From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #132 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, May 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: mercury show [Linus Gelber ] MM: Best of Both Worlds -Reply [Mark Cicero ] Re: MM: Best of Both Worlds [Mooodeee ] [none] [mgillis@meditech.com] Re: MM: Best of Both Worlds [hooligan ] MM: Chords [Kerry Bernard ] MM: Mad-mission news only list???? [Mike Connell ] [none] [mgillis@meditech.com] [none] [Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com] MM: patty at the wfnx party [wdb@obl.bidmc.harvard.edu (William D. Bartho] MM: Flaming Red [Erin DeRuggiero ] MM: Flaming Red -Reply [Mark Cicero ] MM: attempt to spur something else ["Sean Palen" ] Re: MM: Flaming Red -Reply [Erin DeRuggiero ] MM: More info on news version and digest too [Mike Connell ] MM: RE: Re: attempt to spur something else [Erin Scrafford ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Linus Gelber Subject: Re: MM: mercury show On Wed, 13 May 1998 ajn@lobimo.rockefeller.edu wrote: > The mercury lounge show is friday, may 15 at 10:15. As of a couple of days ago, it was also sold out. This doesn't mean there won't be tix at the door, but it does mean that there won't be many. Ciao - Linus Linus Gelber > Home Office Records -- Something Else! linus@panix.com < Please visit us at http://www.web-ho.com boss@web-ho.com > The RAW Kinder EP is coming in June, with cyrano@nycbeer.org < Pawnshop's "Three Brass Balls" to follow! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:25:55 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: Best of Both Worlds -Reply The two songs they are playing the most is Nashville are: One Big Love and Wiggly Fingers. Regards, Mark Cicero >>> LeShawnte 05/14/98 10:58pm >>> k so the more I listen to Flaming, the more i realize how freaking awesome it is, hey hey it only took me about 2-3 listens to realize... anyways i figured we have the best of both worlds of Patty (i'm sure there are more to come) but we got stripped and bare and full fledged jammin mutiple-creativity... does anyone know the single she and her band are pushing to the radio to get this gem filled recording off the ground?? i myself thing Blue Sky would be tres cool or Change... anyone have any suggestions?? Shawnte' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:42:18 EDT From: Mooodeee Subject: Re: MM: Best of Both Worlds Who produced and engineered Flaming Red? Thanks, Mimi Alidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:46:39 -0500 From: mgillis@meditech.com Subject: [none] Erin: my aplogies! "Mad Mission" capos all the way to the 8th fret. If you can't get one that high, you can fake it by capoing to the 3rd and playing C G , with Am D thrown in. "Forgiveness" capos to the 4th fret. "Moses" capos second fret and plays D A G "Let him fly" and "You are not alone" are in open tuning in the key of D. I believe she uses D tuning on these. "Sweet Lorraine" capos 3rd fret and plays G C D "You Never Get What You Want" capos 2nd fret and plays Em C D Well, I hope this helps. I forgot the sheet I made my notes on. These are my best guesses on versions from LWG. She may capo differently now (I could have sworn Mad-Mission was Capo 5, but its definately not on LWG). - -Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: hooligan Subject: Re: MM: Best of Both Worlds o Produced by Jay Joyce except "One Big Love" produced by Angelo with additional production by Jay Joyce. o Exec. producer - Michael Baker. o Mixed by Tom Lord-Alge except for "Big Daddy" mixed by Jay Joyce & "Peter Pan" mixed by David Leonard. o Engineered by David Leonard, Jay Joyce+Rick Will On Fri, 15 May 1998, Mooodeee wrote: > Who produced and engineered Flaming Red? > > Thanks, > Mimi Alidor > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:19:37 From: Kerry Bernard Subject: MM: Chords Matt, Thanks for the chords. There were a few I didn't have. I want to add to a couple of them, though: >"Sweet Lorraine" capos 3rd fret and plays G C D It's actually G, Cadd9, and D with a C thrown in on the choruses. >"You Never Get What You Want" capos 2nd fret and plays Em C D ... and with an Am on the bridge. Kerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:52:33 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: Mad-mission news only list???? Hi folks, With the increased chat on this list lately, I've noticed a rather large desertion rate. (People leaving the list...digest has lost maybe 5, loose mail about 3 dozen...present numbers are 199 on loose mail, 52 on digest). This "desertion rate" of course may be due to strictly volume, may also be due to content, it may be due to college students going home for the summer. Not everyone wants the same thing from this list. While I've considered neither the increased volume or difference of opinions anything dramatic, others might. With this in mind, I've decided to feel you all out about a news only version of the list. There would be zero discussion on this version of the list, it would be for people who just want Patty Griffin news, and perhaps concert review posts. EVERY post sent to the news version of the list would come FROM the regular mad-mission list, so there would be no need to subscribe to mad-mission loose mail AND the news version, as all your news posts would just be duplicates. After reading all of this, if you think a news version would be your cup of tea, please let me know :-) News versions of lists are really for two types of subscribers. 