From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #132 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcert.html * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, April 12 2002 Volume 06 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: RE: patty live on radio ["Sheryl Novak" ] MM: PATTY ON RADIO [Kaycee973@aol.com] MM: Re: Anyone seen a set over 60 min? [amber bass-patterson ] MM: Rain ["Lisa Zwick" ] MM: The Boston (Cambridge) In-Store report [PattyGriffinFan@aol.com] MM: done. ["Shyam V. Yadav" ] MM: devil's advocate?! [ShmephSasso@aol.com] Re: MM: 1000 kisses-Chief [Amanda4865@aol.com] MM: Re: devil's advocate?! ["Elena" ] MM: Nobody's Cryin' Except My Wife ["Tom Russell" ] MM: What you Pay For [diamondmask@juno.com] MM: NPC: Amy Emerman gigs NYC ["Amy Emerman" ] MM: Final word on Joe's pub and short shows [Jennifer Caputo Subject: MM: Re: RE: patty live on radio ...thank God for the Internet, so us peeps all the way down here in Tejas can still listen to Patty on the radio when she's way up there on the East coast! ----- Original Message ----- From: Moody, Bryan To: 'Tracey Miller' ; mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: MM: RE: patty live on radio Patty's on now!!! -----Original Message----- From: Tracey Miller [mailto:tidoublegaer2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:11 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: patty live on radio Note: forwarded message attached. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ X-Apparently-To: tidoublegaer2000@yahoo.com via web10204; 12 Apr 2002 09:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: Received: from POBOX.UPENN.EDU (EHLO pobox.upenn.edu) (128.91.2.38) by mta448.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 09:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WXPNDESK (PC17.WXPN.UPENN.EDU [165.123.51.37]) by pobox.upenn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3CGsMr385242 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:54:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "WXPNDesk" To: "Tracey" Subject: RE: Contact Form Submission Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:54:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200204121620.JAA52739@mx0.daemonmail.net> Content-Length: 801 you actually might want to check in at 1 also. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Tracey [mailto:tidoublegaer2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:21 PM To: onlinehelp@xpn.org Subject: Contact Form Submission Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Tracey (tidoublegaer2000@yahoo.com) on Friday, April 12, 2002 at 09:20:45 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- tellusmore: i was told Patty Griffin was going to be live in the studio today.... is that true???? and, if so -- what time? MEMBER: no Submit: Send My Message! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri Apr 12 09:20:45 2002 IP: 209.118.73.33 Referrer: http://www.xpn.org/story.mv?n=10493 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:42:42 -0400 From: Kaycee973@aol.com Subject: MM: PATTY ON RADIO I LOVE THIS!!!!!!! SHE RULES! HOW LONG IS SHE ON FOR? ANYONE KNOW? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:00:13 -0500 From: amber bass-patterson Subject: MM: Re: Anyone seen a set over 60 min? >Patty's show in Austin at the Mercury was about 2 hrs. long...awesome the first time she played there, we paid $17.00 for 4 or 5 songs. don h even drove in for that show, but you didn't hear him whining like this bunch. patty's show at the speakeasy was at least 90 minutes. free too. and boy you should have seen those arms swinging during 'dream on'. fabulous. amber "Through Movement We Find Health" The Nia Technique "Through Movement We Find Health" The Nia Technique ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:40:10 EDT From: SheThor@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty @ Mercury I too was there for that long show BUT the band was 3 hours late (yes 3) so we earned our extra cookies. ellen in TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:05:50 -0700 From: "Shyam V. Yadav" Subject: MM: starr. hill. hey all. so i was gifted by someone on this list with a copy of the starr hill concert. i'm going to copy it for the first four people to send me an email. the only deal is i need 2 of the 4 people to have burners so they can in turn pass this concert on. so if you have a burner put that in your note. also if you have any live patty concerts you'd like to pass on to me that'd be great. save the drama for your mama. -shyam. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:03:07 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Rain Today was the first time, after listening to this cd all week, that Rain actually caused me to cry. After talking to an obnoxious, egotistical teacher, I went out and started listening to Rain (once again while it's raining) and it actually made me cry. Especially the line "It's hard to know when to give up the fight." I didn't even really notice that line till today. Since then I've just been listening to Rain on repeat. It really is the most perfect song in every way. - -Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:09:42 EDT From: PattyGriffinFan@aol.com Subject: MM: The Boston (Cambridge) In-Store report Okay...just got back home from the in-store appearance at HMV Records in Harvard Square, Cambridge (4/11/2002)...and thought I'd report: Patty and her band of three played a lovely 4-song set, and then Patty signed CD's and whatnot afterwards. What? You want more?? Oh, okay...Patty took the stage as 1000 Kisses was playing on the store sound system (which it had been doing for the past hour or so). The CD continued to play as she strapped on her guitar and tuned up for a moment. So the first thing she said, with a smile on her face, was, "I'm