From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #172 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, May 1 2002 Volume 06 : Number 172 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: The Keswick Show 5/2 [Gary Jacques ] MM: Who's Going to Asheville? ["Scheiner, Andy" ] Re: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #170 [SarMcl@aol.com] MM: feeling disappointed [RbSayre@aol.com] MM: Fwd: Oberlin Folkfest ["Sarah Stanley" ] [none] [Jon Schneider ] MM: Love Patty but merely like 1000 Kisses [Jerry Skomer ] MM: RE: Who's Going to Asheville? [amber bass-patterson ] MM: Re: I Am Shelby Lynne [Brian Hancill ] MM: jazzfest [Jamiegrey1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:34:45 -0400 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: The Keswick Show 5/2 Martinis, beer, wine and other good stuff is served just across the street from the Keswick. Looking forward to seeing those I have met before. Looking forward to meeting those I have yet to meet. Really looking forward to slumping down in my seat and letting Patty have her way with me. This will be the 4th no 5th time I have seen Patty at the Keswick. The first she was top bill. I think the Neilds opened for her. She opened with Big Daddy. No introduction. Just purple lighting on the stage, the opening guitar rift "dum dum dum --dum dum dum" and suddenly I hear, a very sultry "Daddy. We're rockin' Big Daddy." I remember it was a strange night. Patty came out in black including knee high stockings and black eye glasses. One of my all time favorite shows. The second she opened for Richard Thompson, who in case you don't know, is the best that ever was. Ever! Then I saw her open for Emmy Lou. Then last winter at the Land Mine Free World concert. Anyway, hope to see ya there. I called the box office yesterday and there is still about 50 tickets left. EG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 06:02:47 -0700 From: "Scheiner, Andy" Subject: MM: Who's Going to Asheville? Hi Guys, I'll be at the Asheville, NC show on Sunday. Any other listers gonna be there? I've never been to Asheville before so I don't know the town, but, perhaps we could arrange to meet up at some point Sunday afternoon/evening. In order to facilitate this I've come up with the following plan: I'll be the one wearing the bright Salmon-colored sport jacket with a blue carnation in my lapel buttonhole. I'll have on white patent-leather belt and matching shoes (I know, I know, I shouldn't be wearing white belt/shoes pre-Memorial Day, but the whole point is to be noticeable - otherwise, I'd never dream of it). My toupee will definitely be noticeable and probably slightly off-center. My wife will be dressed exactly like Natasha from the Rocky and Bullwinkle show, and our seven-year-old son with be riding a unicycle and playing Lady Of Spain on the accordion. If you casually approach me and say "I hear the winter was mild in Stockholm this year", I'll nonchalantly reply with "But do you think Beckham will be on the pitch for England at the World Cup?". At that point I'll slide the keys to the safe deposit box under whichever newspaper box is closest to the Diana Wortham Theater. Umm, seriously though, let me know if your planning on being there, and maybe we can come up with another plan (just in case I have a difficult time finding a bright Salmon sport jacket on such short notice). - Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:07:52 -0400 From: SarMcl@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #170 A fellow Kim Richey fan!!! LOVE Kim Richey. Been a fan of hers since her first album. Actually going to see her May 14 in Cleveland. If you get the chance, see her live. Shes unbelievable. Like Patty, once of those few musicians you just dont understand why they never have been able to obtain "superstar" status since they are so talented. So be it.....gives me a chance to see them up close & personal in smaller venues :) Barra ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:03:54 EDT From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: MM: feeling disappointed In a message dated 5/1/02 1:36:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org writes: > I AM SHELBY LYNNE. I think it's an amazing > album....cd...whatever i really loved that album as well... but I have to say (speaking of disappointment) that I have never been so dismayed by an album as I was when I heard her follow-up "Love, Shelby". I wonder if it's not a matter of 'catching lightning in a bottle'- it's not something that can happen every time, but "Love, Shelby" was such a tremendous disappointment to me after "I Am Shelby Lynne", which I adored. *sigh* as for 1000 Kisses, count me in as one of those who adores it. I think it may be her best ever. However, I'm wondering if the people who aren't completely enamoured of it were expecting something closer to "Flaming Red" than LwG? peace, rick listening to:six feet under o.s.t. the sun's gone dim, and the moon's turned black; for i loved him, and he didn't love back -dorothy parker let's face it, kids... rick's homepage ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:06:59 -0400 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: MM: Fwd: Oberlin Folkfest Hey folks -- Here's the lowdown on the Oberlin College Folk Fest, straight from the horse's mouth. er, well the head folk fest guy at least. :) Hope to see a lot of