From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #138 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, April 15 2002 Volume 06 : Number 138 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: MM RE starting late, short perfomances, whining in general! ["=?iso-8] Re: MM: starting late ["Dave Doody" ] MM: Re: devil's advocate?! [DM13DM@aol.com] MM: My last word on length of Patty's show [beccasean@peoplepc.com] MM: Charlotte [TimSharp63@aol.com] MM: MM - Joe's Pub [ShmephSasso@aol.com] MM: Total Patty [Stephen Golato ] MM: RE: Interpretation of Top of the World [Stephen Golato ] MM: diamonds and roses ["Jessica Boyer" ] MM: Patty plug ["Don Henn" ] [none] ["Gary Jacques" ] MM: RE: diamonds and roses ["Sanders" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:03:49 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ma'eee?=" Subject: MM: MM RE starting late, short perfomances, whining in general! AT LEAST YOU LOT GET TO SEE HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EM Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:00:51 -0700 From: "Dave Doody" Subject: Re: MM: starting late Not sure why I'm responding, since this topic has been beaten to death already, but... >From: "Mike Acerbo" > >Patty and her band team were wrong to wait and it should not happen again. >She should have been on stage at 7:30 and played for an hour and a half. I disagree. It was clearly stated in the response from Patty's management (as far as I remember, anyway) that they had contracted with Joe's Pub for an 8:00 start. Why would it be any *more* professional to work outside her contract than it would to be faithful to her commitment? Seriously, I think your major beef should be with Joe's Pub. They (apparently) misled you by saying the show started at 7:30. I suppose you can quibble with the fact that apparently Patty didn't go on until 8:20...but that's 20 minutes of music lost, not 50, which is what seems to be getting people so upset. I suspect if Patty had played from exactly 8:00-9:00, people would still be angry... Dave _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:29:23 EDT From: DM13DM@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: devil's advocate?! People can think the new CD is too short and still be huge Patty fans. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The same applies for live shows. Although I've never seen Patty live, people have the right to state their honest opinion on the length of the show without being labeled a traitor, whiner, ungrateful jerk, selfish, etc. Some on the list think they are "better" fans because they would pay full price for a new Patty CD that only had 3-4 songs on it and be totally satisfied. They would stand 6 hours in the rain and pay $30 for a concert ticket just to hear Patty play one song. That's how much more they love Patty than the rest of us. That makes them a better fan. If you think the CD is too short, you're a whiner and not a true fan. You should be grateful you got anything for your $. It's a little silly. Everyone on this list is a big fan. First impressions mean a lot. This is Patty's first CD for ATO and I'm sure she wants to make a good impression. I for one have purchased all of Patty's CD's (including pre-ordering the last one). I will pre-order all of her future CD's without hesitation. I recommend and buy Patty CD's for my friends. I know that most fans have done the same and in most cases have done even more to support Patty. WE''RE not the audience Patty should be targeting or concerned with (relatively) at this point in her career. It won't do her any good for her new disc to only sell a few hundred copies to her die-hard mad-mission list members. We're already sold. We are all going to buy her new material without hesitation. It's new fans who's first exposure may be this new CD and a concert on the current tour. First impressions are going to mean a lot more to them as well. Lots of times when I'm exposed to an artist for the first time, I'm kind of on the bubble for a while. This happens quite often when I introduce Patty to my friends for the first time. Many of them don't "get it". Some are luke warm at first, etc. Imagine how they would feel if they thought were slighted after spending $16 for her new disc or after paying $25 for a live show. In this era of music downloads (audiogalaxy, etc), it's much more difficult for artists to actually "sell" their new discs/songs. I believe there should be a little extra effort given in order to reward those who purchase a new CD. I'm not saying all CD's should be filled with 74 minutes worth of material, just because they can. But there has to be a happy medium. Nine songs and 38 minutes is too short. Period. I have EP's that are longer. I'm not counting the last song which is an instrumental and only 1:20 long. I believe it was tacked on to give the disc 10 songs (JMHO). I'm also a little surprised at the hostility (threats) made towards those who wish the disc and some shows were a little longer. Patty's management gave you the answer. Period. End of discussion. If you keep whining, they won't ever speak directly to the fans again. This is ridiculous. How is this attitude going endear the artist to current/future fans? I feel the current disc is too short. So what? It's not a major concern of mine. Just my opinion (which I'm entitled to). I'm not obsessed with it. I still love the disc and Patty. I don't want the disc filled with 15 more minutes of filler. I just feel 9 songs and 38 minutes is too short. It doesn't make me a bad person or disrespectful to Patty. It doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan than others that would pay much more for much less. I buy a LOT of discs and I support a lot of different artists. 