From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #168 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, April 29 2002 Volume 06 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: fair use [mark_fitzgerald@keybank.com] MM: Re: Dave Matthews, Julie Miller, Patty and ACLimits ["Lori Garvey" ] MM: Sensitivity & Top 10 Bands/Artists I Hate ["Carl Kremer" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Non Patty Question: legality of compilation CDs What would be the use in cd-r's then? We wouldn't even be able to have trees such as LFML. We wouldn't be able to listen to rare, unbuyable music. And it would also take away people's rights to the cds they bought. Mark Fitzgerald Workplace Automation Technology Key Services Corp (518) 391-1110 ================================================== This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. 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You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:17:38 -0400 From: "Lori Garvey" Subject: MM: Re: Dave Matthews, Julie Miller, Patty and ACLimits You're right, she smiled at the Somerville show when she sang that line. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: MM: Dave Matthews, Julie Miller, Patty and ACLimits > I also was not a big Dave fan untill the Austin City Limits show...not that I > am now, but somehow that show made me more accepting of him. > A friend of mine made me listen to a couple of his songs awhile back...too > many words and too much going on in them for my little brain to keep up with. > Something like that anyway. > But....I really liked that song...."Bartender Please, fill my glass for > me...with the wine you gave Jesus after three days in the ground", as well as > the cover of the Johnny Cash song.."She Walks These Hills" or something like > that. I thought he seemed more down to earth on ACL. Then after hearing he > was involved in getting Patty a record my opinion of him took off. > By the way....the best part of the ACL show (IMHO) was Julie Millers song "I > Still Cry" with Patty singing background. That has gotta be one of the > prettiest songs ever written. I can't do anything while that song is playing > except sit there and listen. > One more thing.... > Ever notice when Patty is singing "Mary", she always SMILES on the > line...."Mary stays behind and starts cleaning up the place"? She did on ACL > and at the Park West in Chicago a few weeks ago. Must be fond memories. > Later > Randy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:11:53 -0400 From: "Jennie Church" Subject: Re: MM: Top 10 Bands/Artists I Hate > OneMoreGirl24@aol.com wrote: Let me just say that I "hate" the >Dave >Matthews Band. Actually...the band is okay, I just can't stand >Dave. >Something about his voice just bothers me, and all of the songs >sound >similar. I'm never going to change your mind about their music, because I think they're one of the best bands out there right now. Their music spans a wide spectrum of influences; put on any of their studio albums and a cavalcade of rhythms, beats, and melodies grace your ears. I think the full-band version of "Bartender" is one of the most emotional pieces of music I have had the pleasure of hearing. Their music as a whole is so dynamic and they put on the best live show I've ever seen. But that's just what my ears hear. :-) >He seems like such a fad to me, with the majority of >his concert >attendees being frat boys. Ahhhh...remember how up in arms this list got when the words "Jewel" and "Patty" were so much as mentioned in the same sentence? That's how a good portion of the DMB fanbase gets when the "frat boy" (and "Abercrombie") label gets thrown about. I personally don't have much of a problem with it, because a good amount of concert-goers do fit that image, on the outside at least. The real crime comes when that's where you stop because the DMB fanbase comprises so many more people than that. I talk with a group of 30 or so DMB fans online everyday and none of them fit the stereotype by a longshot. Yes, there's a good portion of more casual fans that go to his shows (that are an annoyance), but DMB fans has one of the largest and loyal fanbases out there too. I really have to disagree with your assessment of them as a "fad." They've been playing together for over a decade, and their popularity has just been increasing. They released their first major-label album in '94, got moderate airplay with What Would You Say, Satellite and Ants Marching. That's 8 years of being on MTV and in the upper reaches of the Billboard charts. Crash followed in '96, their biggest selling album and most popular single, Crash Into Me. Their next two albums, Before These Crowded Streets and Everyday both debuted at number one. They've released 4 live albums, each have sold over a million with virtually no promotion. They've cut back to all ampitheaters and arenas this year, after a 4 year stadium run (including a 3 night run at Giants Stadium), not because they had to, but because they tired of the demands of stadium shows and because they're fans wanted smaller venues. >It