From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #63 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Sunday, March 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Tony's WORLD [heidi burtt ] Re: MM: Has anyone heard of...... [heidi burtt ] Re: MM: Has anyone heard of...... [David Lewis ] MM: Tony and the map of the world [W1GGY2 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:29:46 -0800 From: heidi burtt Subject: Re: MM: Tony's WORLD I kinda thought the same thing. Metaphorically looking at a map could mean something much more than just "looking at a map" You think Patty's gonna tell us we're thinking too much again? ;-D Heidi P.S. aww you don't need sleep. stay up and talk awhile! :-) LeShawnte wrote: > > In a message dated 98-03-06 23:43:56 EST, you write: > > << "i'd stare over his shoulder at a map of the world" > im pretty sure just creates the image of her sitting behind him in your > average everyday high school classroom. >> > > Maybe I'm wrong here cause i've just been submerged in a 20 pg paper on > community health and repercussions on adolescents concerning pregnancy and > STD's.. and I clanged the emotional to a pulp. Like the inablility to TALK > with your parents to get messages across...blah blah, but when i first heard > this song Tony i fell in love with Patty's way of getting her message across, > i admit my mouth was quite ajar, but that in and of itself was evidence of the > strong message and i think the way it was conveyed through Patty. She was > pure and honest and freaking blunt, yet not so... she was selfish in high > school, but who isn't. Her world encompassed her and OLY her and she was > submerged and didn't give a shit about anything or anyone else, HHmmm who > hasn't done that??? We all knew a "tony" in highschool or in life, or we all > may be a "tony" or may have been. and at times we probably entangled some > Patty in us. > I love the map line and i personally kinda don;t think she was in geog. class, > but when she stated that she gazed over his shoulder once in a while and saw a > map of the world, maybe there were some of his personal thouhgts jotted down, > some poetry or drawings he was creating and by sneaking a peak she, for an > instant, stepped out of her world and onto/into a map of his. Do i make any > sense? > > in need of sleep, > Shawnte' > "But how do we talk about desire - not just sexual desire, but also the desire > for emotional intimacy, and even the desire to be or know more - and what is > appropriate and what is inappropriate and even dangerous in that discussion? > There are no simple answers. And how often desire is never articulated but so > central in a relationship, in a life (A girl’s Life Feb/Mar 1998)." > "Until our society can overcome its discomfort, its reticence, its denial, and > forge a discourse of desire - a way to talk for real about the simple fact > that teenagers are sexual beings - shrillness will supplant discussion and we > will continue shyly to avert our gaze even as we insist we’re seeing clearly. > We will continue to pay the wrong kind of attention to the people who need us > most to get it right ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:43:25 -0800 From: heidi burtt Subject: Re: MM: Has anyone heard of...... Ha HA HA! ;-D (I think someone mentioned something....) Mike Connell wrote: > > I was just wondering if anyone here has heard of a Patty Griffin song > called "Tony"? ;-) > > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:09:00 -0400 From: David Lewis Subject: Re: MM: Has anyone heard of...... >I was just wondering if anyone here has heard of a Patty Griffin song >called "Tony"? ;-) Never heard of it Mike... what's it about ;) Anyway, once again, I want to thank everyone for giving their interpretations. As I say, I really didn't know what to think at first, and your various interpretations have helped a great deal. I still think that the line about the map still just means that she sat behind him in a class, but the *key* phrase is the bit just beofre that when she says, in effect, "when I wasn't so busy worrying about my own petty problems"... petty I suppose in retrospect, compared to what Tony must have been going though. Anyway, I think I've had my say on this whole Tony thing... speak amongst yourselves :) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 22:33:47 EST From: W1GGY2 Subject: MM: Tony and the map of the world In a message dated 3/7/98 4:44:25 AM, you wrote: >>what does that mean "I stared over at a map of the world? Wow, it always amazes me how many different ways people interpret things! Anyway, the way I look at this line ("I stared over HIS SHOULDER at a map of the world") is that here is this human being sitting in front of her for 4 years and all she knew of him was his shoulder, and staring at a map of the world implies she's dreaming of life after school - getting out into the world and such. So she is focusing on the big picture but completely missing the small one which is right in front of her - this person's life. Also, I think she prefaces that with "when I wasn't feeling too lonely, I'd stare over his shoulder...." That's important, too, because again, Tony, who's right in front of her, is just as lonely and if she had seen that, then maybe they both could have helped each other. >I was just wondering if anyone here has heard of a Patty Griffin song >called "Tony"? ;-) >Mike No, can you hum a few bars? :-) Amy ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #63 ********************************