From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #136 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Sunday, April 14 2002 Volume 06 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: devil's advocate?! ["Don Henn" ] Re: MM: Re: devil's advocate?! [Danalee7@aol.com] MM: Re: Re: Starting Late ["Patrick Levine Rose, Esq." ] MM: RE: RE: Starting Late [Jennifer Caputo ] MM: NPC (Re: Starting Late) [Don Semmens ] MM: Patty, Kris and The Rhiners...... [Gashlycrumb@aol.com] MM: mm: tomorrow night [ronni heggen ] MM: Re: mm: tomorrow night ["folkyboy" ] Re: MM: Re: mm: tomorrow night [ronni heggen ] Re: MM: mm: tomorrow night [hooligan ] MM: Check out AMG All Music Guide [Underwoodskee@aol.com] Re: MM: Check out AMG All Music Guide [hooligan ] MM: Looking forward ["Eric Southward" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:26:54 -0400 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Re: devil's advocate?! Patty had an in-store performance at Borders in NY on Tuesday , & taped the Conan show on Wednesday. She's out there giving it her all , (as she always does in my experience ) to promote the CD , so we can all say "I told you so" , & she gets all this. I drove to Austin for 5 songs , & the only reason I was pissed was that Cine las Americas said she was headlining. "Uncloudy Day" was worth the trip. Don > Quality vs. Quantity > > 1)The Joe's Pub performance - I too was annoyed by the length, but I was more > inclined to blame Joe's and the general state of performance spaces than > Patty. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 04:59:40 EDT From: Danalee7@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: devil's advocate?! In a message dated 4/13/02 10:40:24 PM, donhenn@msn.com writes: << "Uncloudy Day" >> Don- is that another new song? Dana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:04:39 -0400 From: "Patrick Levine Rose, Esq." Subject: MM: Re: Re: Starting Late I hate when the concert starts late or the artist (god forbid) does not show. I travel from Lansing to the Pine Knob Music Theatre north of Detroit, MI for concerts. It is a GREAT venue, but the music stops at 11 p.m. due to a local ordinance. So the show is time limited and cannot go later. SO many bands show up late -- often real late. It is the rule, rather than the exception. The WORST was when I sat in my seat from 7:05 until 9:40 for a show that was to start at 7:30 p.m. (or 8:00 p.m.??), I forget, with a full orchestra featuring Joni Mitchell. This was the season when she toured to showcase the new album with an orchestra behind her. She got local orchestras to play in each town -- including the Detroit Symphony Orchestra. She then proceeded to be so late that I and half the audience walked out. Those that stayed got to hear less than 1/3 the show and the concert stopped at 11:00 p.m. (i.e. she played only from 9:50 p.m. to 11:00 p.m.) I love Joni Mitchell, but I cannot forgive her for the lateness... We heard four different excuses from event staff -- the plane did not land on time, the bus from the prior town was caught in traffic, the police had shut down traffic on I-75, Joni Mitchell was sick but getting better, etc. They could not get their story straight.... Patrick - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Semmens" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: MM: Re: Starting Late > At 10:11 AM 4/13/2002 -0700, lisanumbernine@yahoo.com wrote: > >Because it's not theater - every show every night is > >a little different, or at least it should be. > > Actually, many theatre people will tell you that theatre should be a little > different every night. Both are live performances and the lines of a play > and the songs don't really change, but the performances should > > Look, I understand the difference between a theatre show and a music > show. What I DON'T understand is when a ticket says 8pm start and the sho w > starts at 8:20. Or a poster says doors open at 8, show at 9. And the band > doesn't come on until 10. > > >Plus, artists are on the road. What if they hit > >traffic, or the bus broke down? Rock and roll! > > Well, I guess I could say something about personal responsibility and > taking into account traffic, etc. But, come on. I'm certainly NOT talking > about the rare occurrence of a break down. And what about touring theatre > shows. They're on buses too. > > >I could go on, but I can't believe this needs any > >explanation at all. > > Hey, I could go on too, but I can't believe common courtesy needs any > explanation at all. :-) > > don (late shows rewards bad behavior and penalizes good behavior) > > > "I like to think of it as eating off each other's plates." - erin mckeown > http://home.attbi.com/~donsem/votv_0309.htm > > Don Semmens; Richmond VA; donsem@attbi.com > Visit my Regan fan site http://home.attbi.com/~reganfan/ > Rob Buck Memorial Scholarship Fund http://gottabuck.