actually just gonna lip-synch to the CD." As she tuned up some more, someone in the crowd (okay...it was me) said, "Well, you're not doing a very good job of it." and she laughed. They then launched in to Making Pies, done just like on the CD (which had stopped playing by this time, for all you cynics out there). Afterward, she said that it was "It's very nice to be here in my old stomping grounds. I used to work at the Pizzeria Uno over there for five years" (pointing in the direction of the restaurant a few blocks away). She then explained that Making Pies was a song inspired by the Table Top Pie Company in Worcester, Mass. And then, "This (next) song was inspired by a man from my hometown who people used to call Chief. He used to walk up and down the street. Supposedly he came back from Viet Nam without a full deck of cards and he used to walk up and down the street in my town, night and day...winter, spring, summer, fall...all year 'round. For years and years and years he marched. And people called him Chief." So then she played....um..."Chief". Okay, this is getting long, so suffice to say she played "Rain" and "Tomorrow Night" and that was it for the show. The band sounded swell. She looked and sounded great - and seemed very happy to be there. Any questions? Oh, and also... to the guy who asked about videotaping these things. I was one of the videocamera people at this in-store (the one without the tripod) and a cop stopped me half-way through, on the request of Patty's management. The tripod guy they spotted before she even started and shut him down. I was a tad more discreet. But still I got the hairy eyeball from her sound guy and stuff. So - I highly advise against it. HIGHLY. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:04:54 -0700 From: "Shyam V. Yadav" Subject: MM: done. ok i'm all full up on requests. hopefully some of the people i send the starr cd to will pass it on to the next on this list. kirk out. -shyam. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:16:12 EDT From: ShmephSasso@aol.com Subject: MM: devil's advocate?! Quality vs. Quantity 1)The Joe's Pub performance - I too was annoyed by the length, but I was more inclined to blame Joe's and the general state of performance spaces than Patty. I would guess Joe's told them a very specific length that the set could be and they had to stick to it. As for the lateness of the show's start, we have no way of knowing why. It could as easily have been Joe's fault as Patty's. My faith in them is pretty low. I felt the sound person did a piss-poor job, and since there were technical problems, perhaps Joe's was addressing these before they went on?? Also, most of the smaller venues, like Joe's and Fez make their $ off of food and drink being so $$$. Patty has no control over this or the ticket price I don't think. And, she probably wouldn't be booked at a larger venue (which by the way would be more $). 2)The album - I was wondering about the length of the album too, and a couple of things came to mind - -is she saving song's like Top of the World for some later, more "silver-bell-like" album - -I don't really understand how things things are paid for... perhaps she/they just couldn't afford to produce more... they did, after all, record in a basement - -maybe the deal with ATO only allowed for 9 songs - -maybe because of the delay with Silver Bell, their main priority was making the album quickly. This seems the most logical explanation to me. Rather than take more time to work on/record more material, they recorded what they had already been working on/playing. Just some other possible explanations... Steph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:42:10 -0400 From: Amanda4865@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: 1000 kisses-Chief The more I listen to Chief the more I love it, especially when the band kicks in after the verses (even the accordian), and then that great bridge with the bells and cello. (I prefer Flaming Red to LWG, too. I wish Silver Bell had been released b/c the title track and Boston are just so rockin'.) amanda In a message dated Fri, 12 Apr 2002 9:11:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Blue Rhino" writes: > As I've been reading everyone's thoughs on the new album, > I've noticed that most everyone likes Rain a lot, if not most > on the album. Am I the only person who loves Chief?? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:04:12 -0700 From: "Elena" Subject: MM: Re: devil's advocate?! > 1)The Joe's Pub performance - I too was annoyed by the length, but I was more > inclined to blame Joe's and the general state of performance spaces than > Patty. I would guess Joe's told them a very specific length that the set > could be and they had to stick to it. As for the lateness of the show's > start, we have no way of knowing why. It could as easily have been Joe's > fault as Patty's. My faith in them is pretty low. I felt the sound person > did a piss-poor job, and since there were technical problems, perhaps Joe's > was addressing these before they went on?? Also, most of the smaller venues, > like Joe's and Fez make their $ off of food and drink being so $$$. Patty > has no control over this or the ticket price I don't think. And, she > probably wouldn't be booked at a larger venue (which by the way would be > more $). I'm going to back this up - I'm obviously not a performer with the fan base, draw or talent of Patty, but whenever I play a gig, I'm usually asked by the owner of the club or the person who's putting the show on: "Hey, can you do an [x] song set on [x] night at [x] time?" Now, etiquette tells me that when I respond with a yes to a question like this, I cannot/won't do a longer set unless the person running the show specifically asks me. It's obviously different with a great big stadium venue, but in the cases of smaller clubs and such, you never