From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #113 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, April 3 2002 Volume 06 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Gig website for UK listers [Linda ] Re: MM: Kris Delmhorst [Songbird22@aol.com] MM: "New" artists [diamondmask@juno.com] MM: RE: Disco. Patty ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: RE: RE: Disco. Patty [Stephen Golato ] MM: RE: RE: RE: Disco. Patty ["Connell, Michael P" ] MM: RE: RE: RE: RE: Disco. Patty ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: Re: RE: Disco. Patty ["* Darcie *" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 02:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: Linda Subject: MM: Gig website for UK listers The man who brought Patty to Sheffield: www.jewelspromotions.com Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:55:12 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Kris Delmhorst LouAnn writes: > Her opening act was Brenda Weiler--a Fargo, ND native who has a great voice > and a ton of talent. Brenda is excellent and all of her albums are great! :) Jess www.jessicaweiser.com | www.aftersilence.net new album AFTER SILENCE available 4/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 04:38:52 -0800 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: "New" artists www.larrymurante.com (Great voice, great guy, great friend) www.jonathankingham.com (Great writer, quieter voice than above, quirky live shows) http://www.donconoscenti.com/ http://www.geocities.com/thegypsylife/ (John Gorka) www.christopherw.com www.lownav.com (Lowen & Navrro) http://www.tomprasada-rao.com/ http://www.highstreetmanagement.com/bebo/bbs_intro.htm (Bebo Norman) I highly recommend this guy. "Ten Thousand Days" is the better of his two CD's. (He has 3, but his first is hard to find) He's a "Christian" artist, but don't let that stop you. www.johnmayer.com www.adrianlegg.com (A master guitarist) http://www.compassrecords.com/pettis.htm (Pierce Pettis) http://www.leokottke.com/(THE master guitarist) www.justinroth.com http://flemtam.com/ck.html (Connie Caldor) http://www.clator.com/ http://www.dreamscape.com/alcove/ (Karen Savoca) jiswa ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:02:29 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: RE: Disco. Patty >I gotta agree with that guy who wrote the "1K Kisses" review, it's >irritating that people with half the talent Patty Griffin has, are getting >Grammy's......are getting recognition at all. Not surprising though when >you look back at some of the people who have won grammys....like Milli >Vanilli and Toto. I came to the realization a while ago that the Grammys have very little to do with talent and a whole lot to do with marketing and sales numbers. I was just sick of seeing a lot of my favorite artists passed over or ignored completely. At least last year they gave one to Tool, even if it was for the worst song on the album and was more obligatory than anything else. To give you an idea of how awful the Academy is at spotting rising talent, let's take a look at the Best New Artist winners over the past 20 years. Hardly any of these acts have had any enduring success... 1982 - Sheena Easton, 1983 - Men At Work, 1984 - Culture Club, 1985 - Cyndi Lauper, 1986 - Sade, 1987 - Bruce Hornsby, 1988 - Jody Watley, 1989 - Tracy Chapman, 1990 - Milli Vanilli, 1991 - Mariah Carey, 1992 - Marc Cohn, 1993 - Arrested Development, 1994 - Toni Braxton, 1995 - Sheryl Crow, 1996 - Hootie (by the way, how were they even nominated in this category since their album came out in July of 1994?), 1997 - LeAnn Rimes, 1998 - Paula Cole, 1999 - Lauryn Hill, 2000 - Christina Aguilera, 2001 - Shelby Lynn, 2002 - Alicia Keys Is that hilarious or what? - -----Original Message----- From: MactheMutt@aol.com [mailto:MactheMutt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:21 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Disco. Patty Disco-vering Patty. I saw Patty on Sessions at West 54th. I was taping the show because Wilco was on the first half hour, and I had heard them cover the Gram Parsons song "100 Years". Then John Hiatt, the host, introduced Patty Griffin. She came out and because she has red hair, I had to watch a while. The song that stuck with me the most was "Mary". I had the girl at the record store order the CD, Flaming Red....and was immediately a Patty fan. A few months later I got Living With Ghosts and at first I thought it was terrible. Too folky, too slow and thoughtful. What can I say though, the thing really grows on you. I gotta agree with that guy who wrote the "1K Kisses" review, it's irritating that people with half the talent Patty Griffin has, are getting Grammy's......are getting recognition at all. Not surprising though when you look back at some of the people who have won grammys....like Milli Vanilli and Toto. Two weeks till Patty graces Chicago at the Park West. It'll be my first time to see her live, and I don't even have to fly in from LA. since I live an hour away in Indiana right on beautiful Lake Michigan. See you all there. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:20:14 -0500 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: RE: Disco. Patty I think it's the curse of the Best New Artist Grammy. With a few exceptions, once you win this grammy you'll never be heard of again. It's amazing how an artist can have so much success with an album and be everywhere that year. And then they put out a second album and it doesn't get airplay because everyone is already looking for the NEXT big artist. I think country music fans are the only ones who seem loyal to artists for a lifetime. Country music artists seem to consistently be welcome by fans for years. The same artists that were popular 20 years ago are still popular today. In general, popular music fans seem more fickle for some reason. I don't know why. It's like the radio playlist has to jump on playing the next hot artist instead of continuing to play last years hot artist. Know what I mean? Thank goodness for the internet and noncommercial radio. Without it, I would be missing a lot of good music and talented artists that I wouldn't know existed. Riff "Don't just exist. Live." - -----Original Message----- From: Willms, Gregory J. I came to the realization a while ago that the Grammys have very little to do with talent and a whole lot to do with marketing and sales numbers. I was just sick of seeing a lot of my favorite artists passed over or ignored completely. *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:41:43 -0500 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: RE: RE: RE: Disco. Patty > I think it's the curse of the Best New Artist Grammy. With a few > exceptions, once you win this grammy you'll never be heard of again. I have to partially disagree on a tangent with this one. The previously posted listing of the most recent 20 Best New Artists Grammy winners is hardly an onscure lot in today's music scene. While (I agree) relatively few of the non-recent winners in that group of 20 have enjoyed long careers in front of the mic or in the public limelight, nearly two-thirds of those list (some being one or two members of a group) have been quite invloved in the music scene either has song writers, producing, joined/worked with other artists, Broadway/theatre involvement, what have you. I am also sure that a few of the other third are probably still going strong behing the scenes and I/we just do not know about it. Showbiz is clearly THE #1 dog-eat-dog business out there. The "in the limelight" lifespan is quite short on the average. To expect a winner of Best New Artist a decade ago to still be on top is unrealistic. I realize the annual winner, as previously posted, is usually, but not always, popularity driven andnot necessarily talent driven. Still, how many of the nominees from ten years ago are still in front of the mic and in the limelight? How many of the ones "we" feel SHOULD have won or been nominated and weren't based on "our" definition of talent are still in the limelight. Not many. how many are still active in the business and/or successful behind the scenes or just not IN the limelight. Quite a few if you ask me. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:01:59 -0500 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: RE: RE: Disco. Patty That was my point. Just because they weren't heard of again doesn't mean they aren't still making music or involved in the business. It's the radio stations and promotions that aren't playing their music or talking about them because they are looking for a new hot artist to promote. But these artists continue to try to be in the business. But then record companies start dropping them, radio stations stop playing their newer music, etc. And the public only knows about their one hit album and identifies them with that one album. Also, the lifespan of a winner may not realistically last a decade. I wouldn't expect them to be as hot as they were over that time. But I'm saying that only a year or two later they have trouble getting the attention they once had. My point was that many artists are still making good music (some aren't) but the masses don't get the chance to hear it. That is why I praised having the internet and commercial free radio. I wouldn't know they are still making music without it. Their time in the limelight was short, but they are still making music that only a few people get the chance to hear. Riff "Don't just exist. Live." - -----Original Message----- From: Connell, Michael P > I think it's the curse of the Best New Artist Grammy. With a few > exceptions, once you win this grammy you'll never be heard of again. I have to partially disagree on a tangent with this one. The previously posted listing of the most recent 20 Best New Artists Grammy winners is hardly an onscure lot in today's music scene. While (I agree) relatively few of the non-recent winners in that group of 20 have enjoyed long careers in front of the mic or in the public limelight, nearly two-thirds of those list (some being one or two members of a group) have been quite invloved in the music scene either has song writers, producing, joined/worked with other artists, Broadway/theatre involvement, what have you. I am also sure that a few of the other third are probably still going strong behing the scenes and I/we just do not know about