From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #299 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, August 9 2002 Volume 06 : Number 299 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: The Antigone Rising Post [FlamingRed74@aol.com] MM: patty in st. louis ["dana howery" ] MM: Dar Williams trade [beccasean@peoplepc.com] Re: MM: patty in st. louis ["Rob Hanning" ] Re: MM: Dar Williams trade [David Tumbarello ] Re: MM: Dar Williams trade [beccasean@peoplepc.com] Re: MM: Dar Williams trade ["dana howery" ] Re: MM: npc: Dar Williams trade ["dana howery" ] MM: Chicago: a manly man, a cell phone, & a meeting ["Rob Hanning" Females that rock....ANTIGONE RISING blows all of those people you listed > away.... Wait a second.. let me get this straight.. You've actually heard EVERY artist that was mentioned during that discussion..??? There would be no way to make such a broad statement unless you had. You must be the only person in the world who has actually had THAT much time to listen to music.. Let's presume you HAVE listened to that much music. Let's say you've even travelled the world to hear the many regional artists that were listed as well. Why the hell are you wasting your time doing that if Antigone Rising is the greatest thing to grace god's green earth since sliced bread?? I mean, if they're that stellar, it would be a waste of time to do ANYTHING else in your spare time other than attending their concerts, wouldn't it? ... or are you just being facetious by saying they "blow away all those listed"?? I for one had actually heard quite a few of the mentioned artists, but that still only accounts for maybe one-third (or 33%) of all those that were listed. Given that percentage, I would feel quite foolish to say that my personal favorites from the list "blow all those other people away". I haven't heard well over HALF of them! I'm usually doing the defending, not the lashing out around here. Just letting you know though, that when you make comments like that, it's tough to take you seriously. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:11:44 -0500 From: "dana howery" Subject: MM: patty in st. louis i saw the show with my son on wednesday night at the pageant. what an awesome performance. patty and the band were so great. the only time i have seen her before (i'm a recent fan) is on the conan o'brien show. there her hair was ...messy, she had a shapeless dress. she looked tired and nervous she sang "rain", beautifully, but the only time she really looked good was when she smiled at the end of the song, and that changed her appearance entirely. at the concert she seemed giddy and bubbly. she had on a beautiful dress (i can't describe it, mostly black)and had her hair tied back. she was really "on" all night. she really communicates with the audience. i enjoyed her "hand movements" and how she really got into playing her guitar. it seems to me that she and her band really have a rapport. it feels like there is a lot of love up on that stage. i agree with the other review about the sound mix being bad. i have read here from others that felt that the band was trying to drown patty out. this is an inexpert opinion, but perhaps this has been the problem before. whoever is mixing the sound is not putting her voice high enough. there was a soundboard behind me that wasn't being used; there was someone off stage mixing the sound. i don't see how they can tell how it's going to sound out in the audience from the side of the stage. also i felt the volume was way too high for this kind of music; it sounded like "rock show" volume. my son seemed to enjoy the concert, even though this is not his type of music. he (and i) also enjoyed elisa....i mean eliza gilkyson. i had an album of hers years (and years) ago, but i din't really like it then. she is very funny. perhaps that's why patty wasn't introduced; she didn't want the guy to mess up her name. now i want to state my opinion on a couple of things. i know i am a cranky, old, antisocial wierdo that should live off in the woods in a cave(and probably will someday). i went to a lot of rock concerts in my "youth" and i don't go any more. my tastes have changed and i can't stand all the noise, the crowds, and the "standing up" for the entire concert (at least they don't do that at "folk" type concerts). the minor complaint is: why do people holler out requests constantly? it's obvious that, while she varies it from night to night, patty has a set list and she goes by it. of course, i have only been to one concert, but it doesn't look like she does requests. the big thing is: what is with all of this high pitched, ear splitting, shrieking, screaming and whistling? what is the point? is this just uncontrollable enthusiasm? this is the kind of thing that your parents were suppossed to teach you as a child: self control. of course everyone wants to cheer and clap, but is this shrieking the only way you can express yourselves? do you just do it because you can ( i can't but i hope i wouldn't do it if i could)? does it make you part of the show? i think it is rude, unpleasant, and