From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #197 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, May 16 2002 Volume 06 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #196 [MichaelMorris@webtv.net (Michael Morr] Re: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #196; John Prine [Jon Crouse ] MM: Charlotte PS ["Don Henn" ] MM: Asheville ["Don Henn" ] MM: Re: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #196 ["Gary Jacques" ] MM: Atlanta ["Don Henn" ] MM: Oberlin ["Don Henn" ] MM: Oberlin PS & overview ["Don Henn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:33:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MichaelMorris@webtv.net (Michael Morris) Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #196 Anyone on this list familar with Steve Earle or John Prine? I see their names often mentioned in conjunction with Patty's and I've been curious for awhile now. I've checked Prine out to the extent of his last album (IN SPITE OF OURSELVES which seems kinda brilliant). I was wondering if I should delve into his back catalog. As for Earle, I just need a good place to start.......anyone want to help? mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 04:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Crouse Subject: Re: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #196; John Prine John Prine has been writing great songs since our dear Patty was a pup...I would really recommend his Anthology more than anything else, if not go check out Prime Prine: The Best of John Prine (1976). It's a little old now and he's certainly recorded some nice things besides his "greatest hits" but it's a good place to get started... p.s. Many folks think Angel From Montgomery is a great Bonnie Raitt song...it's actually a great John Prine song :) "Writing is about a blank piece of paper and leaving out what's not supposed to be there." -- John Prine Michael Morris wrote: Anyone on this list familar with Steve Earle or John Prine? I see their names often mentioned in conjunction with Patty's and I've been curious for awhile now. I've checked Prine out to the extent of his last album (IN SPITE OF OURSELVES which seems kinda brilliant). I was wondering if I should delve into his back catalog. As for Earle, I just need a good place to start.......anyone want to help? mike LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #196 I'd start with Aint Never Satisfied (a two disc early career retrospective) and then pick up El Corazon and his other most recent ones. As for John Prine, as already metioned the Anthology is the way to go. Sean np-Cary Hudson On Thu, 16 May 2002, Michael Morris wrote As for Earle, I just need a good > place to start.......anyone want to help? > > mike ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:44:02 GMT From: Jon Schneider Subject: Re:MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #196 Anyone on this list familar with Steve Earle or John Prine? I'm a HUGE Steve Earle fan (he introduced me to Patty-recommending her as one of his favorite songwriters). I'm not sure what you like, but Steve Earle has an incredibly varied output. All of his earliest CDs (Guitar Town, Copperhead Road, Exit 0) are hard edged country. The best songs of that period are on Guitar Town (considered somewhat of a new country classic of the period). The Hard Way is probably more rock than country. The best stretch of his career came after he quit drugs in the early 90's. His comeback record, "Train A comin'" is a great down home acoustic bluegrassy CD. I love it. His next CD is called "I Feel Alright" and has rock, folk, country and lots of great songs. I consider it a classic. He followed that up with "El Corazon" which I think is even better, and may be the best place for you to start; it has pop, country, bluegrass, rock. I think I Feel Alright and El Corazon are sort of great Bruce Springsteen albums with a country bent and a southe! rn accent. His next release "The Mountain" is a collaboration with bluegrass greats The Del McCoury band. If you're into bluegrass, its great stuff, otherwise pass on it. His next CD Transcendental Blues basically continues in the vein of El Corazon, but with some more psychedelic, Beatlesesque songs. Its great stuff. His latest is called Sidetracks and contains a variety of tunes he did for soundtracks, etc. which never made it onto a proper Steve Earle CD. It has lots of covers and is a cool CD, but I'd start with one of his more proper releases before trying this one. That's probably a lot more info than you wanted, but I couldn't pass up such an opportunity to talk about Steve. As for John Prine, I'd start with either the early greatest hits CD or The Missing Years, which I think is the best of his later stuff. Good luck and have fun. There's nothing greater than discovering a great artist for the first time. Be well Jon If I died he'd hear about it eventually. Patty Griffin, Moses ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:38:24 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Charlotte PS MMers , Forgot to mention Patty's openers & a little note on stage presence. Allison Moorer & Tift Merrit. Both very attractive & talented young women , with excellent music & no perceived weak points. I leaned more towards Tift b/c she seemed more involved in her music & displayed a little more passion & vibrancy. Tift had a tendency toward pronunced stage movements that seemed to fit in with her act b/c her music carried the day. If I thought her music was mediocre , I think I would have perceived her movements as put-on or out of place. From my point of view , a musician's stage presence is effected by their music & their between-song banter. Patty's at the top