know what they have planned for the rest of the evening. Also, with regard to start time, since I'm not a big star, if I'm going to perform, it's usually on someone else's bill. I don't go on until the MC announces me. I don't know if there was an MC there or who was running the show at Joe's pub, and when I'm my own MC, I usually just introduce myself about 15-20 minutes after my flyer said the show would start. I only wait a really long time if noone shows up, or hardly any people are there, just in case people are going to be late. This is probably not as good of a defense, since I'm sure Patty was the headliner for the show. However, nowadays, artists are so notorious for not starting until up to 2-3 hours after they're supposed t, that people stop showing up when the flyer says the show starts. So you're always nervous, especially if you're doing a short set - what if I go on now and everybody shows up right after I'm done? Of course I'm talking like I do gigs all the time, I haven't performed regularly in about a thousand years, so I should probably shut up now. :) - --Elena ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:10:32 -0400 From: "Tom Russell" Subject: MM: Nobody's Cryin' Except My Wife I've never sent anything to MM but hope this is how it's done. Just a comment on 1000 Kisses and in particular Nobody's Cryin'. I pre-ordered the CD from Amazon but surprisingly found it on April 9th at our local Music World. Now I have two copies which is just fine with me. I listened to it several times before my wife came home from work. When she arrived I sat her down on the couch, turned the lights down and played Nobody's Cryin'. By the end of the song she was sobbing like a baby. She explained it as similar to crying at a very sad movie which is a tribute to how Patty can bring you to your knees in the span of a few minutes. My goodness, what a song and a great release overall. Top songs are easily NC, Rain and LRH. It's not quite LWG but nothing will ever top LWG. Thanks for letting me share my story. I'm sure there are several of us lurking around and not submitting entries. You are not alone. Tom Russell trussell@cybertap.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:41:20 -0700 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: What you Pay For If I paid good money to see someone, anyone, and they started an hour late and ended when they were supposed to, I would be pissed, I don't care who it was. Some sort of explanation should have been offered. Bad ju-ju to just go on and hope people don't throw eggs. With ticket prices climbing to where many artists are in fact shunning many of their fans, if they don't give what they say they are going to give, they're digging themselves a hole. I know that if I had paid $25 for a ticket and got an hour show that should have been longer, I'd be writing the performer's management and the house. Let them know you're pissed! It's BS to show up late for a show with no apology or anything. Sorry, but at these prices.....you owe me a little more... john ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:09:41 From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: MM: NPC: Amy Emerman gigs NYC Hi. I will be playing the following gigs in April: Monday, April 15th THE CNOTE Ave C just off 10th Street 7 PM, no cover and Friday, April 26th SUN MUSIC COMPANY 340 East 71st Street between 1st and 2nd Aves. http://www.sunmusicompany.com 8:30 pm sharp doors open 8pm $10 ticket NEW VOICES SHOWCASE including Amy Emerman, Elisa Korenne, Kevin Paul and Dylan Nirvana each playing a half hour set Don't miss this one! Also, I regularly attend the B3 open mike on Saturdays at 6pm run by Rick Johnson. It's in the cozy downstairs lounge at B3 (3rd STreet and Ave B). Yummy food upstairs. Good music downstairs. Come by and play a few tunes and hear some good music! :-) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:09:36 -0400 From: Jennifer Caputo Subject: MM: Final word on Joe's pub and short shows Hey all.... thought I might try to stop the bickering. From Patty and her management team: We contracted joe's to start at 8pm. we didn't find out that they were advertising a 7:30 start or had a second show until we got to nyc. since we had many invited guests for the show who had been told 8 we decided not to start early and, of course, since the other band had to go at 9:30 it was a mad dash both nights to set up and tear down the equipment. the same question came up regarding the austin show which was scheduled to start 1t 10 or 10:30 (i don't remember exactly now.) however the doors to the club opened much earlier. maybe we can warn folks that a time listed in an ad or handbill (especially where clubs are concerned) means doors but not necessarily show time. clubs like to get you in early because they make lots of money on drinks and food. as always, it's a good idea to call ahead to a venue to double check times, make sure the artist is really coming and figure out if you need to arrive early or can afford to sneak in at the last minute before the band hits the stage. you still may be given misinformation but it might also save you some down time at the venue standing around fuming. as for the price of tickets, the promoter generally sets the price because he knows how much money he will need to bring in the door to pay for all of his expenses which include advertising, security, talent, insurance, rent, etc. unfortunately, shows are expensive these days but i hope that won't deter most folks from coming to see patty. patty has the greatest fans and we really have apprecitated all the support. Hopefully that'll clear things up! jen ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ AIM: traDMB http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~jcaputo ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #132 *********************************