disrespectful of the audience and the performer. do you somehow feel that patty is appreciative of you drowning out her singing with these blood curdling screams? i particularly hate the screams that come right after some woman (they pretty much have a monopoly on the screaming part) recognizes a song. okay, you paid your money; you have the right to make all the noise you want, but i came to hear the music. that's what i have always gone to concerts for. i can't understand people that just come to make a lot of noise. can't you just "cheer" and applaud warmly, BETWEEN the songs? this is just one "crank"s opinion, but i think that would make it a better experience for the audience and performer. this is a one time rant. i just wanted to get it off my chest. if i ever see patty again (and i hope i do), you won't see this again. it was a terrific show. i love that accordion. dana howery _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Dar Williams trade I know it is blasphemous on this list to say this (I know because I haev said it before) but I really don't like Dar Williams. I have tried to listen to the Honesty Room many times, and just can't get into it. Rather than let it collect dust on my shelf, I am going to offer it up for trade. I'd like to trade it for another studio album by any of the listed artists (or others - send me a proposal, who knows? I like a lot of different stuff) Please e-mail me off-list, and I will let the offer sit there for a little while and get back with you after the weekend sometime. Anyway, I am really looking for anything alt-country or indie and specifically: Fred Eaglesmith Star Room Boys Original Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers Doug Sahm Guided by Voices most anything on Lost Highway Records most anything on Bloodshot Records most anything on Yep Roc records Mark Lanegan Shuggie Otis Magic Sam Chocolate Genius Blackalicious kyuss barbara manning or the go-betweens anyway, you get the point, just send me any kind of offer, I'm sure that you will like this CD, since I am the only one on Earth who does not. Sean ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:55:05 -0500 From: "Rob Hanning" Subject: Re: MM: patty in st. louis >From: "dana howery" >Subject: MM: patty in st. louis >she had on a beautiful dress (i can't describe it, mostly black) The center section, from neckline to waist, was made up of what I can only describe as homemade quilt squares. It was pretty neat. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:34:47 -0700 (PDT) From: David Tumbarello Subject: Re: MM: Dar Williams trade Sean, I don't have a trade for you, but I wish I could give you a little pill that would help you with your self-esteem. You are welcome to this list whether or not you like Dar Williams. We go over this issue so much--in our talk about Jewel or 1000 Kisses or whatever. What you like is what you like. I like vanilla ice cream and can't stand chocolate. But I respect someone's right to like chocolate ice cream. It is that simple. So don't apologize for what you don't like. DT - --- beccasean@peoplepc.com wrote: > I know it is blasphemous on this list to say this (I > know because I haev said it before) but I really > don't > like Dar Williams. ....... since I > am > the only one on Earth who does not. > > Sean > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: Dar Williams trade No need for esteem pills, but after the Jewel uproar (and several off-list e-mails) I have come to the conclusion that self-exposition is the key to a happier Mad Mission. I've been on the list for a couple of years now, and feel that this is the safest way to keep the "you are so full of hate, why don't you just leave the MM list" e-mails to a minimum. Thanks for the offer though. Sean David Tumbarello wrote: > > Sean, > > I don't have a trade for you, but I wish I could > give you a little pill that would help you with your > self-esteem. You are welcome to this list whether or > not you like Dar Williams. > > We go over this issue so much--in our talk about > Jewel or 1000 Kisses or whatever. > > So don't apologize for what you don't like. > > DT ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:13:42 -0500 From: "dana howery" Subject: Re: MM: Dar Williams trade i took what sean said as a "figure of speech", and not really an apology or a lack of self esteem. >From: David Tumbarello >To: beccasean@peoplepc.com >CC: madmission >Subject: Re: MM: Dar Williams trade >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:34:47 -0700 (PDT) > >Sean, > > I don't have a trade for you, but I wish I could >give you a little pill that would help you with your >self-esteem.....So don't apologize for what you don't like. > >DT > > >--- beccasean@peoplepc.com wrote: > > I know it is blasphemous on this list to say this (I > > know because I haev said it before) but I really > > don't > > like Dar Williams. > >....... since I > > am > > the only one on Earth who does not. > > > > Sean _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:12:57 -0500 From: "dana howery" Subject: Re: MM: npc: Dar Williams trade i don't want to trade you anything, but i just wanted to say that i don't like dar williams either. so you are not the only one. i do like cry, cry, cry. i am a big fan of lucy kaplansky's (i go to lucy concerts as often as a lot of people on this list go to patty concerts) and richard shindell's. but there is just something about dar's voice, mannerisms and songs, that i don't like. as part of a group (cry,cry,cry) she is...better. dana howery >From: beccasean@peoplepc.com >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: Dar Williams trade >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:41:48 -0700 (PDT) > >I know it is blasphemous on this list to say this (I >know because I haev said it before) but I really don't >like Dar Williams. I have tried to listen to the >Honesty Room many times, and just can't get into >it................................. I'm sure that you will like this CD, since I am >the only one on Earth who does not. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:48:46 -0500 From: "Rob Hanning" Subject: MM: Chicago: a manly man, a cell phone, & a meeting Yesterday's Patty experience started out with a rather awkward encounter, and ended with a very satisfying one. I got to Fitzgerald's far too early, and had just parked across the street...still sitting in the car listening to the end of "Silver Bell". As the song ended & I shut it off, I looked up in the rear-view, and who did I see but Eliza walking down the street behind me. I could see that there was another person with her, but...? As they passed my side window, I could see that it was indeed Ms. Griffin. Whatever should I do? My windows were already up, so rather than yell at them, and look like a dork, I tapped lightly on my horn (and probably still looked like a dork). They turned around & I waved, but they kept walking, and I wasn't about to go chasing them down the street. I couldn't have been much closer last night unless Eliza & Patty were sitting in my lap. Those of us in the front (me, Don, Sandi, Jen...anyone else?) were as close as close could be. Sandi & Jen got what should be some excellent photos...let me know how they turn out, ladies, please. I had a great time talking w/ everyone. It's so nice to talk w/ people who know the score, so to speak. Eliza claimed she needed a "manly man" to open her bottle of water, and handed it to me. Like she couldn't open her own water bottle...but hey, who am I to argue, right? She had another good set, and the crowd seemed to enjoy her. Patty's set started out with a setback. No guitar in the monitor...so she had a seat at the side of the stage while Doug, Roy (her sound man), and the guitar tech tried to figure it out. (I think I cursed them...Don & I had run into the 2 techs at a pizza joint before the show, and I mentioned to them a show I was at about 3 wks ago where the sound totally dropped out twice in the middle of a song.) It finally came back on (though they still seemed baffled by it), and she started over. At one point, someone's !@#$ cell phone went off just as Patty was starting a song. She stopped & said 'You can't have the cell phone going off unless it's in key...it's gotta be in the key.' This prompted a story about her doing a Springsteen cover somewhere, and having someone's phone keep going off that just happened to be in time & in tune with the song. The show was great...but then again, when is it not? Maybe I am a dork, but it's kind of cool to have a set list in that very handwriting that we all recognize from the liner notes & disc face of LWG. It reads as follows: Be Careful Chief Rain Long Ride Home Making Pies Poor Man's House The Moon's Gonna Follow Me Home Flaming Red Good-bye Tony Truth #2 Mad Mission Mil Besos Encore: Let Him Fly Tomorrow Night Mary After the show, I talked with the bus driver a bit. We had talked before the Indy show as he waited inside the venue for a cab to his hotel, and when he saw me he said "You made it!" and shook my hand. I asked if he was looking forward to having a break, since the tour is almost over. He said he really isn't --- Patty is so laid back and nice to be around that he'll miss her when he has to move on to some other artist who drives him up the wall. Kind of a nice thing to hear. After walking a bit w/ Don & sending him on his way home (the odyssey is finally over, huh?), I decided to go back to see if I could catch Patty on her way out. It was less than 10 minutes until the tour manager came leading her out. I had talked to him before the Indy show as well, so I asked if I could say something, and they stopped. I shook her hand & introduced myself, thanking her for doing what she does, and told her how much "Long Ride Home" has meant to me over the past couple of months. Then I added, "Don't compromise...I like Silver Bell, whether anybody else does or not." The two of them both laughed at that, and I was on my way. Perfect way to end my little 3-show stint of the tour, don'tcha think? Later, all...Rob _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #299 *********************************