1) those that just want the news 2) digest subscribers. On the Jewel list I've always advised digest subscribers to also subscribe to the news version. It makes sense, because if you fall behind in reading digests or just don't have the time one day, the news posts would be individual emails, and thus would stick out and it would be easier to get the newsy posts rather than sort through the digest looking for them. (and you can read the rest of the posts in the digest later, if you wish) If you have no idea what a DIGEST is like or about, you can 'back-order' a digest by sending an email to majordomo@smoe.org For a sample, to order up the last digest published just last night (they come when loose mail accumulates to 18K or at 1:35am each night, whichever comes first), send the following two line command to majordomo@smoe.org get mad-mission-digest v02.n131 end If for some reason that doesn't work for you (ya made a mistake or something), you could just email me and I'd send ya a copy. Again, if you'd like to see a news version of this list, please email me showing your interest. Mike - mad-mission list owner * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm * * The Jewel EveryDay Angels List Homepage & Guide is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup * * aka DuckOfPrey@aol.com WhyADuck55 on AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:59:23 -0500 From: mgillis@meditech.com Subject: [none] Does anyone know about Patty playing at the WFNX party in Boston on 5/13? I heard nothing about it! I hope this isn't the only time she's passing thru.... Shure! It was! There were like a ton of bands including the Cherry Popping Daddies, Goldfinger etc... Patty was on an acoustic stage with Jules Verdone and other folk... It's an annual party, a few years ago Garbage was on the bill... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:51:36 -0400 From: Amy_Emerman@time-inc.com Subject: [none] I apologize for spazzing out yesterday when I found out the Mercury show was sold out. If I do end up getting in anyway, I will give a full report. Last night was wonderful, 'cause I got to meet Natalie Merchant again after she sang so beautifully at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine. Patti Smith was also there, and gave a kick-ass performance. Regards to all, Amy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:35:18 -0400 From: wdb@obl.bidmc.harvard.edu (William D. Bartholomew) Subject: MM: patty at the wfnx party i assure you, patty did not play at the wfnx best music poll festival. she was not scheduled to play. i was at the mama kin music hall where the acoustic alternative programs were, to see michelle malone, and jules verdone. patty was not listed, nor did i hear of her performing (i left right after jules). the other performers listed for that stage were tracie smart, merrie amsterberg, and kevin salem. if patty were scheduled to perform, you can bet your last dollar that i would have been there for it. if it was a suprise thing, than i'm going to be very upset. bill b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:56:00 -0500 From: Erin DeRuggiero Subject: MM: Flaming Red Having just listened to the new cd, I must admit that I'm just a tad disappointed...Dare I say it? Don't want to be too chatty here, in fear that I may lose some of you...but Living With Ghosts was INCREDIBLE because it was such a powerful combination of kick-ass guitar with this booming, soulfull, moving voice. I think Flaming drowns out a lot of what made "LWG" so amazing. Too much flashy electric guitar on the new one...Kind of like how I feel about Tracy Chapman- I like her best with her guitar and a microphone. That's all you need. This is an attempt to turn Griffin into "airplay" material...It failed to rock my world. And I was actually bored with many of the songs.... Erin DeRuggiero "We are the music makers... Advertising Coordinator and we are the dreamers of dreams" Utne Reader Magazine (612) 338-5040 -Willy Wonka erin@utne.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:26:19 -0500 From: Mark Cicero Subject: MM: Flaming Red -Reply Erin, Let's see, you've just listened to the CD, maybe twice through at the most. And already you have drawn your conclusions. I remember the first time I heard Alanis. I wasn't impressed. It wasn't till about 6 mos later that her genius began to reveal itself to me. I now think that her (Alanis) CD will go down as a classic (at least in my book). I am amazed at how quick we are to rush to judgement. There are so many female rock acts out today that are successfull and they don't have half the voice, and writing talent that Patty does, not to mention the heart and soul (for example, Meridith Brooks, Fiona Apple, Gwen Stephenie, etc.). I've got to believe that Patty's management saw an opportunity here for Patty to step through a door and, in contrast, to what's out there, make a big impression. I get the feeling that this was a very calculated move. Only time will tell if it was the right move. "Time" is the key word here. GIVE IT TIME ! Give yourselff some time to get use to it, to absorb it, to live with it. And then decide if it was a stoke of genious or a complete sell out. A good weekend to all. Regards, Mark Cicero, Nashville, tN >>> Erin DeRuggiero 05/15/98 11:56am >>> Having just listened to the new cd, I must admit that I'm just a tad disappointed...Dare I say it? Don't want to be too chatty here, in fear that I may lose some of you...but Living With Ghosts was INCREDIBLE because it was such a powerful combination of kick-ass guitar with this booming, soulfull, moving voice. I think Flaming drowns out a lot of what made "LWG" so amazing. Too much flashy electric guitar on the new one...Kind of like how I feel about Tracy Chapman- I like her best with her guitar and a microphone. That's all you need. This is an attempt to turn Griffin into "airplay" material...It failed to rock my world. And I was actually bored with many of the songs.... Erin DeRuggiero "We are the music makers... Advertising Coordinator and we are the dreamers of dreams" Utne Reader Magazine (612) 338-5040 -Willy Wonka erin@utne.