12-14 songs and 48+ minutes of material on a CD is not expecting too much. Especially if you're going to include a number of cover songs, instrumentals, previously written songs. I'm putting on my flame retardant suit. Flame away at this disloyal fan who dares to express anything but undying adulation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: My last word on length of Patty's show Some people take offense whrn others criticize their favorite artist. That's understandable...irrational, but understandable. I once paid $25 to see Patty play for about 35 minutes also; however, it was Lilith Fair in Nashville, and I also got to see Emmy Lou, the Indigo Girls, Lisa Loeb, Jewel, Sarah McLachlan and others, so it was money well spent. $25 to see Patty for 35 minutes (or anything less than 90 minutes) alone would be disappointing. Flame On. Sean np- Kill Creek On Mon, 15 April 2002, DM13DM@aol.com wrote > > People can think the new CD is too short and still be huge Patty fans. > The two aren't mutually exclusive. > The same applies for live shows. n. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:33:09 EDT From: TimSharp63@aol.com Subject: MM: Charlotte Yeah!!!!!.......finally some Carolina dates added to the tour. And even on a Saturday. Life is Sweet...... Tim Sharp Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:45:48 EDT From: ShmephSasso@aol.com Subject: MM: MM - Joe's Pub Yeah! I can't say it enough. Blame Joe's. Not only did they screw us and Patty over with 3 different starting times (their web site advertised the time as 7:00), but the service was almost shockingly rude, and the way the kicked us out at the end, herding us like cattle. I was offended by the experience, but I just don't see any reason to blame Patty. ALSO, if you ever been a performer who had to deal with this kind of thing, it's very unnerving to find out the plan you were expecting has changed when you arrive at a venue. It's common, but that doesn't make it any less stressful. Sometimes for your own sanity, you have to just do what you had planned. ANYWAY, that was probably among the most stressful days of Patty's life. It's not that I think everyone should excuse anything she does, but in this case, I really just don't see how she should be blamed? Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:15:02 -0400 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: Total Patty I totally agree. Patty can do so many different styles. And she's good at them all. SB has it all on one CD. My ideal CD would be Silver Bell with Rain, Long Ride Home and Nobody's Crying on there. I would pick Making Pies too from 1,000 Kisses but it's already on SB. Those are my favorites from 1000 kisses. While 1000 kisses captures an incredible mood with incredible songs. SB captures it all, you know. It captures the "Total Patty" that I love. Riff "Don't just exist. Live." - -----Original Message----- Corey Atkins wrote: >I personally think Silver Bell is the best album of Patty's recording >career, and it has now become one of my "Desert Island" CDs (If you had to >live for the rest of your life >on a desert island and could only take 10 >CDs...) Yeah 1,000 Kisses is great, but the complexity of SB... I swear, >It's like getting 14 albums in one; it's a tour through almost every musical >genre, but each with a unique twist. I call 'Truth #2' "alt-grass," 'Silver >Bell' is "thrashabilly," 'Little God' is like smoking hash with Vishnu in >early '90s Seattle, "Sorry and Sad" reminds me of the Smiths - I mean, it's >ALL there. *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:27:53 -0400 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: Interpretation of Top of the World Dave, I really like your take on the song. Realy insightful. Thanks for sharing it. I loved Top of the World the very first time I heard it. Now, after my mom had passed away in November, it has special meaning for me and reminds me of her every time I hear it. She passed away unexpectedly. She wasn't sick or anything. She had a massive heart attack in between flights at the airport in Boston. And I never got a chance to say goodbye or say any last things I wanted to tell her. I had no idea that the last time I saw and talked with her was going to be the last time. For a long time after she passed away I wouldn't listen to any music or watch any tv. When I was ready to listen to music again, I put something on from Patty. It was Top of the World. And I always think of my mom now when I hear it. Rifff "Don't just exist. Live." *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:44:37 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Re: Total Patty Yeah, I also agree. I rarely listen to LWG, because altho the lyrics are incredible, the sound of the cd is like one long depressing song. Flaming Red, tho, has variation...rocking songs, soothing songs, depressing songs. And Silverbell is the same. There's songs for whatever mood you're in. 1000 Kisses seems like a cross b/w Silverbell and LWG...it's more mellow than SB and FR, but having the band on there makes it less depressing than LWG, and gives the songs more variation. I just wish some songs like Even Here or Night were on 1000 Kisses...I think they would fit really well witht he mood. - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Golato" To: "'Corey Atkins'" ; Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: MM: Total Patty > I totally agree. Patty can do so many different styles. And she's good at > them all. SB has it all on one CD. My ideal CD would be Silver Bell with > Rain, Long