From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #290 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, August 3 2002 Volume 06 : Number 290 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: RE: The British NPC ["Matthew Smith" ] MM: Folkies who rock (NPC, pretty much) ["Adam K." ] Re: MM: Re: Re: Bette's version of Moses ["Lori Garvey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:14:12 +0100 From: "Matthew Smith" Subject: MM: RE: The British NPC something the few remaining aristocrats do a 11 o'clock. The first place I heard about it was on the first episode of the fresh prince of Bel air! EM - -----Original Message----- From: V Chenevey [mailto:vchenevey@socal.rr.com] Sent: 03 August 2002 03:10 To: Matthew Smith; Mad-Mission Subject: NPC: The British LOL! Hey, I was on that red bus last year! Ok, so it was full of tourists. Yes, us yanks are very provincial. How DO you stand us, especially on this list? Oh well, at least Gary Moore plays live in your homeland. And, do tell, what is "elevenses"? Victoria <<> Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 10:17:58 +0100 From: "Adam K." Subject: MM: Folkies who rock (NPC, pretty much) That was a great and really interesting article, but I do have some issues to raise: While I'm willing to accept that the Dylan Newport thing is a myth (despite having read the "other version", once again, in a Phil Ochs biography) how does this explain the reaction he got in Manchester in 1966? This is the legendary performance (only recently officially released) in which someone quite clearly yells "Judas!" (by the way, a little sidenote: my partner and I have a friend who went to the show with the guy who shouted this. Years later, this friend introduced me to Patty Griffin) and crowd heckles of "Sell out!" can be clearly heard throughout. I'm also a little wary about Amy Ray's statement about the reaction to "Come On Now Social" -- I was one of those who didn't think it was one of their better albums, purely because.....I just thought it was patchy. I got accused, by the Indigo Girls list, of all sorts of things for this heresy: One guy wrote to say "Well, if you don't like country music, you're going to be hard to please", while another wrote to say "You don't understand -- the girls just want to ROCK!!" As far as I was concerned, the girls had already rocked out on songs like "This Train Revised" "123", "Chickenman", so the harder stuff on "Come On Now Social" didn't take me by surprise -- the only thing that surprised me was their insistence that it was a "new direction", as if they were daring to do what no-one had expected them to do. It's a dramatic stance for an album that, IMHO, just isn't very good.(before I get flamed for this, I should point out that I think it contains at least two of their best songs, while also containing one of their absolutely worst). It gets strange when artists feel they have to loudly announce their intentions and label their music themselves: "Now we're doing this style; next album we're doing this". Two of my favourite male artists have fallen into this trap: Bob Mould, one of the greatest (IMHO) recently decided to do an electronic album, Modulate. The result is all but unlistenable: it bubbles, squeaks and squeals, (one track sounds like bagpipes being run over by a train) he uses the old pitch-shifting thingie on his voice (so I find myself, listening to Bob Mould, oddly reminded of Cher) and his voice and lyrics get lost in all the clatter and noise. But this, he declares, is his new direction. I can't help but feel that if he'd just integrated this newfound fascination with electronica a bit better (okay, not so newfound -- it turns up for one track in his previous release) then it would be far, far better. Peter Hammill, another one of my faves -- a few years ago decided to dub releases either "A Loud" or "B Calmed", while it was the diversity of his songwriting that has always been so appealing, the sheer dynamics of a slow, quiet tune that can take your breath away and leave you shaken, as well as a hard driving song that can leave you blissed out. I feel I've waffled here, so I'll throw in some kind of Patty comment: I'm glad people who saw Eliza Gilkysson open for her enjoyed her so much. This would be my dream ticket, and you guys are soooo lucky. I've mentioned her before, but I can't praise her album "Hard Times in Babylon" enough. This was recommended to me by, of all places, Amazon ("If you like Patty Griffin, you'll also like.....") and they were right. It's a bit more "country" than I'd normally like, but it ended up being one of my faves of the year. Okay, I'm done. Adam K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:19:34 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: Re: MM: Re: Re: Bette's version of Moses Ok - off to buy Melissa Ferrick's Cd - I saw her at the Boston Hatch Shell a few years ago and she was pretty good! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaffa Rasowsky" To: "V Chenevey" Cc: "mad mission" Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: MM: Re: Re: Bette's version of Moses > melissa ferrik is amazing.. > i'm surprised you heard moses and nothing else.. i'm a fan and haven't > heard moses-- i will hunt it down! > she is coming out wiht a new album soon, "listen hard," i haven't heard > anything on it yet, but for quick taste, drive, everything i need, & i > am done are great... i love the '95 release, "willing to wait".. eNjoy! > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, V Chenevey wrote: > > > Oh, but I love Melissa Ferrick's cover of "Moses". It rocks! And I wouldn't > > have imagined a rock n roll version of that song. (Maybe my imagination > > needs work!) Haven't heard anything else by Ferrick. Has anyone? > > Victoria > > > > > I heard it too and didn't like it either. I don't like Martina McBride's > > > version of "Goodbye" either. So far the only band I've heard cover Patty > > > that I like are The Dixie Chicks. I was just in the Time Does The talking > > > website looking at the soundtracks that she has songs on. Some of them are > > > pretty good. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:44:32 EDT From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty & Jules Shear "Windows & Walls" is actually one of my favorite songs- Actually the entire album, Between Us, features Jules performing duets with others (Paula Cole, Margo Timmins of Cowboy Junkies, Ron Sexsmith, etc etc) and is a really wonderful disc. I highly recommend it! My favorite is the tune he does with one of the Roches- fun stuff. :) peace, rick lt:etta james/burnin' down the house if i abstain from fun & such, i'll probably amount to much; but i shall stay the way i am, because i do not give a damn. -dorothy parker let's face it, kids... rick's homepage oy, with the poodles already! -lorelai gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:48:14 EDT From: Rif7f@aol.com Subject: MM: Covers and Elevenses So many of you are talking about those who cover Patty's songs and no one has mentioned Maura O'Connell's Wall and Windows! She covers three Patty tunes, I Wonder, Long Ride Home and Poor Man's House, and Patty is the backing voice on I Wonder. Maura is an Irish Nashvillian so there's a little bit of twang and a little bit of Irish. I really like this record and Maura does a great job with Patty's songs. But, of course, I prefer Patty singing her own stuff! Also, on the question of 'elevenses'.... I always understood elevenses to be a test every British child took at 11 to determine whether the child would be placed on the track for college or head for the trades. In true aristocratic fashion you just know at 11 whether you want to be a scholar or a carpenter! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:49:26 EDT From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: MM: Melissa Ferrick's "Moses" In a message dated 8/3/02 1:35:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org writes: > melissa ferrik is amazing.. > i'm surprised you heard moses and nothing else.. i'm a fan and haven't > heard moses-- i will hunt it down! Hiya- Melissa's version of "Moses" is on her 2001 release "Valentine Heartache". :) I agree that the Willing to Wait album is a great place to start with Melissa Ferrick- also her live disc Melissa Ferrick + 1 is very good indeed! rick again if i abstain from fun & such, i'll probably amount to much; but i shall stay the way i am, because i do not give a damn. -dorothy parker let's face it, kids... rick's homepage oy, with the poodles already! -lorelai gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:06:19 EDT From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: MM: Carrboro, NC (Finally) Patty played the Arts Center in downtown Carrboro last weekend. For those of you who have been to the Ark in Ann Arbor, that would be the closest comparison that I can give you as far as a venue type. It's a super-intimate place, with a few rows of setas up front, then some that incline going back to the walls, and they all kind of surround the front & sides of the stage. Anyway.. Patty played another amazing set. Probably my favorite of my "mini tour". She played the very best version of Moses that I'd ever heard. Just incredibly passionate throughout, with kind of softer, whispery singing at the end. You could tell the "steroids" were starting to wear off, as she wasn't quite as intense as the earlier 2 shows. What she lacked in intensity, she certainly made up for in passionate singing though, and just being more and more emotional as the night wore on. Don & I were right up front/center, again. Mere inches from Patty's mic stand. :-) It's so amazing being up so close to see her facial expressions as she Lives out her songs right there before your very eyes. I can't imagine that there is another artist that feels their songs like Patty Griffin. I can't remember precisely how she said it, but about halfway through the set she said something about "waking up and being grumpy all day.. but once I get up here and start singing, everything just goes away & I feel great". :-) It's funny, Don was grumpy all day too, and I had to put up with his general "grumpiness" all day..