also doesn't help my >opinion to know that he's a jerk. I'm really sorry that you're basing your opinion on one of the few bad experiences I've heard someone have with Dave (or the whole band for that matter). I'm not saying he's a saint, but it amazes me to no end the number of meetings people have had with him and how polite and outgoing he is. Of course, there are times when security whisks him or his band members past a group of waiting fans, but there's not way they could make everyone happy all the time. They're in the midst of a big tour right now, and at every tour stop it seems someone has a new story of meeting a band member. The band has their own charitable foundation, Bama Works that pokes its head into the media every once in a while for making a charitable donation. Dave spent most of his off-time in the fall trouping around to various charity concerts: Groundworks, Bridge School (again) and Farm Aid (where he's on the board of directors). As of a year or so ago, Dave still drove a silver Subaru Outback around Charlottesville. Sure, you can find a few occasions where he's been a little short with fans, but those are more than balanced out by the awe-inspiring tales of chance encounters with the personable, friendly rock star that people convey. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:20:22 -0400 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: Dave's Record Label I know I said I'd shut up, but this is just a little FYI... Dave was also very instrumental in promoting and introducing the western hemisphere to David Gray... who is absolutely brilliant. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:36:51 -0400 From: "Carl Kremer" Subject: MM: Sensitivity & Top 10 Bands/Artists I Hate I really feel like I need to say this. Just wanted to say officially to our more sensitive readers, please try not to take it too personally when someone passionately dislikes an artist you like. For instance, (I'll use Creed as an example since they've been mentioned quite a bit as sucking), we aren't saying that anyone who *likes* Creed sucks and has lousy taste in music, we're just saying we *think* Creed sucks and we change the station when they come on the radio. That's all. Musical opinion is not a morality issue. Liking an artist is not absolutely right or wrong. With that said, please don't feel you need to defend a band/an artist that is mentioned as being hated. We aren't taking aim at the fans...just expressing an opinion. Besides, it's not like we're going to become Creed fans because we hear a convincing argument about why they don't suck. You can't empirically prove that a band doesn't bite the big one. Opinion is completely subjective. That is all. - -carl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:58:32 -0400 From: "Luca, Joseph" Subject: MM: Patty at the Somerville Theater Howdy- Patty's performance on Friday night was absolutely phenomenal. And just to show that I'm not incapable of a little criticism, I'll even start with the negatives: 1) Michael Fracasso. Daniel Gewertz got it right in his review. Much, much, too long, and very little there. I can't believe that he got 45 minutes, time that could/should have been used by Patty. I talked to eight other friends at intermission, and our reaction was uniform. His set came to life only when Patty Jean joined him and provided gorgeous harmonies. It's amazing just how many levels she can raise a song merely by adding her delectable harmonies. 2) As alluded to above, Patty's set could certainly have been longer. I clocked her main set at about 65-70 minutes, followed by her encore. With so much material to choose from, and in front of an adoring, home-town crowd, I think we were all expecting an extended show. When you throw in a long intermission, it made for some frustration: Patty didn't start her set until 9:45, when, with an 8:00 overall start-time, I was hoping for more like 8:45 or 9:00. 3) The vibes, or whatever the hell that instrument was, on "Mad Mission." I *really* didn't like the layering on the intro; it sounded really cheesy to me, and served to add a less serious, circus-y element to the song. But that's my only musical complaint, really... Patty did seem quuite relaxed and happy and comfortable. It was very cool to have her start with "Mil Besos," as she belted it out so sultrily, playing her little percussion thingy (sorry to lose you non-musicians with my very technical jargon). "Rain" and "Making Pies" were absolutely gorgeous; I don't know how to explain it, but just the way Patty sings "Did I show you a picture of my sweetheart?" does a real number on me. While I would love to have heard "Every Little Bit," I really can't complain at all about her song selection; she pretty liberally dipped into the LWG canon. But beyond hearing those gems, and swooning from the heartbreak of the aforementioned "1000 Kisses" selections, my favorite song for the evening was a cover: "Ruby's Arms", by Tom Waits. Omigod. I'd never heard this before, but I can't wait to hear it again. Overwhelmingly beautiful and powerful...I can't even imagine