From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #148 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, April 19 2002 Volume 06 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: [NPC] Audio Galaxy w/o Spyware [Matt Fotter ] Re: MM: Slate article [David Tumbarello ] MM: Re: Track Listing Clarification ["Lisa Zwick" ] Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification ["Sarah Stanley" ] Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification [Greg Smith ] MM: Chicago ["Don Henn" ] MM: Ten ["Don Henn" ] MM: Chicago PS ["Don Henn" ] Re: MM: Ten [beccasean@peoplepc.com] RE: MM: Ten ["Andrew, Lee" ] Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification ["Lisa Zwick" ] RE: MM: Ten [Chris Negrin ] Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification [Matt Fotter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Fotter Subject: MM: [NPC] Audio Galaxy w/o Spyware Not sure if you've been reading about KaZaa spyware/distributed computing fiasco (what? you mean nocost software without available sourcecode tracks my web activites and sends this info somewhere without my knowledge? shocking! - well not really) I've noticed a lotta folks using AudioGalaxy on the list, so I thought I'd pass this along. Some person wrote a spyware free implementation of KaZaa and AudioGalaxy. While the source doesn't ship with either, I'm not noticing all the gator (the spyware used by AG) in my logs when I have my Windows machine hooked up to my LAN. You can download both files from here: http://www.kazaalite.com/nuke/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index Care to remove the spyware that's on your pc already? http://tomcoyote.com/lsindex.html While I was surfing around, I found a nice hack to block some of the other stuff that might be sent to you unawares: http://www.kazaalite.com/nuke/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&id_cat=3&categories=Supertrick+Setup&parent_id=0#26 But I personally use www.junkbuster.org And for a little PC, anyone interested in trying to meet up for either the Portland ME or the Atlanta shows? I'm going with my wife to one and a gang of folks to the other, but I'd love to run into some folks from the list. m- -- matt fotter http://www.fotter.com/ up 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours 47 minutes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 04:38:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David Tumbarello Subject: Re: MM: Slate article Looks like Patty is referring to Flaming Red, the song, in the Slate interview -- "stupid girl she was dressed like she deserved everything that she got..." The article states, > When she talks about these songs, it's clear that > she wants them to express, in their lyrical way, the > suffering associated with broad social problems. She > says, for example: "There's an imbalance when if a > woman goes out for a walk at 3 in the morning and > something happens to her it was somehow her fault, > and with a man that's not true." So it makes sense > that she would believe so passionately that she is > somehow channeling these elegiac, quasi-protest > songs. She needs to believe that she is being spoken > through, and may fear that taking the creditbeing a > musical auteurwill undermine what she sees as a > sort of mission. > > DT Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:55:00 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Re: Track Listing Clarification That's what I got, and I assumed Patty wouldn't just put all the songs in reverse alphabetical order ;) - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- > > Dave wrote: > > > > 1. What You Are > > 2. Truth #2 > > 3. Top of the World > > 4. Standing > > 5. Sorry and Sad > > 6. Sooner or Later > > 7. Silver Bell > > 8. Perfect White Girl > > 9. One More Girl > > 10. Mother of God > > 11. Making Pies > > 12. Little God > > 13. Driving > > 14. Boston ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:03:06 -0400 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification :( so the copy i have (with the track listing that Dave listed) is completely incorrect? man... if i reorganize the songs and recopy it (not that it's *that* big a deal) will the sound quality be lessened at all? i mean i know the more you copy from copies you lose little by little, but.... ??? Sarah >From: "Sanders" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: MM: Track Listing Clarification >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:21:41 -0500 > >I have seen this same copy floating around on trading lists, but this is >not the actual final track listing or a copy of the actual advance that >was sent off to the record company execs and press. If you listen >carefully to the songs on "Silver Bell", the songs actually do "blend" >into each other. The most noticeable instance of this is between "Mother >Of God" and "One More Girl". The songs are in reverse order on the >following track listing: > > > Dave wrote: > > > > 1. What You Are > > 2. Truth #2 > > 3. Top of the World > > 4. Standing > > 5. Sorry and Sad > > 6. Sooner or Later > > 7. Silver Bell > > 8. Perfect White Girl > > 9. One More Girl > > 10. Mother of God > > 11. Making Pies > > 12. Little God > > 13. Driving > > 14. Boston > >Just listen to your copy again, and you will hear that the correct order >was what I posted earlier. Just thought I would clarify that. Take care >and have a good day. > >- Sanders ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "When I choose a friend, I choose one who loves truth, respects Life and me, one who hears Music and sees the Moon, one who loves