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:44:37 -0400 From: "Charlie Sweeney" Subject: MM: RE: Starting Late Hi all, Many venues engage stategies designed to sell more of their product, 'cause they're there to make money. And it's very common around these parts to advertise "door open at" times ranging from half an hour to an hour before the show starts. That's legitimate, and it gives the fans a chance to make a choice on their seating arrangements by showing up at a time appropriate to their seating expectations. Starting after the announced "start" time, rather than the "doors open" time is just plain rude: Now none of what follows pertains to PG. I've met her on several occasions and she (and her band du jour) have always been gracious and , well, just plain nice :-) Amy wrote: > Don't ever > blame the talent, it's almost never their fault. Sorry but this is wrong. I've been involved in producing concerts, doing stage crew, stage managing at major festivals for about 15 years, and things have changed radically. The days when you could go to the artist directly and say, "OK, you start in 5, you have 45 minutes, when do you want the end-set warning?" are long gone. Now everyone comes with "people", and sadly, some of them are not very competent, and the message to go on may take 20 minutes to reach the artist through the insulation, if you know what I mean. Coupled with that is a certain amount of "diva-ism" by both female and male artists. (See http://thesmokinggun.com and click on the backstage link for "riders" for various musical acts) One recent example I was involved in (the artist shall remain nameless) Artist required advance set up in a festival venue, was told load in would be at 8 AM. 10 additional people brought in specifically to do the load in. Artist crew and equipment show up at 12:30 and production manager demands immediate access to the stage (on which the show has been underway for several hours) Access denied, production guy throws a hissy, he losses that argument, has to set up backstage. Production manager in cahoots with sound guys tries to do a set up during the staging of another act. Stage manager (moi) and several burly stage hands remove their equipment from the stage, tell them to wait their turn. Production manager throws another hissy. Access denied. Another repeat of above paragraph. And another. An hour and a half before Artist is due to appear, no artist at site, artist assistant not answering cell phone. Hour and fifteen minutes before Artist appearance, Artist's assistant calls and says the Artist bus is broke down........70 miles from the venue. Forty five minutes AFTER the Artist's announced start time, the Artist shows up, and refuses to go to the stage because the 15 seat van with DVD player and 4 motorcycle/police car escort is not there hehehehe ;-) One hour and five minutes late and one threatened lawsuit later, artist shows up in a golf cart with two policeman on bicycles, pushes the other stage manager (a woman) right out of her way, stomps on stage, does the show with no talk in between songs, stomps off the stage, and is driven away in her previous triumphal motorcade. Production manager demands immediate transport and loadout assistance. Is informed that all the transports are now engaged in loading out the act on the other stage, that just finished (and started, BTW) on time. Production manager complains that he is being persecuted because of the late start. Festival organizer says, "hmm, you're right" This isn't the only, or the most egregious act of this sort I've seen, and it seems to be becomeing more prevalent. If you encounter this type of behaviour, speak to someonrein authority at the venue, or take the time to find out who management is, and send them an e- mail. You pay for the music, it's time the industry started listening to you. Charlie Sweeney (=}===# Virtual Guitarist-Something Black http://somethingblack.com http://susanwerner.com http://karensavoca.com http://xfsmusic.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:02:23 -0400 From: Jennifer Caputo Subject: MM: RE: RE: Starting Late > Starting after the announced "start" time, rather than the "doors > open" time is just plain rude: > > Don't ever > > blame the talent, it's almost never their fault. > > > Sorry but this is wrong. I've been involved in producing > concerts, Listen... the whole point is, Patty's team went out of their way to try to clear things up on this matter and you guys are still being whiny brats. I can't believe how rude everyone is still behaving after it's been explained straight from the mouths of "the talent". I mean, for once, an artist cares enough about her fans to try to clear the air and you guys still have the balls to complain. If you are so set on hearing the music at the exact moment that you want to hear it then stay home and flip on your cd at precisely 7:30 - I think you'll be a lot happier. This is seriously disgusting and I wouldn't be suprised if a few of you ruined any future contact we'll get from Patty's team. - Jen www.pattygriffin.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:15:57 -0400 From: Don Semmens Subject: MM: NPC (Re: Starting Late) At 11:02 AM 4/14/2002 -0400, jcaputo@umich.edu wrote: >Listen... the whole point is, Patty's team went out of their way to try to >clear things up on this matter and you guys are still being whiny brats. I >can't believe how rude everyone is still behaving after it's been explained >straight from the mouths of "the talent". Ok, I guess we should have started putting a NPC on the subject since the discussion obviously has No Patty Content. Well, at least I think it's obvious. I guess we should let you decide what we should talk about. /sarcasm I mean this list is *always* so on topic. /sarcasm don p.s. The "linear time gods" got me for even discussing this. Went to a show last night. Ticket said "doors open at 8, show starts at 9." Reality: Doors opened at 9:45, show started at 10:30. That'll teach me. :-) --ds "I like to think of it as eating off each other's plates." - erin mckeown http://home.attbi.com/~donsem/votv_0309.htm Don Semmens; Richmond VA; donsem@attbi.com Visit my Regan fan site http://home.attbi.com/~reganfan/ Rob Buck Memorial Scholarship Fund http://gottabuck.