From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V2 #12 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttour.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com/road/index.html * and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V2 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, January 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 012 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Introductions [hakmusic@juno.com (Harry A Keates)] MM: Vote for your Faves in Folk_Music's Online Poll [kerry@nbnet.nb.ca (K] Re: MM: Introductions [Kashmyrkat ] Re: MM: Introductions [LeShawnte ] MM: My Introduction! As I jump on the Patty Party Wagon. [Puddini ] MM: RE: A question about the lyrics to Moses... ["Lou Scaruffi" ] MM: Re: Mad Mission ["Darrel & Deanna" ] MM: An Intro ["S. Steffen" ] Re: MM: A question about the lyrics to Moses... [Shawna9775 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:52:29 -0500 From: hakmusic@juno.com (Harry A Keates) Subject: MM: Introductions Hi everyone, I'll join in on the intriductions. My name is Harry, and I have already met many of you either through the Dar Williams list or tape trading. I discovered Patty when new friends of ours gave us her CD. They had met her through a friend of theirs who plays guitar for Patty on occassion. I was stunned from the first moment I heard it. Patty is a unique artist for me because I usually focus on the lyrics as much as the music, but with Patty, I was so in love with the sound I didn't pay attention to the lyrics at all. After listening the album many times, I still didn't know any of the words other than the obvious ones. Listening to the words and understanding the songs was like discovering her all over again. My whole family loves to listen to Patty, especially my 2 year old daughter who is a huge Patty fan. She asks us to play Patty all the time and can recognize any of Patty's songs before she sings the first words. Her favorite song is Snake swimming (Forgiveness) and she completely melts whenever it comes on. Her other favorite artists are the Indigo Girls, Dar Williams, Moxy Fruvous, Shawn Colvin, Greg Greenway, Squeeze, Bethoven, and Rafi. Which, with a couple exceptions, is pretty similar to my list. Finally, on the Indi/Demo tape. I know there are a lot of us here who would love to have a copy of this tape. If anyone has the tape and is willing to share it with the others, maybe we could set up a tree for it? I think that would be a great first project for the list. Thanks for listening, Harry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:16:48 -0400 From: kerry@nbnet.nb.ca (Kerry Bernard) Subject: MM: Vote for your Faves in Folk_Music's Online Poll For those not on the Folk_Music list, I thought I'd pass this along. Kerry :) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: Krista Reymann Subject: Announcing the Top Ten Poll On behalf of folkmusic.org, Stephen Spencer and myself, I'm pleased to announce the opening of the annual folk_music Top Ten poll. This is your chance to vote for your favorite 1997 releases, favorite new discovery, favorite performer, favorite album of all time, favorite festival and more! The URL is listed below. Just hop to the home page and follow the directions. Please note you may submit your votes only once, even if you have more than one email address. You'll notice one big change from previous years: though it's a top ten competition, you only get to vote for five, making the competition a little tougher (you can still post your top ten to folk_music)! http://www.folkmusic.org/folkvote97/ Please let us know if you have any questions. You can reach me at the address above, or Stephen at spencer@cgrg.ohio-state.edu. Big thanks go to Stephen for doing all the work to pull the website together. Happy voting, Krista ------------------------------------------------------------------ "A successful person is one who lays a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her." -David Brinkley ------------------------------------------------------------------- http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/classic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:45:02 EST From: Kashmyrkat Subject: Re: MM: Introductions In a message dated 1/14/98 10:27:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, hakmusic@juno.com writes: << Finally, on the Indi/Demo tape. I know there are a lot of us here who would love to have a copy of this tape. If anyone has the tape and is willing to share it with the others, maybe we could set up a tree for it? I think that would be a great first project for the list. >> I'd be happy to help out as a branch if this happens :-) Tammy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:28:07 EST From: LeShawnte Subject: Re: MM: Introductions In a message dated 98-01-14 10:27:50 EST, you write: << Finally, on the Indi/Demo tape. I know there are a lot of us here who would love to have a copy of this tape. If anyone has the tape and is willing to share it with the others, maybe we could set up a tree for it? I think that would be a great first project for the list >> I'll second that!!! and your daughter has some pretty good tase :) Forgiveness is a most blessed tune!! Shawnte' "Love is not blind, it sees more not less, But because it sees more, it's willing to see less." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:10:07 EST From: Puddini Subject: MM: My Introduction! As I jump on the Patty Party Wagon. Hey yall! I thought that I would introduce myself, like everyone else, because I'm a poser. :D I'm Erica Lynn Cavallo ... the 1st... but most of the people I know, call me... The Great Puddini !!!!! For the reason of my strong like of pudding and giving pudding. I am 17 11/12, a pisces, and I enjoy long strolls in the park, jumping up and down on one leg, and falling ... A LOT. :) Um... Rachel inrtoduced me to Patty Griffin on the way to Great Adventure riding in Ted's SuperTruck(tm), and then a week later I saw her with Rachel in a BARN! Really.. it WAS a barn. It was awesome. :) I'll be attending the Boston show... I'll be the one in the Bright Yellow Halo Hat(tm) and trench coat, probably doing something strange. ;) Hope to see yall there. :) Erica :) PS... You know, I was thinking... of calling the group, Patty People... but then that would be PP ... and I wouldn't want to be called PP... so scratch that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:46:16 -0400 From: kerry@nbnet.nb.ca (Kerry Bernard) Subject: MM: A question about the lyrics to Moses... We haven't really delved into the whole "what does Patty's music mean?" area, as yet, but I have a question and thought I'd toss it out. When I first started listening to LWG and singing along, there was one line in Moses that, unbeknownst to me, I always sang wrong. It was only when I looked at the lyrics that I saw my error. I was singing, "a best friend who isn't here" not "a best friend who is queer." I have to admit, when I saw the actual lyric, I was a bit taken aback. Queer? Maybe it's a regional thing but it my neck of the woods (eastern Canada), that's an extremely derrogatory word for gay. Admittedly, some of my gay friends say it themselves, jokingly ("Yeah, I'm queer!") but I would never say it about someone, for some reason. It feels insulting, but I can't really articulate why. So, do you guys think she means it as "a best friend who is homosexual" or "a best friend who is kinda weird"? Seeing as it's a best friend, I suspect it's not intended to be derrogatory but, as I said, that's just always the association I've had with it. What do you guys think? Kerry :) p.s. And thanks for the Sweet Lorraine tabs, Jenna- I've been playing it all afternoon! ------------------------------------------------------------------ "A successful person is one who lays a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her." -David Brinkley ------------------------------------------------------------------- http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/classic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:39:11 EST From: Liz 10 Subject: MM: My First Posting! Hiya MMer's I found out about this list through someone's web site on the folk webring. I saw Dar Williams in Atlanta the 7th and while i was talking to her after the concert she told me that I look like Patty Griffin. I was so excited!! I must get back to studying. Au revior, ~Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:20:39 -0600 From: "Lou Scaruffi" Subject: MM: RE: A question about the lyrics to Moses... I think this is a very interesting question. My guess is that she means homosexual. I'm from the San Francisco area (now in Texas). I don't see queer as extremely derogatory. I think it can be used in a derogatory manner, surely. But I don't see it on the same level as "faggot". I agree that I would feel uncomfortable using it to someone who wasn't a friend. But in the song I think it works BECAUSE he is her best friend. Although, I'm not gay I don't find it offensive. Others? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Kerry Bernard > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 12:46 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: A question about the lyrics to Moses... > > > We haven't really delved into the whole "what does Patty's music mean?" > area, as yet, but I have a question and thought I'd toss it out. > > When I first started listening to LWG and singing along, there was one line > in Moses that, unbeknownst to me, I always sang wrong. It was only when I > looked at the lyrics that I saw my error. I was singing, "a best friend who > isn't here" not "a best friend who is queer." I have to admit, when I saw > the actual lyric, I was a bit taken aback. Queer? Maybe it's a regional > thing but it my neck of the woods (eastern Canada), that's an extremely > derrogatory word for gay. Admittedly, some of my gay friends say it > themselves, jokingly ("Yeah, I'm queer!") but I would never say it about > someone, for some reason. It feels insulting, but I can't really articulate > why. So, do you guys think she means it as "a best friend who is > homosexual" or "a best friend who is kinda weird"? Seeing as it's a best > friend, I suspect it's not intended to be derrogatory but, as I said, that's > just always the association I've had with it. > > What do you guys think? > > Kerry :) > > p.s. And thanks for the Sweet Lorraine tabs, Jenna- I've been playing it all > afternoon! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > "A successful person is one who lays a firm foundation > with the bricks that others throw at him or her." -David Brinkley > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/classic > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:07:55 +1100 From: Inglis Subject: MM: Introductions Hey everyone, I only joined the list a couple of days ago and it seems to be good timing as there seems to be a lot of introductions going on, so I'll just crash the party and join in. My name is Jess Inglis and I live in Melbourne, Australia and I'm a film student at Monash University. I'm in my summer holidays at the moment and in March will start my third and final year. Oh god. Then what do I do! I was introduced to Patty by a friend of mine that lives in the States and when my Dad made a trip over there late last year, I handed him some cash and said, "Don't re-enter Australia unless you're bringing Patty back with you". He fulfilled his duty. I love this album so much, it's hard to explain in words. One thing that I do know about Living With Ghosts is that it's the only CD that I have that I actually have to turn the volume down on when I have to turn the volume up on other CD's. Patty's voice is just that strong. What else do I listen to. Alanis Morissette, Sarah McLachlan, Ani DiFranco, Fiona Apple, Shawn Colvin, Patty Griffin, Jewel, Amanda Marshall, Chantal Kreviazuk, Dar Williams, Sheryl Crow, Joan Osborne, Sam Phillips, Patti Rothberg, Paula Cole, Natalie Merchant, Eleanor McEvoy, Tara McLean, Abra Moore, Ben Folds Five, Holly Palmer, Crowded House, Tonic, Leonardo's Bride, Dave Matthews Band, Matthew Sweet, You Am I, Mighty Mighty Bosstones. I've been in a big funk mood lately, so alot of James Brown has been passing through my CD player. I've been able to find tabs/chords to many Patty songs, but as you would know it, I have'nt had any luck in locating the chords or tabs to my two favourite songs, Every Little Bit and Mad Mission. I think that's how it's supposed to work though. You like something, of course you're not going to find it. What do you get instead. The tabs to Funky Cold Medina or something. So I was wondering, if anyone has the chords/tabs to either or both of these songs, would they please be a shining light and send them to me. I would appreciate it immensly. And if you send me Funky Cold Medina, then no cookies for you :P Nice to be here, Jess :)) - -- Current obsessions: - - Matthew Perry (past, present and future) - - James Brown - - Summertime by The Sundays - - Potato and leek soup "Look in my bed and I'm bound to be sleeping, I'm lying there dead, but I'm breathing". - - Lisa Loeb "I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you gotta live light enough to see the humour and long enough to see some change - - Ani DiFranco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:08:41 -0800 From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: MM: Re: Mad Mission David- Thanks so much for the Mad Mission tab. Darrel (So.CAL) elcid24@gte.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:45:50 -0600 (CST) From: "S. Steffen" Subject: MM: An Intro Hi Patty listers! I know many of you from the Dar list or the IG list, but a short intro: I'm an art history grad student at the University of Iowa in Iowa City; I'm from Kansas City, Missouri, and I have red hair. Not as long or curly as Patty's, but red nonetheless... A Darlister by the name of Chris Tilden, who lives in Lawrence and whom I met for lunch whilst in Kansas City over winter break 1996-97, pushed Patty Griffin for months before I finally ordered the cd from my friends who run a small environmental/queer store in Iowa City. That exorbitantly priced cd ($17.50 before tax) was well worth every penny! I wish she would come here, or near here--Ann Arbor being not quite near enough, unfortunately, especially in treacherous January--because I adore LWG and would love to hear her live. My only quibble with the album is, indeed, the very line Kerry pointed out as questionable. Anyone who has "a best friend who is (a) queer" is damned lucky and should quit whining. ;-) I mean, that's what all of MY best friends say. Are we supposed to feel sorry for the narrator because, aw, poor her, she can only get HOMASEXIALS as friends? I hope not. That line has always royally pissed me off (but not because "queer" is insulting, although many older folks do consider it that) due to its context. Other than this info...I teach freshman Rhetoric, have a cat named Linus, and am a Euro-American dyke with many wonderful t-shirts, now sadly put away for the deep freeze of an Iowa winter. Glad to be here! Hope this list continues to be an interesting place. I am highly interested in this Indie Tape which was mentioned by the inestimable Harry Keates, so let's get it going! - --Suzi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:54:45 EST From: Shawna9775 Subject: Re: MM: A question about the lyrics to Moses... In a message dated 98-01-14 22:11:06 EST, you write: << So, do you guys think she means it as "a best friend who is homosexual" or "a best friend who is kinda weird"? >> Well, Kerry, here are my thoughts: I think she's somewhat depressed in the song (duh)...she says she had to buy her own beer...and I'm pretty sure she's referring to a friend who is a homosexual. From personal experience, I feel that it is easier to talk to a friend who is homosexual about personal/difficult feelings...my homosexual friends are much more understanding and open...not to be stereotypical (sorry if I seem that way), but many have inner feelings that others don't understand, which, in turn, make them more understanding of others' feelings....am I making any sense? So to answer the question...I think she's referring to a homosexual with whom to discuss her emotions... Any other interpretations? Oh....and could you please post the TAB...no offense here! Thanks, Shawna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:59:55 -0800 From: "Darrel & Deanna" Subject: MM: Re: Intro and Sweet Lorraine Jenna- Thankyou for "Sweet Lorraine" chords/lyrics! Darrel ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V2 #12 ********************************