From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #160 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, April 25 2002 Volume 06 : Number 160 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: opinions are like... ["Rob Hanning" ] RE: MM: RE: I hate Jewel ["Sarah Stanley" ] MM: Re: Jewel, etc. ["Lisa Zwick" ] MM: Re: Jewel. [Rongrittz@aol.com] MM: "Success" [Aaron J Adler ] MM: that Jewel lady ["Charlie Sweeney" ] MM: wondering ["Kremer, Carl" ] Re: MM: RE: I hate Jewel [OneMoreGirl24@aol.com] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #159 [MichaelMorris@webtv.net (Michael Morr] MM: RE: "Success" [amber bass-patterson ] MM: NPC: weird Jewel thing ["Sarah Stanley" ] MM: Rain Airplay ["Eric Southward" ] MM: great article on 1000 Kisses [Jon Schneider ] MM: Jewel [PokiMin@aol.com] MM: Re: Re: Jewel, etc. ["Lisa Zwick" ] MM: WWPD [SheThor@aol.com] MM: Re: Jewel, etc [beccasean@peoplepc.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:47:36 -0500 From: "Rob Hanning" Subject: MM: opinions are like... You know the saying. Well, look at all this turmoil. And all because another member and I mentioned Jewel in the same breath as Patty when talking about Hal Hartley films, really. Here are my thoughts... To those who bash me, or anyone else, for liking (or mentioning) Jewel: Your 'hatred' of Jewel means nothing to me. I learned early on in life that other people's opinions don't matter. Developing one's own thoughts is what makes a life. Growing up as the fat kid who liked Prince in a town of close-minded rednecks taught me that. Also, hatred seems to me to take a lot of energy and thought...so Jewel must really get to you somehow, or you wouldn't be so adamant about expressing your dislike for her. And really, can you truly say you hate someone you've probably never met or spent any time with? I know of Patty because of Jewel. I bought the first Lilith Fair CD, and there was Patty's voice, reaching out to me in much the same way Jewel's did. Both their voices make my life a more enjoyable ordeal. I realize that very few people understand how my mind works, and how someone else's words in a song's lyrics can touch me so intensely. Personally, I can't understand how anyone could listen to U2 or Bon Jovi. But I don't disparage other people for their preferences. I thought this list was about appreciation and comraderie, not vitriol. If I want that, I'll read the View Askew board more often. It's good to see that others, Mike included, have come to the defense of open-mindedness. I thought for a minute that this list was going to turn out to be a hostile place. As it stands now, I'll stick around. Rob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:58:48 -0400 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: RE: MM: RE: I hate Jewel personally, i'm shocked at the large use of the word "hate" - that disturbs me more than anyone's musical taste. i don't care who y'all talk about - if i like 'em, cool! if i don't, i have a delete key. it's just sad how easily the word "hate" is thrown around, especially when it's about something as free and liberating as music - music of any kind. but, that's just my $0.02.... :) Peace, Sarah >From: beccasean@peoplepc.com >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: RE: MM: RE: I hate Jewel >Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:40:53 -0700 (PDT) > >Sure it is. It's called displaced hatred or something, >but it's enough for me. You'll notice that I say it is >ANOTHER reason for me to hate her. Shitty songs is the >other. > >Sean > > > > And **that's** a reason to hate Jewel???? > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "Come sister, my brother Shake up your bones shake up your feet I'm saying open up And let the rain come pouring in Wash out this tired notion That the best is yet to come But while you're dancing on the ground Don't think of when you're gone Love! love!? what more is there? We need the light of love in here -- Dave Matthews Band _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:57:06 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Re: Jewel, etc. I was forcing my coworkers to listen to some of my cds in the past couple of days, and I was shocked when all they said about Top of the World is that she has a whiney voice! But it's not gonna stop me from listening to it. I find their music as annoying as they find mine. Everyone listens to what they like, that doesn't mean you have to have the same taste in music, but saying you want to barf every time you hear the person's name is not very nice... - -Lisa - ---- > I say you can't stifle others' thoughts and in the end you wouldn't want to. Music is a very subjective thing; there are even some misguided folks out there who don't appreciate the artistry of Patty Griffin. > I may be flogged for this, but I don't particularly love "Living With Ghosts". Patty can and has done much better. 1000 Kisses is the best album I've heard by anyone in years. Obviously many of you disagree, but that's the way it goes. > Personally, I'm not a Jewel fan, but I do want to find out about other artists through this resource of other Patty fans. I've gone on way too long. Long live Patty!!! > > NewPattyFan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:10:11 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Jewel. >> If I never hear that story about her living in a van again, it will be too soon. << Ever think that maybe if interviewers stopped ASKING her about it, she'd be able to stop TALKING about it? I very rarely if ever see interviews where SHE'S the one to bring it up. Blame the interviewers, not Jewel. