From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #175 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, May 2 2002 Volume 06 : Number 175 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: RE: The Keswick Show 5/2 [Stephen Golato ] MM: No Depression Article... [DM13DM@aol.com] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #174 [Amy Silver ] Re: MM: No Depression Article... [] MM: Final moments of "Flaming Red" [David Tumbarello ] MM: Ram's Head review - Tues Apr 30 ["graycoyote@yahoo.com" ] MM: Upcoming Tour Dates update ["Sanders" ] Re: MM: No Depression Article... [Danalee7@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:17:22 -0400 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: The Keswick Show 5/2 Where is the place you all are meeting at before the Keswick show? Is it the only bar across the street? Once inside, should I just look for someone wearing red boots to spot you all. :-) Or can you give me something more to find you? Can't wait 'till tonight. I just read a review where it said Patty played Florida. I hope she plays it tonight. And I'm anxious to hear how TOTW sounds with the other instruments accompanying Patty. See you tonight. Steve "Don't just exist. Live." *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:47:12 EDT From: DM13DM@aol.com Subject: MM: No Depression Article... There's a great article on Patty in this months No Depression magazine. A must read for all fans! It's much too long to post here (6 pages), so I decided to post it online. It took me 3+ hours (I'm a terrible typist) and all typos are of my own doing. I think I have carpal tunnel (sp?) now :) Enjoy. Discuss amongst yourselves. Take care, Bob http://hometown.aol.com/dm13dm/pattyinterview.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:01:00 -0400 From: Amy Silver Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #174 Thank you Dave, for articulating SOME of what makes Patty a genius, the best songwriter of her generation, and quite unique. It is much more interesting to me to hear WHY people are crazy over her than the endless chiming in of their opinions, supported not with insight but with invective. I was at the Birchmere last night too, sitting unfortunately on the side of the room, and had to keep running to the back to hear certain songs that I couldn't stand to hear sideways (Nobody's Crying, for instance). My fave intro of the night: "I grew up in Maine, and if you grow up in Maine and you don't go to college, you go to Florida." About Patty's presentation, it's hard for me to imagine someone who writes with such sensitivity, deep authentic feeling, and flat-out intelligence having a charming, "slicky-slick" (to quote Dave) stage presence. The two things just don't go together. What Patty has to express, she expresses with a simplicity and yet almost unparalleled sophistication in her songs, with their rich evocative lyrics, distinctively subtle tone, complex original melodies, and matchless, wide-ranging and endlessly nuanced vocals. Her insight into the human condition and her ability to move us is masterful. Why should we want clever patter from her? Thanks also for mentioning Long Ride Home, Nobody's Crying, and Top of the World. I could not have been more deeply into LWG or FR; I could never have imagined Patty writing songs that even equaled the masterpieces on those records, let alone surpassed them. Yet I think these 3 songs do just that. The only songwriters I could imagine comparing to her do not have her melodic gifts or her vocal ability. She is a true original and some day I am sure her genius will be widely recognized. Amy (got home from the Birchmere at 1:00 am and had too much caffeine this morning....) PS god bless the accordian player who took my 9-year-old son's poster & cd backstage & got Patty to sign it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:02:16 -0400 From: Subject: Re: MM: No Depression Article... Bob, Thank you SO MUCH for making this article available. The best article on Patty I've ever read, explains all about Silver Bell, her record company adventures, etc. Lots of questions answered! Thanks!! On Thu, 2 May 2002 11:47:12 EDT DM13DM@aol.com wrote: There's a great article on Patty in this months No Depression magazine. A must read for all fans! It's much too long to post here (6 pages), so I decided to post it online. It took me 3+ hours (I'm a terrible typist) and all typos are of my own doing. I think I have carpal tunnel (sp?) now :) Enjoy. Discuss amongst yourselves. Take care, Bob http://hometown.aol.com/dm13dm/pattyintervi ew.