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:20:09 PDT From: "Sean Palen" Subject: MM: attempt to spur something else I really enjoy the list and it's great to hear comments on the new album. At the very least let's all put at the bottom of our email what cd we have in our cd player, for me I always have three in there. Ok, I havent heard thre album, no critisism from me, but I have in my cd player Bruce Springsteen - Darkness Tom Rush - Circle Game Martin Sexton - Black Sheep List the cd even if someone else does, I think it's kind of cool to see other influences, take care sean ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:15:40 -0500 From: Erin DeRuggiero Subject: Re: MM: Flaming Red -Reply >Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:11:46 -0500 >To: Mark Cicero >From: Erin DeRuggiero >Subject: Re: MM: Flaming Red -Reply >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > > >Mark- > I knew that poeple would get hostile about my e-mail, and I didn't >mean to spark the response that I received from you. I am not calling her >a "sell-out" by any means...I think that the decision was made to change >her sound so that she would appeal to a wider audience... it was, in part, >HER decision. All I'm saying is that I like the Patty of old better than >the new. I have listened to "FR" more than once, and there are a couple >songs that I like...I had the opportunity to see her at Bunkers in Mpls, >and even spoke with her about the "new sound". I had a similar reaction. >Her band overpowers her voice....It isn't as noticeable on the CD, but the >feel is totally different. This will not, in any way, detract from the >fact that I still think she's brilliant...We're all entitled to our >opinions, no? >-Erin > > Erin DeRuggiero "We are the music makers... Advertising Coordinator and we are the dreamers of dreams" Utne Reader Magazine (612) 338-5040 -Willy Wonka erin@utne.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:32:14 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: More info on news version and digest too Hey folks, So far an decent response to a news version of mad-mission, however some folks are confused a tad, so I'll elaborate a bit on some matter. First of all, some misread thinking loose mail would go away, in favor of a news version. No no no no no! :-) Loose mail is here to stay. There would be three distinct versions....loose mail, digest and news. You could subscribe to any one, any two or all three. Digest version: a better explanation - The digest version contains ALL of the same mail that is on what we call the "loose mail"/regular version.....individual emails from mad-mishers. A digest will get published when the loose mail accumulates to 18K, and also a version gets published at 1:35am ET every day, no matter what size has accumulated thus far (digests with one post get published at times). In the beginning portion of the digest is a header that lists the Subjects of the days posts, and the email addy of the author. So, if you subscribe to the digest version, you WON'T miss any posts to mad-mission for the previous day or so, they will all be included. News version - if this list comes to be (which I think it will) it would contain only news about Patty Griffin....releases, reviews of concerts (perhaps including set list), magazine articles/mentions, radio appearances, TV appearances (I would think THIS is the year she hits the tube!!)....anything news worthy. Again, if you are intersted in a news version, please let me know. If I get enough interest, I could have it up and running quite soon :-) Also, ANY questions, please feel free to ask. Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:41:25 -0400 From: "LB" Subject: MM: Re: attempt to spur something else > At the very least let's all put at the bottom of our email what >cd we have in our cd player For me it's THE BOBBY DARIN STORY, Elton John's CAPTAIN FANTASTIC AND THE BROWN DIRT COWBOY, Jeff Buckley's GRACE, Patti Rothberg's BETWEEN THE 1 AND THE 9, and Disc One from Springsteen's THE RIVER. LB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:59:38 -0400 From: Erin Scrafford Subject: MM: RE: Re: attempt to spur something else I have LWG of course, Gillian Welch, the Jayhawks, Subduing Mara and the Vodkasonics in my cd player. - -erin >---------- >From: LB[SMTP:miawlac@concentric.net] >Sent: Friday, May 15, 1998 3:41 PM >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: Re: attempt to spur something else > >> At the very least let's all put at the bottom of our email what >>cd we have in our cd player > >For me it's THE BOBBY DARIN STORY, Elton John's CAPTAIN FANTASTIC AND THE >BROWN DIRT COWBOY, Jeff Buckley's GRACE, Patti Rothberg's BETWEEN THE 1 AND >THE 9, and Disc One from Springsteen's THE RIVER. > >LB > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:21:35 -0400 From: "Perlman, Judith" Subject: MM: Other CD's Aside from LWG, which rarely leaves my player, here are the others: "Secret World", Peter Gabriel; "Secret World Live" (on which Paula Cole duets w/ Peter Gabriel on almost every track); and Mozart piano concertos. However, I must admit the Mozart's still in there just because I'm too lazy to take it out. But the PG stays in; he reaches me on a very deep level. And his music has been a great solace to me in the last few months. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #132 *********************************