Ride Home and Nobody's Crying on there. I would pick Making Pies > too from 1,000 Kisses but it's already on SB. Those are my favorites from > 1000 kisses. While 1000 kisses captures an incredible mood with incredible > songs. SB captures it all, you know. It captures the "Total Patty" that I > love. > > Riff > "Don't just exist. Live." > > > -----Original Message----- > Corey Atkins wrote: > >I personally think Silver Bell is the best album of Patty's recording > >career, and it has now become one of my "Desert Island" CDs (If you had to > >live for the rest of your life >on a desert island and could only take 10 > >CDs...) Yeah 1,000 Kisses is great, but the complexity of SB... I swear, > >It's like getting 14 albums in one; it's a tour through almost every > musical > >genre, but each with a unique twist. I call 'Truth #2' "alt-grass," > 'Silver > >Bell' is "thrashabilly," 'Little God' is like smoking hash with Vishnu in > >early '90s Seattle, "Sorry and Sad" reminds me of the Smiths - I mean, it's > > >ALL there. > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged > information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, > copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. > *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:37:38 -0500 From: "Jessica Boyer" Subject: MM: diamonds and roses hello all, just got a video collection of Patty appearances from Don Henn. it's funny how watching/listening to her always makes me feel inspired to go do something productive, paint a picture, play my banjo, redecorate a room, etc. does anyone else feel that way? is anyone out there in PattyWorld planning on attending the May 7th show at the Belcourt in Nashville? i got my ticket yesterday, they told me they had about 100 left. as of now, i am planning on attending alone, so let me know. i have a buddy who works concerts at the Belcourt theatre, i'm hoping to finagle some backstage time out of him, but i guess we'll see. :) i heard an (unsubstantiated) rumor that our lady would be playing at Nashville River Stages in May, but i can't seem to place her there. can anyone confirm this performance? ok, on a note of vanity... i was at work last week, at the best little pizza parlor in town, and a random customer told me out of the blue that i look like Patty. i had never thought so before. now i'm thinking of dying my black hair red. ;) peace, jhesi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:28:46 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Patty plug MMers , My sister told me that Patty's "1000 Kisses" was mentioned on the TV Guide channel's music news. Things are looking good. Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:13:29 -0400 From: "Gary Jacques" Subject: [none] WXPN 88.5 Philadelphia FEATURED ALBUM: Patty Griffin, 1000 Kisses "1000 Kisses is indeed a "humble acoustic record" that continues to showcase Patty's unique storytelling craft, and "that voice" of hers. Songs like "Rain", "Chief", "Makin' Pies" and her cover of the Lonnie Johnson-penned blues classic "Tomorrow Night" are among the highlights on an album where there are nothing but highlights." Bruce Warren, Station Manager WXPN Be good , Evil Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:36:34 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: RE: diamonds and roses I know that Don and I will both be attending the May 7th show at the Belcourt Theatre. It should be an awesome show! Anyway, to comment on the "rumor" of Patty playing at River Stages. If she does indeed play River Stages, it will be on Friday, May 3rd since she will be in North Carolina on the 4th and 5th. That date is still open on her schedule so it is entirely possible. I called one of the organizers of River Stages to see if I could get a confirmation on Patty's appearance, but unfortunately, they could not confirm anything regarding Patty's appearance. I will let you know if I hear anything regarding her possible appearance. If she does play on that day, it will be a very good day of shows as Pete Yorn, Counting Crows, and more are all playing that Friday as well. Well, I am off to Louisville to see Patty's show tomorrow night. Take care and have a good day. - - Sanders P.S.- Patty outsold Celine Dion's new release this past week at Border's in Nashville to earn her the number one spot in store sales! Go Patty! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Boyer Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:38 PM To: mad-mission Subject: MM: diamonds and roses hello all, just got a video collection of Patty appearances from Don Henn. it's funny how watching/listening to her always makes me feel inspired to go do something productive, paint a picture, play my banjo, redecorate a room, etc. does anyone else feel that way? is anyone out there in PattyWorld planning on attending the May 7th show at the Belcourt in Nashville? i got my ticket yesterday, they told me they had about 100 left. as of now, i am planning on attending alone, so let me know. i have a buddy who works concerts at the Belcourt theatre, i'm hoping to finagle some backstage time out of him, but i guess we'll see. :) i heard an (unsubstantiated) rumor that our lady would be playing at Nashville River Stages in May, but i can't seem to place her there. can anyone confirm this performance? ok, on a note of vanity... i was at work last week, at the best little pizza parlor in town, and a random customer told me out of the blue that i look like Patty. i had never thought so before. now i'm thinking of dying my black hair red. ;) peace, jhesi ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #138 *********************************