From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #137 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, April 15 2002 Volume 06 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Hardcore Patty [MactheMutt@aol.com] MM: New Tour Dates ["Sanders" ] MM: Re: RE: RE: Starting Late ["Sheryl Novak" ] MM: Re: Re: Re: Starting Late ["Sheryl Novak" ] MM: starting late ["Mike Acerbo" ] MM: Joe's Pub , In-Store , & 1000 Kisses ["Don Henn" ] MM: 1000 Kisses and head bobbing [Greg Smith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:33:17 EDT From: MactheMutt@aol.com Subject: MM: Hardcore Patty Just got back from Kentucky so I'm behind on ALL these posts. I thought I liked Patty as well as the next guy (girl), but I gotta say...you guys (girls) are hardcore. Someone said something like....."I'd rather hear Patty do 3 songs than hear any other artist sing all night"....now THAT'S a stretch. There's too many other excellent artists out there for that. I saw Kasey Chambers last year in Chicago at Schuba's.....she sang for a long time, and was entertaining as heck. She sang original songs, a really cool old cowboy song, a truck driver song by Fred Eaglesmith....she even YODELED. Now THAT was a show. I've never seen Patty, and have been waiting awhile for it....but I'm just hoping she's somewhere NEAR as good as Kasey when she plays the Park West on Wednesday in Chicago. As far as "10000 Kisses"...I drove to the mall last night and picked it up for 20 bucks. I like the artwork alot...I like the picture of her laying on the bed with her feet on the wall because if you turn it sideways it looks like she's standing up. As far as the music, the jury's still out, but I like a few of the songs. "Makin Pies" is one...THAT is a song...."You can cry, or die, or just make pies. I'm making pies". Patty's voice on "Tommorrow Night" is beautiful, and her cover of "Stolen Car" is very cool. I don't think she needed to genderize it. John Prine wrote and sings a song called "Angel From Montgomery" that starts out...."I am an old woman, named after my mother........". As feminine as Pattys songs are..."Stolen Car" adds a little grit. I myself am waiting for Flaming Red part 2....but 1000 Kisses will do for now. It's 73 degrees here on Lake Michigan in Indiana, 3 Days till the Patty Chicago Show, and I'm on vacation. What more do I want out of life? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:46:06 -0500 From: "Sanders" Subject: MM: New Tour Dates FYI: Patty will be playing two shows in North Carolina this May. She will be playing at the Great Aunt Stella Center in Charlotte, NC on May 4, and she will be playing at the Diana Wortham Theatre on May 5. More shows will be announced this week as well. Hopefully, we will start seeing some West Coast shows scheduled in the next week or so. Take care and have a good week everyone. - - Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:01:47 -0500 From: "Sheryl Novak" Subject: MM: Re: RE: RE: Starting Late go, Jen! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Caputo To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: MM: RE: RE: Starting Late > Starting after the announced "start" time, rather than the "doors > open" time is just plain rude: > > Don't ever > > blame the talent, it's almost never their fault. > > > Sorry but this is wrong. I've been involved in producing > concerts, Listen... the whole point is, Patty's team went out of their way to try to clear things up on this matter and you guys are still being whiny brats. I can't believe how rude everyone is still behaving after it's been explained straight from the mouths of "the talent". I mean, for once, an artist cares enough about her fans to try to clear the air and you guys still have the balls to complain. If you are so set on hearing the music at the exact moment that you want to hear it then stay home and flip on your cd at precisely 7:30 - I think you'll be a lot happier. This is seriously disgusting and I wouldn't be suprised if a few of you ruined any future contact we'll get from Patty's team. - Jen www.pattygriffin.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:07:37 -0500 From: "Sheryl Novak" Subject: MM: Re: Re: Re: Starting Late wah, wah, wah, wah.....at least you had a seat! we STOOD for 6 hrs. in the same spot when Patty played here @ the Mercury, and I'm not complaining! We were ALL more than happy to see her, as well as WAIT for her..... she is worth it....can everyone stop railing on Patty now...?! ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Levine Rose, Esq. To: mad-mission@smoe.org ; Don Semmens Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 7:04 AM Subject: MM: Re: Re: Starting Late I hate when the concert starts late or the artist (god forbid) does not show. I travel from Lansing to the Pine Knob Music Theatre north of Detroit, MI for concerts. It is a GREAT venue, but the music stops at 11 p.m. due to a local ordinance. So the show is time limited and cannot go later. SO many bands show up late -- often real late. It is the rule, rather than the exception. The WORST was when I sat in my seat from 7:05 until 9:40 for a show that was to start at 7:30 p.m. (or 8:00 p.m.??), I forget, with a full orchestra featuring Joni Mitchell. This was the season when she toured to showcase the new album with an orchestra behind her. She got local orchestras to play in each town -- including the Detroit Symphony Orchestra. She then proceeded to be so late that I and half the audience walked out. Those that stayed got to hear less than 1/3 the show and the concert stopped at 11:00 p.m. (i.e. she played only from 9:50 p.m. to 11:00 p.m.) I love Joni Mitchell, but I cannot forgive her for the lateness... We heard four different excuses from event staff -- the plane did not land on time, the bus from the prior town was caught in traffic, the police had shut down traffic on I-75, Joni Mitchell was sick but getting better, etc. They could not get their story straight.... Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Semmens" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: MM: Re: Starting Late > At 10:11 AM 4/13/2002 -0700, lisanumbernine@yahoo.com wrote: > >Because it's not theater - every show every night is > >a little different, or at least it should be. > > Actually, many theatre people will tell you that theatre should be a little > different every night. Both are live performances and the lines of a play > and the songs don't really change, but the performances should > > Look, I understand the difference between a theatre show and a music > show. What I DON'T understand is when a ticket says 8pm start and the sho w > starts at 8:20. Or a poster says doors open at 8, show at 9. And the band > doesn't come on until 10. > > >Plus, artists are on the road. What if they hit > >traffic, or the bus broke down? Rock and roll! > > Well, I guess I could say something about personal responsibility and > taking into account traffic, etc. But, come on. I'm certainly NOT talking > about the rare occurrence of a break down. And what about touring theatre > shows. They're on buses too. > > >I could go on, but I can't believe this needs any > >explanation at all. > > Hey, I could go on too, but I can't believe common courtesy needs any > explanation at all. :-) > > don (late shows rewards bad behavior and penalizes good behavior) > > > "I like to think of it as eating off each other's plates." - erin mckeown > http://home.attbi.com/~donsem/votv_0309.htm > > Don Semmens; Richmond VA; donsem@attbi.com > Visit my Regan fan site http://home.attbi.com/~reganfan/ > Rob Buck Memorial Scholarship Fund http://gottabuck.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:53:16 -0400 From: "Mike Acerbo" Subject: MM: starting late Since I started the conversation about Patty's late start and SHORT OVERPRICED performance at Joe's Pub in NYC, I feel inclined to speak one more time. I don't feel like I am a "whiny brat". I am a fan of Patty Griffin who waits tables and works hard for his money. When I go out and spend 25 bucks on a ticket and another 30 on dinner that I don't have because the restaurant I work in has been slow since 9/11, I expect the performance to be worth it. Patty and her band team were wrong to wait and it should not happen again. She should have been on stage at 7:30 and played for an hour and a half. I was sitting next to one of those "invited guest tables", and guess what? It stayed empty the entire show. Her first priority should be towards the people who support her career and put their hard earned money in her pocket. I LOVED the show and I LOVE Patty, but that doesn't mean I have to kiss the ground she walks on and reinforce bad professional behavior. As for ruining future contact with Patty's management team, that would only be their mistake. It is important for Patty to know what her fans are thinking as to not PISS THEM OFF so they don't see her concerts and spend their last dime on yet another ticket, or copy of ghosts or kisses, as a gift for a friend. Anyway, I feel that I had a ligit complaint and I voiced it. Whether or not you agree you should atleast respect mine and other peoples views and opinions. That's it from my end I've said what I needed to. P.S. I can't stop listening to KISSES. I absolutely love Nobody's Cryin and Be Careful, and the whole cd plays really well from start to finish. Dark moody beautful, and Patty's voice is just heaven pouring from my speakers. I think this recording has captured the essence of her voice more than any other including ghosts. Anyway that's it for now....Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:43:43 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Joe's Pub , In-Store , & 1000 Kisses MMers , Just got back & went thru my 300 E-mails. Have a million things to do before I leave again Monday night , don't have many notes , & there's too much to remember , so I'll be a little short on specifics. A lot of interesting posts , & I would have responded to many of them if I had the time. Rough trip ! Up until now , I haven't been stopped by the police , broken down , or had an accident. I was greeted in NY by cops who were standing on a corner looking in cars for seat belt violations. $70 ! Came out of HMV in Cambridge to a flat tire , & was chewed by a CT state trooper for backing up in a gas station b/c it was "part of the ramp , & backing up on a ramp is a $170 ticket." Fortunately , it was balanced out by having a few words with the charming Ms. Griffin for the first time since January of ' 00. Showed her my "Flaming Red" boots like a proud little child. Unfortunately , Brian's (cello) boots put mine to shame. I noticed them at Joe's , & they were dazzling. Hand- painted , & "Flaming" in many sparkling colors. The best news is that the music is coalescing nicely as they continue to play together. I noticed it as the concerts wore on , & focused on it at the last in-store