From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #165 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, April 27 2002 Volume 06 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: the top(?) 10 bands i can't stand [RbSayre@aol.com] Re: MM: More Concert Dates!!! ["Leigh Balcom" ] RE: MM: More Concert Dates!!! ["Sanders" ] MM: Jewel Again [Richard Challen ] MM: Patty's Boston - Somerville Show [SteadyOnDC@aol.com] MM: Ha ha ha, my Ten Worst [Richard Challen ] MM: RE: Non Patty Question: legality of compilation CDs [Matt Bouchie ] Re: Re: MM: Top 10 Bands/Artists I Hate [OneMoreGirl24@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:25:00 EDT From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: MM: the top(?) 10 bands i can't stand what's sad is that with the state of music today there are probably more musicians (using the term very loosely in some cases) that i dislike than artists that i do! 1. eminem (evil, irresponsible devil man) 2. j-lo (refreshingly talent-free, giving her more storage space for the monumental ego.) 3. creed 4. fred durst & his rap/rock ilk. 5. christina aguilera (as well as britney, etc. for some reason i think they blow a little more than the boy bands. maybe because it's frightening that young girls want to be like them...) 6. puffy combs (& anyone who says "uh uh this is the remix uh") 7. slipknot/marilyn manson/uninspired shlock.. i mean shock rockers 8. electronica/trance music. (but that's just because i prefer my music pretty organic & with like, a soul.) 9. smooth jazz artists (a lot of stuff that's called 'jazz' these days-somewhere louis, miles & ella are rolling over in their graves) 10. enya/new age/'easy listening' stuff. (boooring!) hmmm. i feel better. :) on another note, Barnes & Noble is going to continue to push Patty's cd! She's going to be on their Top 50 in May! My store is doubling our stock on the album & we get to play her in-store for another month- which means that in May I'll get to go to work & play Patty, the new Wilco AND Cassandra Wilson. :) I am in heaven. rick "I know we're all psychotic, single and completely dysfunctional and it's all done over the phone, but it's a bit like a family, isn't it?" - -Tom, Bridget Jones's Diary by Helen Fielding let's face it kids...my webpage! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 06:57:57 -0400 From: "Leigh Balcom" Subject: Re: MM: More Concert Dates!!! You need to get your priorities in order. Cancel the wedding. From: "Caroline Klumpar" > What did I ever do to deserve this?! Is my karma really this bad?? Patty is > coming to the Northwest when I won't be here! I have waited years for her to > come to Seattle (And Portland! I could've gone to both!), and it finally > happens the week that I'm getting married in California. Whywhywhy?! Woe is > me. Woe. Woe. Woe. > > Dejectedly, > Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:52:34 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: RE: MM: More Concert Dates!!! Or you can leave for California a little early and catch her in San Diego, LA, or San Francisco. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Leigh Balcom Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:58 AM To: Caroline Klumpar; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: More Concert Dates!!! You need to get your priorities in order. Cancel the wedding. From: "Caroline Klumpar" > What did I ever do to deserve this?! Is my karma really this bad?? Patty is > coming to the Northwest when I won't be here! I have waited years for her to > come to Seattle (And Portland! I could've gone to both!), and it finally > happens the week that I'm getting married in California. Whywhywhy?! Woe is > me. Woe. Woe. Woe. > > Dejectedly, > Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:03:08 -0400 From: Richard Challen Subject: MM: Jewel Again >Just for the record...the Jewel fans-8...the Anti-Jewelers-6. 3 or so >undecided. That's my count anyway. Um, mark me Anti-Jewel and that's as far as I stick my hand into this hornet's nest. - --rICH Listen to Rich: Check out the official website of Backyard Green, featuring tour dates, lyrics, pictures, and sound clips from the new album: http://www.backyardgreen.com And be sure to check out Rich's solo website at: http://listen.to/rich.com http://www.geocities.com/richardchallen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:21:36 EDT From: SteadyOnDC@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty's Boston - Somerville Show WOW!!!!! I wish I was as good a writer as Ms Griffin so that I could put into words how incredible her show at The Somerville Theatre was last night. To say Patty was "ON" is an understatement. And this Somerville/Boston crowd was busting with excitement for her. There could have been a standing ovation after every single song except that we all didn't want to delay hearing the next song to come! She opened with "Mil Besos"...and put us in a trance immediately. Just amazing. I loved how she introduced her band right up front...so we could all know their names as we appreciated their work throughout the show. That was great. And what a tight band they are! Patty was as at ease as I've ever seen her on stage. She seemed very comfortable and seemed to be having a blast. Smiling, joking...and just looking spectacular up on stage. There was a really nice artist-crowd interaction going on. Lot's of inside joking around from someone who called Somerville, MA (and surroundings) her old stomping ground. It went by way too fast...and I think Patty even said the night was flying by. She seemed genuinely grateful for the audience's ENTHUSIASTIC applause after each tune...during the songs...and at the end of the