listening to the original now. I mean, clearly Tom Waits is a terrific writer, and the owner of a "acquired taste" voice; but how could he top what we heard the other night? The way Patty sang it, it could have been a song from the '30s just as easily as a recent composition. That line about "Jesus Christ...this goddamned rain" just killed me. She is an absolute gem. And she needs to move back to Boston. Distracted now, because Patty's "Stolen Car" just came on the radio (WUMB in Boston)... Anyhow, I'd like to hear any other Somerville reviews... Ciao, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:53:15 EDT From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty in South Hadley, MA If anyone managed to catch this show, please post a review to the list...it was very close to me and I was planning on going but my husband is having some severe back problems and I didn't want to leave him alone. It was a festival, but I believe she was the headliner. I hope it was great! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Rachel :D www.pattygriffinlyrics.com ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:13:44 -0400 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: extra ticket Keswick PA area 5/2/02 I have an extra ticket for Patty at the Keswick Theatre. It's seat C-108 Center, and the ticket was $31. If you are interested in it and want to sit next to a fellow fan from the list, let me know. The show is this Thursday 5/2/02. Anybody else from the list going to this show? Thanks. Steve "Don't just exist. Live." *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:16:37 EDT From: Themadtaper@aol.com Subject: MM: The Ark Tree Being a rather shy and introspective soul, as well as a new member to the list, it is difficult to express the disappointment that comes with each new day of "she suck's" or "I hate that guy" post's form what I thought would be an informative dialog about an artist I have come to GREATLY respect, but know little about. That said, I feel an urge to emerge form my hobbit hole and offer up remedy, with hopes that this will fuel discussion of a new, and hopefully more focused nature. Sooooo....... From the vaults of Pangaean Harmony comes... Patty Griffin, Live at The Ark, Ann Arbor, MI The Set List..... Mil Besos Chief Rain>Boss Buts In>Rain Long Ride Home Intro Makin Pies Stolen Car Flaming Red Poor Mans House You Never Get What You Want Ballad Of Hollis Brown (Dylan) Ruby's Eyes (Waits) Be Careful Mad Mission Nobody Crying E1) Let Him Fly E2) Sweet Lorraine E3) Mary *disclamer* THIS PERFORMANCE IS NOT INTENDED TO BE SOLD FOR PROFIT, ANY AND ALL PARTICIPATING MEMBERS AGREE THEY WILL NOT ENGAGE IN THE SALE, OR ANY OTHER DISTRIBUTION OF THIS RECORDING FOR PROFIT. ALL PARTICIPATING MEMBERS WHO DO NOT ALREADY OWN AT LEAST ONE OF PATTY'S CD's MUST GO OUT AND BUY ONE. now that the unpleasantness is over with. This performance will be 2 CD's in length, and if you all are good, there might even be some bonus goodies for you. For those who do not know how a tree works, send to me your e-mail address, and the number of DIGITAL CD copes you are willing and able to make for others on the list. The day of the deadline, or there abouts, I will post to the list the structure of the tree. The "parents" are those at the top of there "branches," and will make disc's for there "children." Priority will be given to those willing to make multiple copes of the show. Children must contact your parents and arrange your individual trade. I cannot mediate trade dispute's between list members, as I have already seen the temper's here and do not wish to be caught in the middle of something nasty. For those who are not members of both The Mad Mission list, and PattyGriffin.net, this tree will be combined with members form both group's. Please sign up by sending above info to me (david) at... themadtaper@aol.com peace be with you david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:47:37 -0400 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: Dave Matthews, Julie Miller, Patty and ACLimits If you like Dave Matthews more as a solo artist, you should check out his CD Live At Luther College. It's just him and Tim Reynolds playing acoustic versions of the songs. I think you may appreciate his unusual guitar rhythms and phrasing of some good lyrics without all the extras of the full band. If you liked his performance at ACL, you'll love this CD. It's nothing like the newest CD Everyday. It captures the songwriting root of his songs. Check it out. Dave did a lot for David Gray. He had him on tour with him, gave David Gray flexibility to put out the record David Gray wanted to put out on Dave's record label, and promoted White Ladder very well. I think Patty is in good hands with Dave's label. I think 1000 kisses is a good indication that they will give Patty the freedom to put out the record she wants to put out (as opposed to the record (sound) the record company wants her to do. Steve "Don't just exist. Live." *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. 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