:31 AM >Subject: Re: MM: Perspective on electric Patty > > >>for a real Sam Phillips gem, try her first CD, The Turning - SVG >> >>On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 ABershaw@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I've been lurking about listening contently to the >>> ongoing "electric/acoustic, the band kicks ass/the >>> band sucks" thread. Personally, I love the album & the electric >>> band stuff regardless of the ragged live performances >>> so far. (I've heard recordings of the notorious >>> Mercury Lounge gig & I can hear her voice just fine >>> belting through even the loudest songs.) >>> >>> When I think about Patty's electric developement, >>> it doesn't surprise me at all. Whenever I've listened to Patty >>> perform (& on most LWG album tracks), I always get this >>> intangible feeling that she's on the verge of spontaneously >>> combusting! Like the material is literally exploding >>> out of her. Am I alone on this?? >>> >>> I suspect that Patty having been primarily limited >>> to acoustic guitar/vocal endeavors so far must feel this >>> as well. But in a much more intense & possibly frustrating way? >>> >>> So, not only do I love the new album & what little >>> I've heard of recent live electric performances, it all seems so >>> natural to me. Alan >>> >>> P.S. For those who become fixated on "Blue Sky" (my choice >>> for single), I know another album you will most certainly enjoy. >>> It's Sam Phillips (the female one, not the Sun Records mogul) >>> "Martinis & Bikinis". This entire album is amazing & >>> I'm reminded of it every time I hear "Blue Sky". It's also >>> the best Beatles album since the breakup! ;-) >>> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:37:57 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: [none] Last night I was watching TV and a commercial came on showing men built like Calvin Klein models in sensual poses with women out of Baywatch. The music playing was "Feelin' Love" by Paula Cole. This is the 3rd song of hers I've seen used to promote a TV show - "Where Have all the Cowboys Gone" for some Western on CBS, and "I Don't Want to Wait" for Dawson's Creek. I like Paula Cole, and liked her very much before she got famous. However, when I see her songs used as commercials, I have to say that I'm disappointed. It doesn't seem to jibe with the image of the independent, non-conventional, free-expression artist she's trying to put across. It got me wondering if I would feel the same way about Patty. I know all the arguments - that artists struggle for years, and that their success may be short-lived, so they deserve to take whatever they get; that there's nothing unethical about their songs being associated with another creative endeavor; that they might just be helping friends involved with a project; and/or that it helps them reach a wider audience (and sell more records). I also know that fans have no right to dictate to an artist what's right or wrong. But still...I do feel let down. Would you be disappointed if Patty's music showed up in commercials? I'd be interested in hearing what other people think. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:06:53 -0400 From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Not patty related, but I thought some folks might be interested.. ..[Fwd: Help Save OLGA!] Not sure if this sort of post is okay...but so many folks talk about tabulature, I thought you might find it of interest! - - Laurel Hi all, I'm writing to ask you for your help... one of the biggest and most popular sites on the net, OLGA (The Online Guitar Archive), is being legally threatened, and as a result, has shut down. This site is a repository for guitar tablature (if you don't know what that is, feel free to ask). People listen to their favorite songs and write down what they think the chords or notes are for that song. They then post it to this site, making it available to the public. The legal threats apparently have to do with copyright laws governing the music, but as of now, the threatening agency, Harry Fox Agency, has yet to explain to the OLGA why these legal actions are being taken. A petition has been started - over 11,000 people have signed it in just over 5 days. If you have a free moment, please go to the site I have indicated below. There you can add your name to the list. If you have no real opinion but you do want to help, just put something like "Don't close the OLGA!!!" in the comment section. Thank you. - -Jeff http://music.lsds.com/petition.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:37:18 -0700 From: "Ramos, Ruben" Subject: MM: RE: I would be disappointed if Patty's music showed up in commercials. But on the other hand I would be greatly pleased that her music would now have a much wider audience that would help support her artistry and enable her to continue to create her music. Patty's voice deserves to be heard everywhere. This has recently come up with another artist that I thoroughly enjoy. Vonda Shepard, who performs the music for the Ally McBeal television show, has been a long time favorite of mine. I would go see her in these funky little clubs and hope that one day she would hit it big. Well now she's on her way and I hope the commercialism doesn't affect her music. > -----Original Message----- > From: Perlman, Judith [SMTP:PerlmanJ@UJAFEDNY.ORG] > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 8:38 AM > To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' > Subject: > > Last night I was watching TV and a commercial came on showing men > built > like Calvin Klein models in sensual poses with women out of Baywatch. > The music playing was "Feelin' Love" by Paula Cole. This is the 3rd > song of hers I've seen used to promote a TV show - "Where Have all the > Cowboys Gone" for some Western on CBS, and "I Don't Want to Wait" for > Dawson's Creek. > > I like Paula Cole, and liked her very much before she got famous. > However, when I see her songs used as commercials, I have to say that > I'm disappointed. It doesn't seem to jibe with the image of the > independent, non-conventional, free-expression artist she's trying to > put across. It got me wondering if I would feel the same way about > Patty. > > I know all the arguments - that artists struggle for years, and that > their success may be short-lived, so they deserve to take whatever > they > get; that there's nothing unethical about their songs being associated > with another creative endeavor; that they might just be helping > friends > involved with a project; and/or that it helps them reach a wider > audience (and sell more records). I also know that fans have no right > to dictate to an artist what's right or wrong. > > But still...I do feel let down. Would you be disappointed if Patty's > music showed up in commercials? I'd be interested in hearing what > other > people think. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #163 *********************************