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:15:29 -0700 From: Aaron J Adler Subject: MM: "Success" Sean said "While she is doing whatever it is she does, better artists (who are unfortunately considered in the same genre) such as Patty, Gillian Welch, et al. go virtually unnoticed. Gillian's last album might have been the best album of 2001, and about 23 people heard it. Sad." Gillian Welch unnoticed? That's pretty laughable. She may not be well known to the public at large, but to the demographic that she appeals to, as well as to the critics, she is quite well known. As is Patty. I think we should be quite pleased with Patty's current level of "success" as it allows her to continue making music and touring, playing venues small enough where we don't need binoculars just to see what she's doing (or pay $65 for a ticket). It takes a certain kind of person to appreciate what Gillian, Patty and a vast array of others do, and we are a minority - that's just a fact. The majority of people I've played Patty for say "she'd be fine if she wasn't always screaming". I don't feel compelled to try to force them to like her - I just turn to this list to find other people/friends who DO enjoy her. Is there a point to my rambling? Yeah. If you don't have anything constructive to say, quit yur bitchin' and just go listen to 1000 Kisses again. Or if you haven't already, obtain a copy of Kris' Delmhorst's "Five Stories". You absolutely will not regret it unless you have something against amazing lyrics/songwriting and beautiful singing. - -Aaron ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:21:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charlie Sweeney" Subject: MM: that Jewel lady HI all, I don't get to post much, since I'm on about 60 lists and run or do backup for lots of them. The thing you gotta remember, whether you like Jewel or not, is that *any* success for a singer/songwriter who does acoustic based music is a potential success for all. When you start gushing about PG and get that blank stare (c'mon, you all know that look) you have and instant reply: "She's sort of like Jewel except (insert adjective with modifier of choice)". Well, she is a woman, she plays guitar, she writes and sings songs, had major label backing, is pretty. You can supply the differences yourself, but in a whole lot of ways, PG is like Jewel. Now, how 'bout that Susan Werner ;-) Charlie Sweeney (=}===# http://somethingblack.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:23:50 -0400 From: "Kremer, Carl" Subject: MM: wondering Hey Evil G, you out there? carl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:24:46 EDT From: OneMoreGirl24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: I hate Jewel That's okay if you guys "hate" Jewel, but could we please stop talking about it. It really makes me want to cry. :( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: MichaelMorris@webtv.net (Michael Morris) Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #159 I don't really have an opinion about Jewel....I mean, I have all of her cds, but i'm not necessarily a huge fan. As I think about it, I kinda like her new album so maybe I am a fan. Actually I just wanted to agree with Sean when he said that Gillian Welch's TIME - THE REVELATOR album was one of the best albums of 2001. It is so awesome and I've never met another living soul who shared the same opinion. Sometimes when I've caught glimpses of Gillian performing (on tv usually for various O'BROTHER appearances), she seems shy and a bit awkward. In that respect, she sort of reminds me of Patty. I find that completely endearing. mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:49:45 -0500 From: amber bass-patterson Subject: MM: RE: "Success" aaron said: Or if you haven't already, obtain a copy of Kris' Delmhorst's "Five Stories". I'd love to do just that, but my husband is starting to freak out at all the female country/folk cds we have in our collection. he has been playing the new trail of the dead cd incessantly in order to keep the estrogen level in check! amber "Through Movement We Find Health" The Nia Technique ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:51:17 -0400 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: MM: NPC: weird Jewel thing how strange that today after all the Jewel hooplah on the list, I see this in my Pollstar update email: "Jewel thrown from horse" -- here's the link, if you want to read the article: http://www.pollstar.com/news/viewnews.pl?NewsID=1767 She was apparently hurt pretty badly, broke her collarbone and a rib as well as many bumps and bruises. She's cancelling her European tour but should be proceeding with the US tour. Just thought it was odd that THAT story popped up after all the recent email about her. hmmm.... Sarah ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "Come sister, my brother Shake up your bones shake up your feet I'm saying open up And let the rain come pouring in Wash out this tired notion That the best is yet to come But while you're dancing on the ground Don't think of when you're gone Love! love!? what more is there? We need the light of love in here -- Dave Matthews Band _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:17:50 -0500 From: "Eric Southward" Subject: MM: Rain Airplay I was at a bar last nite in Indianapolis and heard 'Rain' on their music system. This bar suscribes to a national satellite system much like stores at malls do. Anyway, although it's not commercial radio, it is a national broadcast and this particular service tends to play really great music. Hopefully this