you there! :) Peace, Sarah >From: Tom Reid >To: toricrzy@hotmail.com >Subject: Oberlin Folkfest >Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:58:44 -0400 > >Howdy, > >Thanks for your inquiry about the Oberlin Spring Folkfest. Below is the >line-up. Some juggling of student acts will take place, but the evening >headliners are firm. The event is free on Tappan Square in Oberlin (corner >of routes 58 & 511). Bring lawn chairs. Please let me know if you have >any further questions. > > >Friday >5pm Obertones >5:30pm Stephanie Rooker and Chris Eldridge guitar and singer >6pm Jugband >7pm Vance Gilbert >8pm Deidre Flint >9pm Ramblin' Jack Elliot > >Saturday >2pm Oberlin Steel >3pm Jason Goss >4pm Ben Newhouse and Asher Rampkin >4:30pm Alec Scott >5pm Sara Lucas and Mary Chapin >5:30pm Somebody, we have to fill this slot still >6pm Lucy Roche >6:30pm Andy Campbell >7pm Stablehorse Bluegrass Band >8pm Sloan Wainwright >9pm Patty Griffin > >Thanks... > >-Tom ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "Come sister, my brother Shake up your bones shake up your feet I'm saying open up And let the rain come pouring in Wash out this tired notion That the best is yet to come But while you're dancing on the ground Don't think of when you're gone Love! love!? what more is there? We need the light of love in here -- Dave Matthews Band _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:28:03 GMT From: Jon Schneider Subject: [none] Those of you who are somewhat disappointed with the new CD should keep on listening. Personally, I can't stop listening. I first got into Patty by hearing her incredible voice on the Jules Shear CD "Between Us" (an incredible CD by the way). After hearing a few positive comments about her songwriting (mainly in a Steve Earle interview), I decided to buy Living With Ghosts. I liked it, but I must admit, it didn't make me a Patty devotee. I think she strained somewhat on her vocals and I think the songs were designed to be fleshed out. These versions sounded like demos. Then last December I saw her at the Landmine Free World Concerts and completely fell in love with her. I kept going back to LWG and couldn't get too excited about it (love Moses and Let Him Fly and Time Will Do the Talking however). I bought 1000 Kisses the day it went on sale and have been enamored with it ever since. On day 1, I agreed with many of you about Tomorrow Night, Mil Besos and Reprise being wrongly placed, but when I started listening to them, they began to grow on me. I think in 20 years this CD will be considered a classic, in the vein of Joni Mitchell's Blue. To my ears, every note and instrument is perfect. I'm a huge Springsteen fan and not only is Patty's version of Stolen Car way better than the bosses own version, its also probably my least favorite track (other than Reprise, which doesn't really count, although I do kind of like the way it ends the CD). Listen. You'll love it if you try. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:35:26 -0700 From: Jerry Skomer Subject: MM: Love Patty but merely like 1000 Kisses Hey everyone: I've written this on the website, but thought I would post my thoughts here. I, too, am a HUGE Patty Griffin fan, but I think 1000 Kisses is just okay. It feels like it is the calm after the storm of her failed Silver Bells CD--a resting place of gentle, not-very-produced, not-very-commercial music. Sort of like therapy. She produced the thing is only five days and in someone's kitchen or basement or something. To me, the music does not measure up to LWG or Flaming Red, not by a long shot. My test for how much I really like a CD (and not how much I want to like it) is by how much I play it. And though I like 1000 Kisses, it's not as deep or as moving (for me) as the first two CDs. Not many musicians have Patty's range. LWG couldn't have been more starkly different than Flaming Red. And though it took me a while to get into Flaming Red, I now enjoy it every bit as much as LWG. It's a remarkable achievement for an artist to span folk/country/rock. (I guess Bob Dylan also come to mind in this regard, which is pretty rarified company.) But 1000 Kisses somehow doesn't measure up to the earlier work. "Chief" is a pale version of "Poor Man's House," for example. And with the exception of "Rain," not much of 1000 Kisses rises to the level of works such as "Not Alone," "Mad Mission," "Change," "Mary," or even "Blue Sky." And in an odd way, the rougher songs like "Blue Sky," "Wiggly Fingers," and "Flaming Red" give Flaming Red its weight or focal point around which the prettier, less rockin' songs revolve. I know lots of you will disagree with this analysis, but I thought it might spark some good discussion. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:03:36 -0400 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: Love Patty but merely like 1000 Kisses I think the songs on 1000 kisses are good. Rain, Making Pies, Nobody's Crying and Long Ride Home are excellent. Those are the tracks that I find I long to hear. I think the CD as whole captures only one mood of patty. They're all very pretty. But there isn't much variety on the CD. And I think that might be more of what some people are feeling. I mentioned this before, but I think if the above 4 songs were mixed in with the Silver Bell CD, I would say this was a masterpiece of recordings for me. Maybe some other tracks from 1000 Kisses mixed in with SB for other people. Silverbell captured more of the full Patty capability and is more fulfilling as a whole to me. It gives a little bit of everything. A little LWG, a little FR, and a little 1000 kisses. All on one CD. After the first time I heard 1000 kisses I felt like Patty needed to raise her voice more to really capture the emotion of the songs beyond melancholy and sometimes just plain pleasant sounding. And I'm not meaning only to rock out. I'm talking more of the way she raises her voice in LWG. Although I love the way she screams too (FR and SB tracks). She can do it all. And do it all really well. I don't think 1000 kisses showcases all that we know she can do. Anyway, that's my take on 1000 Kisses. Oh yeah, except Top of the World and Florida aren't on it! Man, they are songs that really reach me the way Forgiveness reaches me. One more day 'till I see Patty at the Keswick! Steve "Don't just exist. Live." *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:05:16 EDT From: FoxDugal@aol.com Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses (Warning - controversial) I agree and disagree. I think 1000 Kisses is amazing in a driving-and-crying-with-all-the-windows-open-on-a-midsummer's-night kind of way, but it's ridiculously short. On Silver Bell (and LWG and Flaming Red, but Silver Bell specifically), Patty Griffin is a pure-blood rock star, but looking at 1000 Kisses and her recent performances, yeah, she can sing, and yeah, she can play guitar, but other than that, she's just old. And I really don't like her band. Russ "Pour me down the river, I become a wave. Show me to the mountain, I would gladly walk for days." > I've written this on the website, but thought I would post my thoughts here. > I, too, am a HUGE Patty Griffin fan, but I think 1000 Kisses is just okay. > It feels like it is the calm after the storm of her failed Silver Bells > CD--a resting place of gentle, not-very-produced, not-very-commercial > music. > Sort of like therapy. She produced the thing is only five days and in > someone's kitchen or basement or something. To me, the music does not > measure up to LWG or Flaming Red, not by a long shot. My test for how much > I really like a CD (and not how much I want to like it) is by how much I > play it. And though I like 1000 Kisses, it's not as deep or as moving (for > me) as the first two CDs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:18:52 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" Subject: [none] >News as of Sunday is that she won't be coming unless she gets an record contract here. See! I think i've got a right to shout about it and whinge as much a possible. Aside from 1 3 hor show a week our radio plays absolute crap and the music on TV is 1000 times worse. The charts are filled with people that make your "NSync" look as genuine and talented as Dylan and Hendrix. If you think you've got it bad with Britney, Cristina and the Backstreet boys you do not know what you are talking about. We are in a musical purgatory here in the UK. EM Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:54:38 -0500 From: amber bass-patterson Subject: MM: RE: Who's Going to Asheville? andy wrote, "and our seven-year-old son with be riding a unicycle and playing Lady Of Spain on the accordion' and i'm sure there will be a least one MMer bitchin about that accordion! amber, who just got her tickets to patty's show at stubbs *bg* "Through Movement We Find Health" The Nia Technique ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 20:00:51 +0100 From: Brian Hancill Subject: MM: Re: I Am Shelby Lynne > Sure, there are specific albums I hate: "I Am Shelby Lynne" > and "Gold" spring to mind, as well as the debut album by > Peppercorn.. these are albums I know I'm supposed to like, > that are hyped in terms > that appeal to me, but when I come to them I find them > bogus and lacking anything that engages me. In fact, in > all three cases, I found them to be glossy, manufactured > and soulless, traits I loathe, and feel...well, actually > feel BETRAYED by what I've heard (or spent good money for). I'm probably a bit behind with my reactions (you people write far too much to keep up with) but I was staggered by the above statement. To me, I Am Shelby Lynne is the best album by ANYONE in the last 10 years. It achieves a perfect blend of voice, songs, arrangements and production that even Patty hasn't managed to attain yet. I Am Shelby Lynne takes me to places that only Al Green and Aretha have taken me before. I was slightly disappointed that the follow-up Love Shelby isn't in the same league, but that's still a superb album too. Brian Hancill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:11:59 EDT From: Jamiegrey1@aol.com Subject: MM: jazzfest Since someone else mentioned it, I figured I would, too. Jazzfest is awesome, Counting Crows were beautiful...Jimmy Buffett's this weekend and I am a happy girl. I've been lurking back here for about 2 weeks I guess, my name's Jamie from New Orleans...after Mike has attempted to get me on this list several times, I decided to finally join of my own free will. =) I'm 22, college at University of New Orleans, musician (if you can call it that), and um...yeah that's about it. =) Jamie http://www.geocities.com/greyjamie http://www.xanga.com/greyjamie ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #172 *********************************