From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #313 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 22 2002 Volume 06 : Number 313 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Silver Bell ["Guy S. Kaiser" ] MM: a few questions and patty on etown in boulder sat 8-17 ["dana howery"] MM: ATO, Interscope, Silver Bell [Jerry Skomer ] MM: RE: ATO, Interscope, Silver Bell ["Connell, Michael P" ] MM: RE: ATO, Interscope, Silver Bell [Jerry Skomer ] MM: Re: NPC Darcie Miner ["* Darcie *" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:15:33 -0400 From: "Guy S. Kaiser" Subject: MM: Silver Bell I'll step in here after Scott. I've got a copy of Silver Bell (from mp3s only sorry) and will be willing to copy if you send me a blank disk with SASE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:50:54 -0500 From: "dana howery" Subject: MM: a few questions and patty on etown in boulder sat 8-17 i have a few questions: a lot of people are offering to make copies of silver bell for people. are any of these copies of the origional unreleased cd, or are they all made up of mp3s that people downloaded? when "living with ghosts" was released, it was after the studio versions of those tracks were rejected. do those tracks exist anywhere other than in some robber barron's....i mean record company vault? does someone have them? mary chapin carpenter recorded "my dear old friend" (written by patty) for the "we were young" soundtrack ( i don't know if it was actually in the movie or not; i don't believe most of the songs on the soundtrack were). it is a beautiful song. does patty ever sing it? i'm having a little trouble making out the last line of the song. what i can figure out is: (punctuation is mine, sorry) how will we smile, ever again i'm asking you sincerely..my dear old friend what do you say, is there a way..my dear old friend how will we laugh, just like before when there's water rising up to our door and we may never see each other again..my dear old friend will there be someone to remember the little place that we loved how the music played, all night and day through the window up above how the birds sang in the morning how the dog barked in the dark i guess that's nothin' much, but everything to us and that's what seems so hard how will we smile, ever again i'm asking you sincerely..my dear old friend - -----------------says we probably will...my dear..old..friend my dear old friend the dashes are the part i can't figure out. mcc's version is beautiful. i would love to hear patty sing it. when i was in boulder, colorado to see aimee mann on saturday, patty was in boulder (what luck for me!) to appear on a nationally syndicated radio program, "etown". i had never heard of it; it doesn't play in my town, but it plays on 150 stations nationwide. it's a music and entertainment show with sort of a theme of making the world a better place. they tape for 2 hours and then cull it down to an hour. patty sang 6 songs (chief, rain, making pies in the 1st part of the show; be careful, tomorrow night and mil besos in the 2nd part of the show) and the host, nick forster (formerly of the band "hot rize") interviewed her about her involvment with "concerts for a landmine free world". it was an interesting interview, though nick tends to try to lead his guests a little too much. they also interviewed a few people that had done notable things ( a lady that takes care of (thousands of) wild animals and reaclimates them, and a guy who manages a lot of smaller musical acts who changed his whole office building to solar power) and the blind boys of alabama also appeared on the show. they were inspiring! the sound during patty's performance was much better than the show i saw in st. louis a couple of weeks ago. they said the show would be on in about 6 weeks, if you live in a town that airs it. eventually, i guess the show will be online. they have a lot of previous shows archived, both in streaming and mp3 form. i just downloaded a show from earlier this year that has lucy kaplansky on it. patty had her red shoes on! great show! dana howery _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:05:49 -0700 From: Jerry Skomer Subject: MM: ATO, Interscope, Silver Bell Everyone: Mike wrote about his conversation with Patty's reps: "Also, they have taken note of the recent Silver Bell conversations and the talk about compensations to Patty for her work on Silver Bell. Interscope would probably frown upon Vector and/or ATO getting money for a CD they technically and legally own, and they (Vector) are happy to see that a better idea has surfaced and that being that the best way to support Patty is to buy and convince others to buy the albums that have been commercially released. Patty of course receives royalties from sales of those (more royalties from the ATO release) and, in their words...." Well, good. Mission accomplished, I suppose, if word is trickling back to Patty that the public loves her work on Silver Bell. And as I have said, I ultimately agree that it is best to support Patty is to purchase her released CDs. But you know what? Screw Interscope and their "legal" ownership of Patty's music. Why sit on the music, especially if as they contend it is not commercially viable? Why not release it to Patty or allow us, collectively, to purchase it? Hey, now there is a creative, if impractical, idea . . . Let's see if we can get Interscope to sell the music to the mailing list!! I'd be willing to put up some serious money for that opportunity, and perhaps we can cobble together a loose consortium to purchase the music and give it back to Patty for $1.00. What a funny idea. It'd sure make the trade papers! Kinda like a "Man bites dog" story. Does this mean that we should send Patty cash directly? Unfortunately, probably not. Everyone is so afraid of lawyers these days, music lovers included. If I thought for a moment that others would join forces, then I would say, "bring it on"--it'd be a fun fight. But I can see the writing on the wall, and do not care to be an army of one in this crusade. Interscope has their heads up their butts and the thought of them being unhappy makes me ecstatic. They could give a crap about good music and they are morally bankrupt in my opinion and should go off and die a quiet death, leaving the public their music "vault" in a bequest. Anyone care to speculate on how much it would take to purchase the masters from Interscope? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:22:52 -0400 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: RE: ATO, Interscope, Silver Bell About "Silver Bell", Jerry asked: > Anyone care to speculate on how much it would take to purchase the masters > from Interscope? A few hundred thou at least I would guess. Like a quarter of a million or maybe much more. Even if I'm way off, I am nearly certain it's much, much more than the few hundred of us mad-missioners can afford. Otherwise Patty herself would have bought the masters, or maybe ATO/Dave Mathews. Interesting post though :) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Re: ATO, Interscope, Silver Bell I think Wilco had to pay $50,000 for the Yankee Hotel Foxtrot masters, so I doubt it would be that much. Sean On Wed, 21 August 2002, "Connell, Michael P" wrote: > A few hundred thou at least I would guess. Like a > quarter of a million or > maybe much more. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:42:45 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Next single, possible UK tour, TV special, preferred seating & more Mike, "Most Added" refers to radio-charting in trade magazines (specifically R&R) where a single has a pre-suggested "Add Date" for stations who report spins to trade magazines, so that the single may create a nice debut splash by having the most number of chart-reporting radio stations report that they added the single in the same week with the most spins, usually happening the first or second week a single comes out. So the "most added" list usually indicates heavy charting potential and strong momentum... which catches the eyes of music directors who are planning their playlists and thinking about what would be good to add the next week and so on. Looks to me like Chief will be a nice chart climber. Mimi :-) In a message dated 8/20/02 7:40:15 PM, ducksoup@quackquack.net writes: << The next single is "Chief" and it has been released and it was "the #2 most added record this week", whatever exactly that means. I have an idea but I am sure it's not totally right. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:52:10 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: ATO, Interscope, Silver Bell The price of anything held for ransom is relative. LOL! Seriously though...what a record might cost for the artist or anyone else to buy back would be mostly based on what it cost to make, influenced by how bad Interscope wants to sell out of it. If Interscope REALLY thought the record had no future potential, they would be more interested in selling it at a loss just to be able to recoup some of what they spent. The fact they are holding onto it kinda tells me they are holding on out of curiosity for possible future release somewhere down the line should the temperature of radio change enough to welcome such a diverse album. OR they could be holding onto it (as Mike suggested in his email) to see Patty's monitary value increase with fame, and sell it to another label to release for a sizeable profit (probably more likely). Just my guess. Mimi :-) In a message dated 8/21/02 11:36:03 AM, beccasean@peoplepc.com writes: << I think Wilco had to pay $50,000 for the Yankee Hotel Foxtrot masters, so I doubt it would be that much. Sean >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:07:23 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Darcie Miner I just got the Darcie Miner cd in the mail, and I really like it. But umm...did I get the right one? 6 songs 25 min...? - -Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:05:52 -0700 From: Jerry Skomer Subject: MM: RE: ATO, Interscope, Silver Bell Hi Mike: Yeah, I was thinking that I would be in the neighborhood of a few hundred thousand dollars . . . but even so, why hang on to it? Is Interscope hoping that Patty becomes famous and then they can trot out their CD? To their way of thinking, everything has a price. The reason I asked the question of how much is that once a number is on the table, then all sorts of things MIGHT happen. Who knows maybe Michael Jackson's people will step in and we'll be hearing Patty's material on Pepsi Commercials (but with Brittany performing the songs of course). So, you never know . . . Maybe you can ask your friends at ATO or whoever it was who contacted you if they have a sense of the asking price . . . I know that nothing much will come of this, but then again, it is the stuff dreams are made of . . . And it doesn't hurt to ask, as it shows interest in the material . . . Care to go the next step? People will think you're a nut, but who cares really? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:18:33 -0400 From: "* Darcie *" Subject: MM: Re: NPC Darcie Miner Yeah that's all. That's all we could put out for now, er, allowed to put out. The rest of the CD wasn't done yet, and people have been waiting forever for a new release. Thank you for buying it!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope you enjoy it more and more!!!! Thanks, ~darc - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Zwick Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:14 PM To: mad-mission Subject: MM: Darcie Miner I just got the Darcie Miner cd in the mail, and I really like it. But umm...did I get the right one? 6 songs 25 min...? - -LisaGet more from the Web. 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