appearance. Even the accordion is sounding better as it becomes part of the whole instead of standing out. I like the added dimension it contributes to "Making Pies" , & it's more woven in to the arrangement on other songs , especially "Rain" , where the music has improved dramatically since Austin. Of course , if I had my druthers Michael would be playing some haunting synthesizer on the keyboard. Doug does some fine "haunting" on the electric guitar , so that might be redundant. The cello is also sounding much better. I've often thought , but never mentioned , that strings would complement Patty's style greatly , thinking violins. But occasionally the cello would swell with that lush string sound that is so appropriate to Patty's voice. Patty remarked a few times that with no drums , & the addition of the cello that she prefers to think of the group as an ensemble rather than a band. Using the French pronunciation , which she seemed to enjoy. Set lists: Kip's Bay Borders - NYC - 4/9 Rain Chief Making Pies Be Careful Tomorrow Night Joe's Pub - 4/9 Rain Chief Making Pies Long Ride home Stolen Car Flaming Red Tony Be Careful Tomorrow Night Mary Encore Mil Besos Top of the World Joe's Pub - 4/10 Making Pies Chief Rain Long Ride Home Stolen Car Flaming Red Be Careful Mil Besos Tomorrow Night Top of the World Encore Let Him Fly Mary HMV - Cambridge , MA - 4/11 Making Pies Chief Rain Tomorrow Night Tower Records - Philly - 4/12 Chief Stolen Car Rain Making Pies Tomorrow Night Borders - Annapolis , MD - 4/13 Oops ! Lost it. "Rain" & "Chief" continue to get better & better as the ensemble's chemistry progresses. Patty's soft & sensual side remains top-shelf as she does "Stolen Car" , "Be Careful" , & "Tomorrow Night" with remarkable consistency. "Long Ride Home" is a great song , & I always like to hear it , but I still haven't heard a version that matches the first one I heard on the old Rarities tape. I still like "Top of the World" better when she does it alone. "Mil Besos" was good , but I don't expect to see another version that would top Nashville. Listened to Patty in the car for the first time on my final leg home from Annapolis. I revisited LWG & FR for the first time in a long while. Even as I strain to remain objective , I am continually amazed at the way she blows by previous standards of creativity & performance. Patty has left more great music behind her than the big stars of today could ever hope to achieve. "Night" is a perfect example. It would be the crown jewel of most singers careers , but it's just one more of Patty's great songs. I haven't seen her at the piano for a long time , & hope she gets back to it. I was a little disappointed with "1000 Kisses" at first b/c I was hoping to hear a lot of new music , & I heard every song on it before , except "Mil Besos" , which I probably didn't give a fair listening. Playing it on the way home , & trying to imagine hearing it for the first time , I was surprised at how taken I was by it. While I always choose Patty's performance quality over sound quality , it was good to hear the well produced , clear sound of the CD. Caught lister Darcie Miner in Philly , who turned in a great set. She absolutely burned Beth Hart's "Am I the One". Haven't mentioned previously that I also caught lister Nancy Micciulla a few times recently. In addition to her own compositions , she also does great covers of the Indigo Girls "Closer to Fine" & "Blood & Fire". Hope I can get more rest on the upcoming trip. These young women always wear me out : ) Me and my red shoes Nothing can please us Patty Griffin "Flaming Red" Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:40:41 -0400 From: Greg Smith Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses and head bobbing At 05:07 PM 4/14/2002 -0500, Eric Southward wrote: >not depressing. I miss, but am not complaning for the lack thereof, PG doing >a little more screaming and singing with a little more energy like on her >last CD. Abs and me were driving last night with the windows down and Flaming Red blasting on the way back from having amazing burgers at Fuddruckers. It was the first night that felt like summer. After hearing the title track as well as "Tony," and "Wiggley Fingers," and as we were cruising up the Garden State Parkway, bobbing our heads in unison, I realized that as much as I love the album, I miss the "rocking" Patty on 1000 Kisses. There are no real head-bobbers that set the primal blood boiling. I had the intention of posting it here and saw Eric beat me to it when he expressed practically the same sentiment above. On LWG there is the belting on "Every Little Bit." "Time Will Do the Talking" is a raucous number as is "You Never Get What You Want." On Silver Bell, there is the title track, "Sorry and Sad" (to an extent), "Boston." "Truth #2" also has a nice 'bump' to it. So, while 1000 Kisses is a beautiful album, I wish it was a bit more varied. I miss her screaming to the eaves. Considering the professional turmoil she went through, it is understandable that Patty probably wasn't in the most chipper of moods and probably had a blue album that needed to come out. In a sense, it is nice that the entire album expresses a relatively consistent mood, but I guess the point of all this rambling is that I hope she still has some "kickass" inside her and that it comes out on the next album because there is no one that rocks quite like Patty does... 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