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:12:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Tumbarello Subject: MM: Final moments of "Flaming Red" I'm listening to Flaming Red with headphones on, and at the end of the song "Flaming Red" I hear a male voice that sounds like it is coming from a TV. I think I can pick out the words "Tonight Show". This is at the very end of the song, after Patty sings her last note. Does anyone know what words are being said by the mystery male voice? Does anyone know why this was placed here? One thing I totally enjoy on this CD is how the crashing, shaking "Flaming Red" transitions into the clear and playful "One Big Love". Music juxposition at its best. On an unrelated/related topic, I've been holding my tongue on this 1000 Kisses discussion, regarding where it stands in terms of her other work. I am going to make a statement that some of you might argue with: 1000 Kisses is one dimensional. Patty gives us one set of instuments, one personality in these songs, one type of writing, and sticks to it. Chief and Making Pies might vary slightly from this tone, but they don't provide the juxposition that "Flaming Red" and "Blue Sky" and "Wiggley Fingers" provide on the Flaming Red. Someone mentioned this last week, that the slower tempo songs on Flaming Red become richer because they are on the same CD as these songs that rock. I totally agree. DT Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:15:11 -0700 From: "Dave Doody" Subject: MM: Stage presence Thought I'd weigh in on the "stage presence" issue. To me, it's not about choreography or slick moves. It's about "owning" the stage - feeling comfortable up there and relating to the audience. My absolute favorite in this regard is Jonatha Brooke. She has a personality that sparkles on stage...she's not dancing a la 'NSync or anything. But you can tell she's having a great time and she loves being on stage and performing. When a performer looks uncomfortable, it makes (many in) their audience uncomfortable, IMO. But when someone really owns the stage, the electricity spreads through the room. I've only seen Patty a couple times, and both of them were earlier in her career, so it's quite likely that things have changed. But when I did see her, she didn't exude the kind of confidence on stage that I wanted her to. I would imagine that the years of touring since I saw her have helped. I can't wait to find out on June 3 in Seattle! :-) And even if she's still shy on stage, I'm sure I'll love hearing her voice live, as I have the other times I saw her... Dave P.S. For those looking for recommendations of great artists, try Jonatha Brooke. And if you get a chance to see her live, GO!!!!! :-) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "graycoyote@yahoo.com" Subject: MM: Ram's Head review - Tues Apr 30 Ram's Head Review - Tues, May 30th There have been a number of excellent reviews circulating about recent shows, so i think i can actually make this more concise than normal! Patty's show Tuesday was the second of two nights at the Ram's Head. From what she said, it was actually her third day in Annapolis, which she was enjoying immensely. It showed in her performance - not having to set up and play right after coming off the road made for a relaxed, comfortable evening. Our server seemed to think the Tuesday show was better - as she put it, "Monday she was on the stage, but tonight she was in the room." Methinks she was splitting hairs, as the reviews seem to indicate Patty has been 'on' every night! My first and immediate impression, with the opening notes of Mil Besos, was how wonderful it was to hear Patty with a band again! For me, it was the first time since the Flaming Red tour, and while her solo performance last year at the Ram's Head was wonderful, she is clearly raised to a higher level by having other musicians to play off of. With Mil Besos, it was clear we were being treated to an excellent sound mix, and that we would be in for a treat of an evening! Her current band is so sympathetic, and follows her quite effortlessly! I, for one, find Besos a brilliant selection, and her rendition points out how successfully Patty will continue to transition and grow artistically in the years to come. Here's the full set list: Mil Besos Chief Rain Long Ride Home Flaming Red Falling Down So Long Change Be Careful Making Pies Ruby's Arms Sweet Lorraine Nobody's Crying encore: Let Him Fly Mad Mission Mary I'm sure Don can help me with any titles I got wrong! For me, the standouts were Long Ride Home, Be Careful, Making Pies, and Mad Mission. She really wrapped herself around Be Careful, and she and the band were bouncing around so much on Mad Mission it reminded me of Victoria Williams! And So Long was quite a treat, to finally hear live after having been teased by the version on LFML. In closing, I have to wonder - is this the last time we'll be able to see Patty in a room so small and intimate? I really think we'll see her break through big this time (haven't we all said that before!) and i'm sure we'll follow her wherever she goes, but i'm still hoping we'll have that chance to make eye contact like before! - -Scott Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: Final moments of "Flaming Red"/1000 Kisses one dimensional? David, I am not going to argue with you, but I am curious as to your feelings of what is and isn't one dimesional. Is Neil Young's Silver and Gold one dimensional? He doesn't really bring any dynamic material to the table on the album. What about Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska? Dylan's Time Out of Mind? I think all of these are great albums, but they lack the juxposition that some of these artists' other album might have. Again, not arguing, just looking for dialogue. Do you think that an album is underachieving if it is in the vein of 1000 Kisses or Silver and Gold, as opposed to more dynamic albums? I think 1000 Kisses is one of the best albums of the year thus far, and like the fact that she is presenting a somewhat