of the former , and at least near it on the latter. I think it was at the Rams Head sometime after she said she screwed up another intro to "Be Careful" , that she said the band was thinking "don't talk , Patty , just don't talk " , & she was laughing that gleeful little laugh of hers. THAT is stage presence in my opinion. I'm not real big on "cool" people. I'm much bigger on real people. Nature's asking us to do The natural thing So come on baby Let your freedom ring Patty Griffin "Let Your Freedom Ring" Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:47:58 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Asheville MMers , The Diana Wortham Theater crowd was about as polite a crowd as I've seen.Wasn't sure if they didn't know when the song was over , or they didn't want to be the first one to break the silence , but it took quite awhile sometimes before the applause started. Set list ; Chief Rain Long Ride Home Making Pies Flamong Red / Patty & Doug Florida / Patty & Doug Poor Man's House / solo Racin' in the Streets / solo Tony Be Careful Mil Besos Mad Mission Top of the World Encore Let Him Fly / Patty & Doug Tomorrow Night / Patty & Doug Sweet Lorraine Met Andy Scheiner & his family. Turns out that 7-year-old son Ben is a Patty evangelical , pestering his young friends to listen. We're already grooming the next generation ! Andy already related the bubble story , but left out my favorite line. I was surprised to hear Patty emulate Ozzy's accent when she said ; "I can't do bubbles , I'm the Prince of Darkness , fa' crissake ". Slightly disappointed that none of my tour favorites were included ; "Ruby's Arms" , "Nobody's Crying" "Falling Down" , & "Goodbye" , but what she did was all top-notch. I don't usually mention a lot of the songs b/c I'm distracted by my personal highlights , but I look forward to almost every song she does , once it starts. I used to like "Making Pies" a lot more than I do now , but it's now eclipsed by most of her set. I think if Patty did all of my least favorite songs , I would still be anxious to hear them. I mentioned before how quickly she can change her range from one song to another , but I've been noticing lately that she does it a number of times during PMH , & a few other songs. From powerful & intense to whispery & sensual in a heartbeat. She's been doing "Tony" , "Let Him Fly" , & "Ruby's Arms" w/o a guitar during the tour , which kills my theory that her vocals are better when she plays guitar (especially "Ruby's Arms" ! ). You get tossed between The wicked and the wonder Suddenly you stop feeling Anything at all Patty Griffin "Off You Go" Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:17:05 -0400 From: "Gary Jacques" Subject: MM: Re: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #196 Steve Earle, that's easy.Start with Transcendental Blues. I would check out Richard Thompson as well. He is the male counterpart to Patty IMO. EG - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Morris To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 2:33 AM Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #196 > Anyone on this list familar with Steve Earle or John Prine? I see their > names often mentioned in conjunction with Patty's and I've been curious > for awhile now. I've checked Prine out to the extent of his last album > (IN SPITE OF OURSELVES which seems kinda brilliant). I was wondering if > I should delve into his back catalog. As for Earle, I just need a good > place to start.......anyone want to help? > > mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:56:59 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Nashville MMers , Showed up at the Slow Bar in Nashville with Sanders a day early, due to rumor that Patty might show for a surprise gig. Met Sanders friend & lister , Kevin , very interesting man who is also well connected to the Nashville music scene. Friends with Michael Fracasso , Julie Miller & others. Thanks to him & Sanders , I also met Michael himself , who knocked me out by saying he had seen my "work" & thought it was poetic. ( hold on there ego , you're not going anywhere , it's just one person's opinion ) I think my profile is getting a little higher than I wanted , or expected it to be. This ain't work. Work was at the Post Office for 37 years. This is fun. Patty didn't show. I hope it wasn't b/c she found out that the "bad penny" turned up again : ) The disappointment was dulled by a few excellent rockabilly bands , though. The 2nd one , "The Legendary Shack Shakers" , rocked the house. Talk about your stage presence ! I saw the lead singer before he took the stage , small , thin , glasses , & sort of meek looking. I've never seen such a transformation in my life. Screaming with a piercing voice , jumping , falling , slamming , & flailing. Outrageous , & great music too. They did one blues song that was as good as any I've heard , & their other songs were excellent. Watched him talking to Sanders after the show , & he seemed very calm , soft spoken & focused. We 3 met up for the Belcourt show the next day , along with Sanders' friend , non-lister Jennifer. When I came back from getting drinks , Sanders pointed out someone who was looking for a pair of "Flaming Red" boots. Turned out to be new lister Jhesi , whom I recruited to the the list recently , & talked into staying when she was disappointed with the flaming she got from our less tolerant members. Never made a better move in my life. A bright & delightful young lady who's a huge Patty fan , & has already , probably shared more of Patty's music with others than 95 % of our listers. Set list : Chief Rain Long Ride Home Making Pies Flaming Red Poor Man's House / solo Florida / solo Nobody's Crying