bodes well for the future. And Patty has no commercial hits? Eric Southward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:32:12 GMT From: Jon Schneider Subject: MM: great article on 1000 Kisses I came across this great article with which I wholeheartedly agree. Check it out: http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/4744 Does anyone know if this is the same Dave Marsh who wrote for Rolling Stone for many years? Just wondering. Jon Schneider newpattyfan ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:45:19 EDT From: PokiMin@aol.com Subject: MM: Jewel Why's everyone (well not everyone!) being so mean.....? and by the way, Jewel IS a very nice person, as well as her mother Nedra and her brother Shane.... They do a lot of good work and give lots of $$$$ to very very good causes and organizations.... I met them in Mexico at a conference. So music or not she is another nice human, that gives a shit about other humans. that's all, Lori. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:27:40 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Re: Re: Jewel, etc. I didn't mean that we have to always be nice. Obviously we're going to argue about things. You don't have to say you like an artist if you don't. But respect that other people do. Saying you don't like a certain artist is different than saying you're gonna barf because their name was mentioned. - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willms, Gregory J." To: "'Lisa Zwick'" Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: RE: Re: Jewel, etc. > Do we all have to be nice all the time? I'm as uninterested in Joe Blow's > positive opinion of Patty as I am his negative opinion of Jewel. What's > wrong with letting everyone express their own opinions? If you don't agree, > fine. You've got a delete key, use it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Zwick [mailto:xenacrazy@att.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:57 AM > To: mad-mission > Subject: MM: Re: Jewel, etc. > > I was forcing my coworkers to listen to some of my cds in the past couple of > days, and I was shocked when all they said about Top of the World is that > she has a whiney voice! > But it's not gonna stop me from listening to it. I find their music as > annoying as they find mine. Everyone listens to what they like, that doesn't > mean you have to have the same taste in music, but saying you want to barf > every time you hear the person's name is not very nice... > > -Lisa > > ---- > > I say you can't stifle others' thoughts and in the end you wouldn't want > to. Music is a very subjective thing; there are even some misguided folks > out there who don't appreciate the artistry of Patty Griffin. > > I may be flogged for this, but I don't particularly love "Living With > Ghosts". Patty can and has done much better. 1000 Kisses is the best album > I've heard by anyone in years. Obviously many of you disagree, but that's > the way it goes. > > Personally, I'm not a Jewel fan, but I do want to find out about other > artists through this resource of other Patty fans. I've gone on way too > long. Long live Patty!!! > > > > NewPattyFan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:37:49 EDT From: SheThor@aol.com Subject: MM: WWPD Now what would Miss Griffin think about all of this bickering and meaness about her fellow singer-songwriter? Shame shame. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:52:00 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Re: Jewel, etc Okay, apparently, there are some people who are upset that I don't like...err hate...Jewel, and I am sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings by not liking someone that they like. I can imagine how terrible that is. I will no longer mention Jewel (I didn't even start this whole thing) but I am still puzzeled. Not to beat a dead horse (bad choice of words?), but what if I really do feel nauseous when I hear that "Hands" song? Sean np- Julian Hatfield - Nirvana On Thu, 25 April 2002, "Lisa Zwick" wrote > > I didn't mean that we have to always be nice. Obviously we're going to argue > about things. You don't have to say you like an artist if you don't. But > respect that other people do. Saying you don't like a certain artist is > different than saying you're gonna barf because their name was mentioned. > > -Lisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willms, Gregory J." > To: "'Lisa Zwick'" > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 12:04 PM > Subject: RE: Re: Jewel, etc. > > > > Do we all have to be nice all the time? I'm as uninterested in Joe Blow's > > positive opinion of Patty as I am his negative opinion of Jewel. What's > > wrong with letting everyone express their own opinions? If you don't > agree, > > fine. You've got a delete key, use it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lisa Zwick [mailto:xenacrazy@att.net] > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:57 AM > > To: mad-mission > > Subject: MM: Re: Jewel, etc. > > > > I was forcing my coworkers to listen to some of my cds in the past couple > of > > days, and I was shocked when all they said about Top of the World is that > > she has a whiney voice! > > But it's not gonna stop me from listening to it. I find their music as > > annoying as they find mine. Everyone listens to what they like, that > doesn't > > mean you have to have the same taste in music, but saying you want to barf > > every time you hear the person's name is not very nice... > > > > -Lisa > > > > ---- ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #160 *********************************