From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #384 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Sunday, November 10 2002 Volume 06 : Number 384 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: RE: The Gem Theater Tree [ShinesUpNice@aol.com] MM: Trading on the Internet vs. Tapes [Jack Levy ] Re: MM: Trading on the Internet vs. Tapes [Jon Crouse Subject: MM: Trading on the Internet vs. Tapes I'd like to pose a question for discussion: Why the attachment to tape trading -- and resistance to Internet trading? "Tape" trading (which is now usually done on CD) may be traditional and familiar, but costs money (shipping + materials) and time. With less effort, we could be trading these live shows over the internet in a variety of ways (FTP, HTTP, SCP, etc). Aside from saving the people on this list time and money, it would allow the trees to reach more people. One criticism against internet trading I have heard is that trading of full uncompressed files would take too long, and that compressed file formats degrade quality. Personally, I feel that a high-bitrate encoded MP3 (256kbps+, or a good VBR configuration) is perceivably CD-quality. But if this still does not satisfy the quality purists, there are several loss-less compressed file formats (e.g. "Shorten") that are specifically designed to be verified, decompressed, and burned to a CD-R with no loss in quality. (For more information on Shorten, check out etree.org.) For the people running the trees, I surely don't see technical barriers as being the issue. There seems to be several technically-inclined members of this group (e.g. Jennifer, owner pattygriffin.net) that would know how to get some of these internet trades up and running. And yes, I am volunteering myself as someone who could contribute to running some internet trees (although these "trees" would be flat). I have a web site and an FTP site with enough space to hold at least one compressed show at a time. Tape trading trees are still useful for reaching people who don't have a fast internet connection. But I speculate there are many people on this list with fast connections that would enjoy the benefits of trading over the internet. Thoughts? Jack jlevy@nyx.net On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:35:02 -0500 (EST), mad-mission-digest wrote: > 5 branches on this tree to start, and since it's autumn, the leaves are > falling rather slowly right now, so be patient. I'll take as many as can > sign up until Sunday night. Then look for the structure to be posted > here, > then children, contact your parents. IF YOU DO NOT OWN AT LEAST 1000 > KISSES, YOU MUST GO OUT AND BUY IT BEFORE YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS. > (and > one for your mother for being such a jack ass) The tree will sow from > someone > other then myself, so please be patient. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:26:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Crouse Subject: Re: MM: Trading on the Internet vs. Tapes Personally, I don't have a cd burner. and a recording that I download can only be played on my computer, and it's just not as useful or as fun that way. I dunno about buying a burner to save a few bucks postage so I can tie up my machine downloading entire albums at 28.8 Kbs...I wouldn't have any other use for a burner really, I just don't need one right now. For others, it might be a better deal, I don't know. Some of this stuff I don't think needs to be put out there where anyone can grab it, though...the artists deserve some kind of support and it's hard enough to ensure that they get it. I'd be concerned about how you protect the recordings. Jon Jack Levy wrote:I'd like to pose a question for discussion: Why the attachment to tape trading -- and resistance to Internet trading? "Tape" trading (which is now usually done on CD) may be traditional and familiar, but costs money (shipping + materials) and time. With less effort, we could be trading these live shows over the internet in a variety of ways (FTP, HTTP, SCP, etc). Aside from saving the people on this list time and money, it would allow the trees to reach more people. One criticism against internet trading I have heard is that trading of full uncompressed files would take too long, and that compressed file formats degrade quality. Personally, I feel that a high-bitrate encoded MP3 (256kbps+, or a good VBR configuration) is perceivably CD-quality. But if this still does not satisfy the quality purists, there are several loss-less compressed file formats (e.g. "Shorten") that are specifically designed to be verified, decompressed, and burned to a CD-R with no loss in quality. (For more information on Shorten, check out etree.org.) For the people running the trees, I surely don't see technical barriers as being the issue. There seems to be several technically-inclined members of this group (e.g. Jennifer, owner pattygriffin.net) that would know how to get some of these internet trades up and running. And yes, I am volunteering myself as someone who could contribute to running some internet trees (although these "trees" would be flat). I have a web site and an FTP site with enough space to hold at least one compressed show at a time. Tape trading trees are still useful for reaching people who don't have a fast internet connection. But I speculate there are many people on this list with fast connections that would enjoy the benefits of trading over the internet. Thoughts? Jack jlevy@nyx.net U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #384 *********************************