Tony Be Careful Mil Besos Mad Mission Top of the World Encore Let Him Fly / Patty & Doug Tomorrow Night Ruby's Arms Probably a few oversights here , as FR & TN are almost always Patty & Doug. Was delighted that "Nobody's Crying" made it back to the set list , & I'm sure that Patty made mine, & a number of others nights , when she closed with "Ruby's Arms". I commented sometime after , that "Ruby's Arms" by Patty Griffin , will someday be a famous song , & my claim to fame may be that I've heard it live more than anyone outside of Patty's entourage. Then I amended , saying that it already is a famous song , as far as I'm concerned , & the rest of the world can catch up if they want. Saw Emmylou in the lobby. I imagine she catches any Patty show when she's in town. Also saw Kevin talking with an animated Julie Miller. Patty's got herself some great fans. I been eating contradictions Just like they was little snacks And getting all that fiction Confused with all those facts Patty Griffin "Holy Water" Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:02:49 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Atlanta MMers , After Jhesi decided that one Patty show was not enough ( I can relate to that ) & joined us for Atlanta on the spur of the moment , we piled into 2 cars , ( smokers & non ) & Went Off. Made a wrong turn early on , that cost us 20-30 minutes , but "leadfoot" Sanders ended up an hour ahead of us. Old home week at the Variety. Steve Capes was there with wife Barbara & others , Lee Andrew with brother Chris , & another friend or two. Matt Fotter finally made it , with a few friends , after running out of gas in SC. Set list : Chief Rain Long Ride Home Making Pies Be Careful Flaming Red / Patty & Doug Poor Man's House / solo You Never Get What You Want / solo Nobody's Crying Tony Goodbye Mil Besos Mad Mission Encore Let Him Fly / Patty & Doug Ruby's Arms Mary Great set , with 3 of my tour favorites , "Goodbye" , "Nobody's Crying" & "Ruby's Arms". Was surprised when Patty said she wrote "Making Pies" in Austin. The set did seem to affected by the loss of her friend. My perception was that "Goodbye" seemed to be most affected , but her eyes were glistening through a lot of the set. Hope the other people close to Patty are helping to fill the vacuum as time goes on. Today my heart is big and sore Tryin' to push right through my skin Won't see you anymore Guess that's finally sinkin' in Patty Griffin "Goodbye" Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:33:22 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Oberlin MMers , Was Patty's neighbor for a few hours , as the bus pulled up a few spaces behind my car , & I spent an hour or 2 in it , including a short nap , while it was raining. Diane mentioned that Patty walked by while she was in the car , so she probably walked past me too. Geez Patty , the least you could have done was knock on the window to wake me up , & wave : ) Was happy to have the show moved inside b/c of the rain , but had to wait an hour or two for the move , & sound checks. Set list : Chief Rain Making Pies Long Ride Home Be Careful Flaming Red Nobody's Crying Tony Ruby's Arms Mad Mission Encore Mil Besos Probably some oversights again , as I don't have anything marked solo or Patty & Doug. Didn't meet anyone or strike up any conversation before the show , so I was more focused than usual on the music. I anticipated a short set , but was not disappointed b/c it was another great show. Wonder if Patty could put on a mediocre show if she tried to ? There were a few things I've been noticing lately , & finally made a note of it. On a number of songs , "Be Careful" & "Nobody's Crying" during this show , she gets well into the song before the ensemble joins in. I like the effect Also happens in the middle of a song occasionally. I specifically recall a number of lines during one version of "Mary" where the music stopped. Liked that too. Met Diane after the show , & was stopped by a wide-eyed , excited young lady in the gas station who must have noticed me. Asked me if I loved Patty too , & said she drove from Louisville. When I said I was there , she said she'd see me at the next one in Birmingham. Can't let her down , can I ? You can't make somebody see With the simple words you say All the beauty from within Sometimes they just look away Patty Griffin "Goodbye" Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:24:04 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Oberlin PS & overview MMers , Didn't much notice most of the other acts , due to the rain , & the few weak acts I noticed during my occasional walks to Tappan Square. A number of acts were also cancelled due to the move. When they started inside , Patty was preceded by an excellent bluegrass band who's name escapes me , and Sloan Wainwright , who's great , operatic voice & demeanor seemed a little out of place in a pop setting. Also had a decent impromptu 3-act acoustic set in the auditorium lobby while waiting. Didn't pay fair tribute to Michael due to trying to cover so much ground in a short time. Since he was so consistent over the tour , I would have to give him the edge as best non-Patty act. Antigone Rising , & the female singer from Over The Rhine were in the same area. Them Shack Shakers were great , but didn't appear with Patty. "Chief" , "Rain" , FR , MM , PMH , TOTW , LHF "Tony" , & "Tomorrow Night" seemed to be the big crowd pleasers. Haven't mentioned "Rain" , "Long Ride Home" & "Be Careful" much , b/c they were about the same every night - uniformly great. Ain't nothing left at all In the end of being proud Patty Griffin "Long Ride Home" Don ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #197 *********************************