show. I loved everything she did...but was especially giddy with excitement when I recognized the first sounds of "Flaming Red" coming our way. She did that very slow start to the song...and then she RAWKS OUT on it! So much fun to watch! She finished...and I had to shout out..."Do it Again!" She was SO into everything she sang....her performances of "Let Him Fly" and "Poor Man's House" gave me chills. I was transported. I was hoping she'd do "One Big Love" or "Wiggly Fingers"....or "Silver Bell"....or "Every Little Bit".....but was thrilled with the songs she did do (-> "Tony, Top of The World, Rain, Long Ride Home, Mary, etc). What an array of songs she has to choose from, huh? Can't really go wrong with whatever she picks. I hope someone else who attended this show will write a review and post it...cuz I'm still high off this show and all I can do is gush and ramble about how moved I was. We are all so lucky to be around the same time that Patty is...so we can witness this incredible talent LIVE. If you don't have tickets for a show in your area...you must do something to make sure you get them. You must. "Tonight I clearly recall Every Little Bit" - -Denise C. (SteadyOnDC@aol.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:31:10 -0400 From: Richard Challen Subject: MM: Ha ha ha, my Ten Worst About time this list became less polite. So here we go, my personal 10 Current Artists Whose Level Of Success Is Inversely Proportional To Level Of Talent: 1) J-Lo (every generation gets its own Paula Abdul) 2) Limp Bizkit (and its own Poison) 3) Creed (like a Xerox of a Xerox of a Xerox of a Xerox..) 4) N'Sync (don't get nostalgic: teenagers are mostly stupid) 5) Britney Spears (again, teenagers are stupid) 6) Christina Aguilera (see above) 7) Kid Rock (c'mon, fade away quietly with your trophy pinup wife..) 8) Lil' Kim (unlistenable even by hip-hop standards) 9) Destiny's Child (the Supremes minus songs and talent!) 10) Jewel (well, DUH....) A much better--and caustic--list would limit itself to "serious" artists that we, as music-lovers, are supposed to "like," but we still hate 'em. I mean, my list only contains 4 acts who even bother to write their own songs! I've got some ideas but I'm not going first.... - --rICH Listen to Rich: Check out the official website of Backyard Green, featuring tour dates, lyrics, pictures, and sound clips from the new album: http://www.backyardgreen.com And be sure to check out Rich's solo website at: http://listen.to/rich.com http://www.geocities.com/richardchallen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bouchie Subject: MM: RE: Non Patty Question: legality of compilation CDs "Connell, Michael P" said: >Making CDs, or tapes, of music that is on a CD that >is legally purchaseable in stores to give away freely >to other people to OR sell to other people is quite >illegal and is simply called "pirating I don't think it's quite so black and white. While selling a CD that you copied is certainly illegal, when you purchase a CD along with it comes the right to copy it. Unless the laws have recently changed, you can copy it for yourself or a friend as long as you don't sell it AND there aren't going to be any copies of the copy made. That includes making compilations. However, that DOES NOT make it okay to make a copy of every CD you own for all of your friends or offer to trade them with people for copies of CDs they have purchased. That goes way beyond the intent. >It's one of the things that upsets the record >companies and the RIAA the most. For instance, >making a compilation tape or a CD for someone that >contains 5 tracks each from Living With Ghosts, >Flaming Red and 1000 Kisses. Of course that is >illegal. Not necessarily. It does upset record companies and the RIAA quite a bit but that is one of the reasons they lobbied for and won the right to charge royalties on any blank consumer audio media. That means every consumer audio CDR, CDRW, cassette, minidisc, DAT, or video tape you purchase is more expensive. The extra money goes into a general royalty fund that goes to all artists. I'm not really sure how they divide it up, though. They also lobbied for the Serial Copy Management System (SCMS) to prevent more than one generation of digital copying. This prevents "copies of the copy" from being made, at least digitally. At the moment, computer CDRs are exempt from both of these. However, it's rumored some of the CD copying softwares will eventually give in to pressure and make future versions of their software observe SCMS. Also, the RIAA and record companies have been working on a system to make CDs unreadable by a computer, so they can't be copied. I'm not so sure that the RIAA is still all that concerned with me making a compilation CD for my friend (or copying an entire CD) anymore. They could very easily encode every CD sold with SCMS so no digital copies could be made, but they don't. It's only the copy that has copy protection on it. I think they are much more concerned with the ease of distributing copyrighted music through mp3s and other downloadable files. Someone copying one of their CDs to give to a friend is a pretty small fish compared to the person who puts their entire CD collection on a server to be downloaded by anyone who wants it. >Now, of course the RIAA could never in a million >years find out, but if someone offered up many copies >(or one copy for that matter) in an environment where >the RIAA could easily monitor (like a mailing list), >that certain someone is just asking for trouble. I couldn't agree more with this. Despite the hazy legality issues around copying CDs or making compilation CDs for your friends, it should never ever, ever be done on a list such as this one. Even out of print or unreleased studio material. On the Rust List, people from time to time ask to tree the 6 Neil Young albums that have never been released on CD. It's quickly (and rightly so, IMHO) shot down because it's a rule of that list that you don't trade on the list something that has been released, even if it's been out of print for 20 years. You just don't do it. It all comes down to common sense. If it's been released, don't trade it. And promotional copies count as being released, so people shouldn't be offering Silver Bell to the list. This is all IMHO so if people disagree on any points, that's okay because that's your right. I'm sticking to my guns for me, though. Matt PS BTW, the show in Somerville was awesome last night! Nobody's Crying is my favorite song, I think, at least today as I relisten to the show. Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:44:36 -0400 From: OneMoreGirl24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Top 10 Bands/Artists I Hate Let me just say that I "hate" the Dave Matthews Band. Actually...the band is okay, I just can't stand Dave. Something about his voice just bothers me, and all of the songs sound similar. He seems like such a fad to me, with the majority of his concert attendees being frat boys. It also doesn't help my opinion to know that he's a jerk. When I saw him backstage at Woodstock '99 he completely snubbed his fans who were trying to get a closer look, or autograph, or hand shake, whatever...and pretty much gave them, dare I say, a dirty look before and after he went on stage. That really pissed me off, especially after Adam Duritz came off stage looking like he was going to pass out, but had a damn Sharpie in his hand to sign autographs. I think Dave thinks he's too cool for his own good. Anyway, hope I didn't offend anybody as much as the Jewel issue offended me. :( I won't go onto other artists, because I feel like I have taken up too much space already. Eryn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:09:20 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" Subject: MM: Shock Horror! A positive NPC post! __________________________________________________ Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:11:54 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" Subject: MM: Sorry I hit return and sent a blank email! NPC Saw Catie Curtis at the Borderline last night Superb Amazing voice, good songs, brilliant rapport with the audience. Well worth #9! The venue is great too, very cosy and informal. EM Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: ronni heggen Subject: Re: MM: Top 10 Bands/Artists I Hate I have 2 things to say about this-i do like his voice but when i saw him on ACL with Patty and Emmylou and friends he sang this stupid song that he wrote with a chorus that says something like 'bartender, give me some wine like the kind that made Jesus rise on the 3rd day' (not exact quote) and I just thought he was such a singer/songwriter wannabe but didn't quite make it with that song. I will admit that i've been tempted to listen to him more, but haven't so he may have some great lyrics out there and I just haven't given him the chance. BUT (please correct me if I'm wrong) it is his record company that signed Patty and let her put out the CD she wanted to put out, possibly because of that ACL performance (again, correct me if I'm wrong) so I have to respect the guy for that and his music is distinct or is it just his voice??? Ronni OneMoreGirl24@aol.com wrote: Let me just say that I "hate" the Dave Matthews Band. Actually...the band is okay, I just can't stand Dave. Something about his voice just bothers me, and all of the songs sound similar. He seems like such a fad to me, with the majority of his concert attendees being frat boys. It also doesn't help my opinion to know that he's a jerk. When I saw him backstage at Woodstock '99 he completely snubbed his fans who were trying to get a closer look, or autograph, or hand shake, whatever...and pretty much gave them, dare I say, a dirty look before and after he went on stage. That really pissed me off, especially after Adam Duritz came off stage looking like he was going to pass out, but had a damn Sharpie in his hand to sign autographs. I think Dave thinks he's too cool for his own good. Anyway, hope I didn't offend anybody as much as the Jewel issue offended me. :( I won't go onto other artists, because I feel like I have taken up too much space already. Eryn Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:44:42 -0400 From: OneMoreGirl24@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: MM: Top 10 Bands/Artists I Hate BUT (please correct me if I'm wrong) it is his record company that signed Patty and let her put out the CD she wanted to put out, possibly because of that ACL performance (again, correct me if I'm wrong) so I have to respect the guy for that and his music is distinct or is it just his voice??? Ronni That's true, and I was so surprised when I found that out. That's DEFINITELY respectable. Dave Matthews must be able to recognize a damn good artist when he hears one. But, there is still just some thing about him that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it is just because he is so over exposed, and because I just couldn't tolerate him anymore after my experience at Woodstock '99. I don't know. I'm sure he worked really hard to get to where he is today, and there's not a single musician out there that I don't have any respect for at all (except for maybe Kid Rock) but I would really like to know why he was such an a**hole and what the big hype is all about. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #165 *********************************