(just kidding Don) until Patty came out and started singing.. then he started feeling better too. There was a guy who showed up hoping to get an extra ticket. He drove over 4 & 1/2 hours to the show without even having a ticket! As soon as the doors opened up, I guess he left.. and it was only a few minutes later that a guy had 2 extras up for grabs. What a shame.. :-( On to Knoxville.. (almost a week after the fact.. LOL) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:15:08 EDT From: Gashlycrumb@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty Griffin - Southgate House Review - Aug.2nd, 2002 First of all, if anyone who was there was able to record this show.. PLEASE contact me. I would give away my first born (if Ihad one) for a recording. This was my first 'real' live Patty expierence. I haven't had a happier day before. She amazes me. Opener, Eliza Gilkyson: She sings excellent, and plays guitar beautifully. She was very funny, and talkative with the crowd. Her lyrics, were not my favorite. Filled w/ cliches, and etc. But, I am a sucker for a woman and a guitar.. so I enjoyed her a lot. Patty came on a little after 10pm. Bright red hair, and a beautiful red dress. The lighting was a bit annoying the first part of the show, but, only a slight distraction. Now, I am not a novice about sound.. so I can't say if they sounded a little off.. or anything. I think everything was amazing. Set List: Chief Rain The Long Ride Home Making Pies Be Careful Flaiming Red (this song ROCKS live!) Poor Man's House (solo) Following the Moon (solo) (Correct title?) Tony Goodbye Truth #2 Mad Mission Mil Besos Encore Let Him Fly Tomorrow Night Ruby's Arms (tom waits) People on the list have complained about the hand motions patty makes on state, but i thought they were wonderful. they were emotionally attached to the lyrics. they were fresh, they were real. I loved them! The audience was incredibly into Patty. Everyone was just taken by her vocals. The place was packed. (and, quite hot!) Hopefully, since she got such a wonderful reception, she will return soon. Patty live is a wonderful thing, and a wish come true. >smile< Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:33:24 EDT From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: MM: Knoxville, TN Last Sunday, I had the rare opportunity of seeing Patty play a church, or what is called the Laurel Theatre in Knoxville (it's really IS just a church). If my count of seats is correct, I counted about 220, which makes this place one of the very smallest venues I've ever witnessed Patty perform. It's Many details have already been posted.. but Patty made mention of the balcony towards the back of the room. She said that when she went to Catholic church growing up, that area was always filled with nuns who would sing so beautifully. She said how she always thought (as a child) that the nuns were angels beacause they were up there, and they could sing like that. She talked about singing along with them, and her mom would scold her and tell her to quiet down. Then she said she was oppressed from singing by her mother, so of course she grew up to do it for a living.. LOL Let Him Fly was a definite stand out song of the night.. I can't say that this one is normally one of my very favorites that Patty sings. I'd much prefer hearing something else from LWG (Not Alone, Every Little Bit, and You Never Get What You Want come to mind..), but this version of LHF was So good, I can't imagine anything being much better. She ended the set with Sweet Lorraine, which in my mind is the ONE song she should be obligated to play EVERY night.. :-) I know there are nights that she's probably not feeling it, but I've never heard a version of Sweet Lorraine that was not stunning, and I've never heard a version that didn't get the crowd in an absolute uproar. This is truly one of Patty's "signature songs".. and sometimes when she doesn't play it, it almost seems like something was missing from the show (just my opinion). Ok.. enough out of me. Sorry for the LATE review. I'm going to the free show in Pittsburgh tomorrow.. hopefully I can get that review in in a more timely manner... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 12:03:15 -0400 From: "Rebecca Simonelli" Subject: MM: Maura O'Connell covers Patty I'm always one to take a recommendation from the list since everyone here loves Patty (so I know you all have good taste!) So I went to CDnow to hear the Maura covers and see what that was all about. All I can say is that listening to her sing Patty's tunes called to mind what it might be like to listen to a warped LP under water with a head cold. Obviously no one does Patty like Patty herself, but that was just BAD. Blech. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Diane Aylsworth Subject: Re: MM: Maura O'Connell covers Patty I heard Maura live about 6 months ago... she's great to see live... wonderful personality and powerful songs. It was her Patty covers that I liked the best... that's what got me hooked on Patty. But I will agree w/ you Rebecca... Patty does them better, no doubt about it. But Maura's not all that bad! :o) Rebecca Simonelli wrote:I'm always one to take a recommendation from the list since everyone here loves Patty (so I know you all have good taste!) So I went to CDnow to hear the Maura covers and see what that was all about. All I can say is that listening to her sing Patty's tunes called to mind what it might be like to listen to a warped LP under water with a head cold. Obviously no one does Patty like Patty herself, but that was just BAD. Blech. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #290 *********************************