to see me smiling." -- Renee Locks _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Fotter Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification > if i reorganize the songs and recopy it (not that it's > *that* big a deal) will the sound quality be lessened > at all? i mean i know the more you copy from copies you > lose little by little, but.... ??? not with digital copies. your cd burning software will do a bit for bit copy of the data on the cd and after reorganize them write them back on ina bit for bit fashion. if you re-encode the tracks, encode them to different formats (wav to mp3 to ogg or whatever) the sound of the tracks will be affected by the quality of the encoder, sampling rate and so forth. some audiophile or EE in the group may take me to task, but the copy from the copy will be fine. m -- matt fotter http://www.fotter.com/ up 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours 18 minutes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:24:54 -0400 From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification At 09:09 AM 4/19/2002 -0400, Matt Fotter wrote: >> if i reorganize the songs and recopy it (not that it's >> *that* big a deal) will the sound quality be lessened >> at all? i mean i know the more you copy from copies you >> lose little by little, but.... ??? The copy I got had the "wrong" track listing. After I shared it with some folks, the person who sent it to me said something about that not being the right order. I have been meaning to re-record it in the proper order myself but have yet to get around to it. >some audiophile or EE in the group may take me to task, but the copy from >the copy will be fine. You have to be careful copying direct from disc to disc. Unless you have a super-fast machine with crazy RAM, you are likely to get glitches on the CD as it is very taxing for your machine to run two CDROM drives at once. Use Exact Audio Copy to rip the tracks from the CD... it checks for errors as it is doing so, then burn them to CD again. If you burn a CD from your hard drive the chance of errors is much slimmer. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:59:56 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Chicago MMers , Nice review , Sandi. I always say , the more , the better , so that those who can't attend get more than one point of view. Glad to see so many reviews of Chicago. When I attended my first concert in Boston , if someone had told me it was less than perfect , I would have would have looked at them blankly , & wondered if they saw the same show. As I attend more shows , & listen to patty's music more , I become more familiar with it , & my expectations become higher. I should preface every review with the statement that it was a great show , b/c they all are. But as I notice things that are exceptional , either positive or negative , they affect my view of the performance , & I just try to communicate that. In the end it's good to remember that it's just my opinion. I never take any one person's opinion too seriously , & I hope no one takes mine too seriously. Glad to see As I was headed for Chicago , I realized that it was in the Central Time Zone , & pushed to get there as soon as possible. Stupidly thinking that it was an hour later. But as so often happens when I do something stupid , it worked out for the best. Got there at 5:30 (I was thinking it was 7:30 ) , & was among the first 10 or so. When we went in , I wasn't too concerned about being in the first row , until I saw that the chairs were lined up alongside the tables actually touching each other , & the first row was the only ones who had leg room. Would you believe I forgot my "Flaming Red" boots ? I could see Brian's spectacular flamers from where I was , & burned with envy. Set list : Making Pies Chief Rain Long Ride Home Stolen Car Flaming Red / Patty & Doug Poor Man's House / solo You Never Get What You Want / solo Sweet Lorraine Carry Me Mad Mission Top of the World Ruby Eyes Mary Encore Mil Besos Tomorrow Night Let Him Fly They've been doing the first 3 songs so often that they seem to have them down. Their performance of them are about the same each night. I always love to hear "Rain" , & I'm glad that's the one they chose for Conan. A much better representation of Patty's unique talents than "Blue Sky" was. I had been whining about the new arrangement of "Long Ride Home" , so far. Some of the notes in Patty's vocals were different , & I thought it was part of the change , but her vocals on this version were much closer to the one I prefer. Plus , her vocal intensity seemed to be stronger. My fav version of the tour , so far. I'd like the musical arrangement to follow suit , but you can't have everything : ) "You Never Get What You Want" was the highlight of the set for me. Things usally pick up when she goes into her solo set ( 2 soloes are not enough ! ) , & this was no exception. "Poor Man's House" was powerful , & she seemed to get this manic intensity near the end , that carried over into YNGWYW. She broke a string early on , & didn't seem to notice. During the most intense part of the song , she was jerking & moving around as though the song was playing her , rather than vice-versa. "Caught up in the Spirit" ! She finished it by singing "Do ya' baby" in whispers , rather than her normal voice. Best ever ! It may have been speaker placement , but for most of "Carry Me" , I could tell someone was singing , but the only reason I knew it was Patty was b/c I could see her lips moving. Guitar volume completely dominated the song. The U-2 reference was undoubtedly Doug's playing at the end of "Top of the World". I too , was impressed. Can't say I've ever heard better. But I have to say again , I don't think it belongs in that song. Not even sure if it belongs in a Patty concert. I think it might work better in "Rain" or "Sweet Lorraine" I perked up my attention when she started into "Ruby's Arms". Great song , great vocals , but... Again , this is one of those songs where I think the less music the better. Any of Patty's delicate phrasings & whispery vocals that are part of her trademark , are lost in songs like these to music volume. I'd like to see Patty do "Ruby's Arms" , "Goodbye" , TOTW , & others , during her solo set. The rest of the set was excellent , but anti-climatic for me. "Mil Besos" got a big response from the crowd. Ain't nothin' left at all In the end of being proud Patty Griffin "Long Ride Home" Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:13:35 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Ten Great thread ! Ten was easy. Twenty would have been easy. The only other lyricists that have such a gold mine of great lines is Dylan & Joni Mitchell , & Dylan is the only one that I would give the nod to over Patty w/o thinking hard about it. Now that I'm thinking hard about it , I'm not so sure : ) Don Ain't nothin' left at all In the end of being proud "Long Ride Home" In the battle of time In the battle of will It's only your hope And your heart That gets killed "Sweet Lorraine" If you had the real thing How would you tell Liars can say it all Just as well "Christina" Do your dance on my head Heavy steps of the dead "Falling Down" Me and my red shoes Nothing can please us "Flaming Red" I don't know where I'm going I'm just following the lines "We Are Water" We had the real thing Up there in the moonlight Didn't cost nothing But each of our hearts "You Don't Have Me" It's a mad mission But I got the ambition Mad mad mission Sign me up "Mad Mission" She stepped high and wide Strong and true To the other side "Time of the Dance" You sacrifice and pay your fines To the God of single minds "Song for the Eighties" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:17:43 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Chicago PS One of my sentences became incomplete in the transmission. It's correct in my "Sent items" , but not in my copy from MM. Damn computers make me crazy ! The line "Glad to see" , was actually "Glad to see so many reviews of Chicago" Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: Ten Neil Young? Bruce Springsteen? On Fri, 19 April 2002, "Don Henn" wrote The only other lyricists that > have such a gold mine of great lines is Dylan > & Joni Mitchell > Don ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:55:31 -0400 From: "Andrew, Lee" Subject: RE: MM: Ten Jackson Browne? - -----Original Message----- From: beccasean@peoplepc.com [mailto:beccasean@peoplepc.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:54 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Ten Neil Young? Bruce Springsteen? On Fri, 19 April 2002, "Don Henn" wrote The only other lyricists that > have such a gold mine of great lines is Dylan > & Joni Mitchell > Don ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:01:42 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification My cd burner won't copy directly from cd to cd. I always just make the tracks into mp3's and then create a new cd. I thought this was normal. But is there some way to make copying the actual disc work? - -Lisa - ----- > You have to be careful copying direct from disc to disc. Unless you have a super-fast machine with crazy RAM, you are likely to get glitches on the CD as it is very taxing for your machine to run two CDROM drives at once. Use Exact Audio Copy to rip the tracks from the CD... it checks for errors as it is doing so, then burn them to CD again. If you burn a CD from your hard drive the chance of errors is much slimmer. > > Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:23:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Negrin Subject: RE: MM: Ten But really, this list is obviously not limited to 3 people and is greatly subject to interpretation. my 2 cents Ani?? - --Chris "Andrew, Lee" wrote: Jackson Browne? - -----Original Message----- From: beccasean@peoplepc.com [mailto:beccasean@peoplepc.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:54 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Ten Neil Young? Bruce Springsteen? On Fri, 19 April 2002, "Don Henn" wrote The only other lyricists that > have such a gold mine of great lines is Dylan > & Joni Mitchell > Don ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Fotter Subject: Re: MM: Track Listing Clarification On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Lisa Zwick wrote: > My cd burner won't copy directly from cd to cd. I always just make the > tracks into mp3's and then create a new cd. I thought this was normal. But > is there some way to make copying the actual disc work? if you ahve the space on your harddisk (about 750ish megs) extract the cd to your hard disk and then make the copied cd from that. i dont use windows, but thetool you sue shoule have something that does DAE or lets you make images - i think easy cd has something called disk extractor, but ic ould be way wrong. encoding the cd tracks to mp3 and then back to wav to burn them onto a play-it-in-a-regular cd player will impact the sound quality. fwiw, i just got a cheap toshiba dvd player that reads cdr/cdrws of burned mp3 files. nice to have 8-10 hours of music on a single cd. m- ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #148 *********************************