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:58:49 EDT From: Gashlycrumb@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty, Kris and The Rhiners...... I re-watched Patty on Conan and she is just amazing. I can't wait, and I HOPE she comes to Cincinnati.. i miss her. >smile< What an amazing album. WOW! Why are so many people out there complaining about the little bit of Patty at the concerts? It is more than anyone has had in almost a year or so (when she wasn't touring). I was at Borders and came across the new Kris Delmhorst cd. Also a great cd. I am enjoying that and Patty. What a wonderful music month thus far. > smile< Also.. to all you luckies who get to see Patty at Calvin College.. Over the Rhine is opening for her.. a 20 minute set. Enjoy! They're fantastic. Once upon a time they were just local.. but they have branched massively. Rose Polenzani, Julie and Buddy Miller, and Erin McKeown have all opened for them. So.. if that adds any expectations. >shrugs< Enjoy that show. www.overtherhine.com Hope all is well./ Matthew ...still figuring out Chief. >smile< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: ronni heggen Subject: MM: mm: tomorrow night please don't blast me if this is the stupid question of the day but who wrote Tomorrow Night? The liner notes on the CD say it was written by someone besides Patty ( i think) but fails to say who. Just curious. Ronni Yahoo! 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:11:15 EDT From: Underwoodskee@aol.com Subject: MM: Check out AMG All Music Guide Hi everyone, I thought you might like to see this review of "1000 Kisses." I would also like to add that "Tomorrow Night" was not written by Bob Dylan. The song is on a Bob Dylan CD titled "Good As I. Been To You " which is a collection of folk songs none of which were written by Bob Dylan. The song is listed as public domain which means it has no established author usually because they date from the pre-publishing era when composers were unlikely to realize any profits from songs they'd written. Though songs in the public domain understandably range all over the map and are found in every country, the large majority come from the British folk traditions transplanted to America and often used in styles including popular song, country, and blues. Stephen click here: AMG All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:36:31 -0400 From: hooligan Subject: Re: MM: Check out AMG All Music Guide I thought this bio about Lonnie Johnson to be interesting... http://www.centrohd.com/biogra/j2/lonnie_johnson_b.htm kinda makes the apparent 'public domain' status of "Tomorrow Night" sad. on 4/14/02 3:11 PM, Underwoodskee@aol.com at Underwoodskee@aol.com wrote: > Hi everyone, > I thought you might like to see this review of "1000 Kisses." I would also > like to add that "Tomorrow Night" was not written by Bob Dylan. The song is > on a Bob Dylan CD titled "Good As I. Been To You " which is a collection of > folk songs none of which were written by Bob Dylan. The song is listed as > public domain which means it has no established author usually because they > date from the pre-publishing era when composers were unlikely to realize any > profits from songs they'd written. Though songs in the public domain > understandably range all over the map and are found in every country, the > large majority come from the British folk traditions transplanted to America > and often used in styles including popular song, country, and blues. > > Stephen > > > > click > here: AMG All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:07:31 -0500 From: "Eric Southward" Subject: MM: Looking forward I am driving 5 hours to see PG play this next weekend in Michigan. Got the CD last week and fortunately (actually, very unfortunately) I had to make two 5 hour round trip drives and listened to her new CD. Someone last week said they needed to listen to it twice and I concurr. The very first listen through, I kinda didn't like it. It sounded very depressing. The second time through (and 4th, and 5th, and so on) I really started to enjoy it with Rain and Long Ride Home my favorites. I feel now that the CD is just sad, not depressing. I miss, but am not complaning for the lack thereof, PG doing a little more screaming and singing with a little more energy like on her last CD. It seems that this CD is more a transitional work, meant to plug the gap between FR and her next ATO product. It is a very good CD with much instrumental like LWG with the production/mixing strenghts of FR. As a side, this is 2nd CD where she has done a Classic Jazz Singer type son. I really like the one from Flaming Red and now this one. I would love to sit in a smokey basement lounge and listen to PG belt out sultry love songs. Eric Southward Indianapolis ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #136 *********************************