uniform persona on the album. It is a true album, not a put-together collection of songs. Notice that I didn't mention any artists I hate in this post, so I would appreciate it if those of who find it necessary to send me private E-mails telling me what a prick I am for "hating" Jewel or anyone else that you like, would take a sabbatical from such activities. I will not take your advice and "post more positive things becuase there is enough evil in the world." Sean np- gbv - your name is wild Dave wrote: I am going to make a statement that some of you might argue with: 1000 Kisses is one dimensional. Patty gives us one set of instuments, one personality in these songs, one type of writing, and sticks to it. Chief and Making Pies might vary slightly from this tone, but they don't provide the juxposition that "Flaming Red" and "Blue Sky" and "Wiggley Fingers" provide on the Flaming Red. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:30:45 GMT From: Jon Schneider Subject: Fw:Re: MM: Final moments of "Flaming Red"/1000 Kisses one dimensional ? While I understand the point of diversity making an album richer, I have to say its not much of a criticism. Joni Mitchell's Blue is arguably one=dimensional, but also a truly classic album. Is Blood On the Tracks one-dimensional? Bottom Line: 1000 Kisses is a GREAT album. I made a tape of it for my car with LWG on the back and I find myself wanting to forward through LWG to get to 1000 Kisses. My favorites: Be Careful, Nobody's Crying and Rain, but I love every song. My least favorite currently is Stolen Car--its way better than Springsteen's version (and I love Springsteen). Tomorrow Night and Mil Besos are gorgeous, but I think they're a big part of the reason for the criticism of 1000 Kisses. For those who aren't enamored with that style, the album does become short. Personally, I wish those 2 songs had been interspersed more into the record to force Patty fans to listen to them and grow to appreciate their beauty. >I am not going to argue with you, but I am curious as to your feelings of what is and isn't one dimesional. Is Neil Young's Silver and Gold one dimensional? He doesn't really bring any dynamic material to the table on the album. What about Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska? Obviously Nebraska is one-dimensional. Its a great album, but its way more one-dimensional than 1000 Kisses If I died, he'd hear about it eventually jon ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:40:04 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: MM: Final moments of First off, here's what is spoken at the end of Flaming Red: "Thirty years in Nashville, they're just getting started." Why it's there, I have no clue, although I know the album was recorded there. - --- What about Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska? Dylan's Time Out of Mind? I think all of these are great albums, but they lack the juxposition that some of these artists' other album might have. ---- This is exactly how I feel. I don't quite put 1,000 Kisses on the same plane as Nebraska (it's close), but it's that kind of stark album that's meant to, for the most part, convey a particular mood throughout. Sometimes that can be a beautiful thing. I definitely think it is in this case. I'm sure the next album will probably be more varied, but this one really hits the mark for me in the meantime. ******** *********** ************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:53:45 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: Upcoming Tour Dates update Here is an update to Patty's newly announced upcoming performances: Sunday, May 19: Birmingham, AL @ Linn Park - - Tickets available NOW on musictoday.com Thursday, May 23: Austin, TX @ Stubb's BBQ - - Tickets available NOW on startickets.com Friday, May 24: Dallas, TX @ Gypsy Tea Room - Ballroom - - Tickets available NOW on startickets.com Monday, May 27: Sante Fe, NM @ Paramount Theater - - Tickets available NOW at the box office. No online sales yet. Wednesday, May 29: San Diego, CA @ Belly Up Tavern - - Tickets available NOW on ticketmaster.com Thursday, May 30: Los Angeles, CA @ The Troubadour - - Tickets available Saturday, May 4 @ 10:00am on ticketmaster.com Friday, May 31: San Francisco, CA @ Great American Music Hall - - Tickets available NOW on ticketmaster.com Sunday, June 2: Portland, OR @ Aladdin Theater - - Tickets available NOW on ticketmaster.com Monday, June 3: Seattle, WA @ Showbox Theater - - Tickets available NOW at the box office. No online sales yet. Thursday, June 6: Boulder, CO @ Fox Theater - - Tickets available Saturday, May 4 @ 10:00am on ticketmaster.com Look for more dates to be announced in the next week. Take care and have a good day. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:02:40 EDT From: Danalee7@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: No Depression Article... In a message dated 5/2/02 8:48:51 AM, DM13DM@aol.com writes: << http://hometown.aol.com/dm13dm/pattyinterview.html >> This article is so good- you all need to go there and read it. Thanks for putting it up Bob. Patty talks about putting out her Cds and problems encountered- what she is looking to do in her music. Dana in Berkeley ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #175 *********************************