it. Showbiz is clearly THE #1 dog-eat-dog business out there. The "in the limelight" lifespan is quite short on the average. To expect a winner of Best New Artist a decade ago to still be on top is unrealistic. I realize the annual winner, as previously posted, is usually, but not always, popularity driven andnot necessarily talent driven. Still, how many of the nominees from ten years ago are still in front of the mic and in the limelight? How many of the ones "we" feel SHOULD have won or been nominated and weren't based on "our" definition of talent are still in the limelight. Not many. how many are still active in the business and/or successful behind the scenes or just not IN the limelight. Quite a few if you ask me. Mike *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:20:59 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: RE: RE: RE: RE: Disco. Patty Mike, I think you're helping me prove my point. The winners in that category, and even most of the nominees, haven't lasted. Who cares if they're still "behind the scenes"? Isn't the best new artist supposed to be someone who has what it takes to enjoy a long and successful career performing music? They don't have a categories for "best new producer" or "best new manager". There are dozens and dozens of artists out there who have been around for at LEAST 10 years and are still quite popular that never even got a nomination. I don't really expect someone that won 10 years ago to still dominate the radio waves, but I wouldn't expect them to disappear off the face of the earth. I understand that EVERY artist I like isn't going to win a Grammy, but it would be a nice change to see some people with real talent get some of the attention they deserve. The Grammy's are a joke. It's a popularity contest that no one with any substance will ever win. P.S. the Indigo Girls were nominated once. Probably one of the best nominations in that category ever. They lost to Milli Vanilli. Need I say more? - -----Original Message----- From: Connell, Michael P [mailto:michael.p.connell@baesystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:42 AM To: 'Stephen Golato'; 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: MM: RE: RE: RE: Disco. Patty > I think it's the curse of the Best New Artist Grammy. With a few > exceptions, once you win this grammy you'll never be heard of again. I have to partially disagree on a tangent with this one. The previously posted listing of the most recent 20 Best New Artists Grammy winners is hardly an onscure lot in today's music scene. While (I agree) relatively few of the non-recent winners in that group of 20 have enjoyed long careers in front of the mic or in the public limelight, nearly two-thirds of those list (some being one or two members of a group) have been quite invloved in the music scene either has song writers, producing, joined/worked with other artists, Broadway/theatre involvement, what have you. I am also sure that a few of the other third are probably still going strong behing the scenes and I/we just do not know about it. Showbiz is clearly THE #1 dog-eat-dog business out there. The "in the limelight" lifespan is quite short on the average. To expect a winner of Best New Artist a decade ago to still be on top is unrealistic. I realize the annual winner, as previously posted, is usually, but not always, popularity driven andnot necessarily talent driven. Still, how many of the nominees from ten years ago are still in front of the mic and in the limelight? How many of the ones "we" feel SHOULD have won or been nominated and weren't based on "our" definition of talent are still in the limelight. Not many. how many are still active in the business and/or successful behind the scenes or just not IN the limelight. Quite a few if you ask me. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:46:52 -0500 From: Greg Smith Subject: MM: Katell Keineg I know this is a bit off topic, but for those on list that like Katell Keineg, I saw her live in NYC last night at the Mercury Lounge. It was a great show and I got a copy of her new EP, "What's The Only Thing Worse Than The End Of Time?" After two listens I really like it. She has a new site in the works at www.katellkeineg.com that I am sure will have ordering info for the EP on it soon. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:23:05 -0500 From: "* Darcie *" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Disco. Patty Damn I quite like Marc Cohn. I didn't even know he won one......I still listen to him in the car. And I love Sade. Great music for the lovin. ciao, ~darc http://www.darcieminerband.com p.s. and i used to listen to arrested development in like elementary school! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Willms, Gregory J. Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:07 AM To: 'MactheMutt@aol.com'; 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: MM: RE: Disco. Patty >I gotta agree with that guy who wrote the "1K Kisses" review, it's >irritating that people with half the talent Patty Griffin has, are getting >Grammy's......are getting recognition at all. Not surprising though when >you look back at some of the people who have won grammys....like Milli >Vanilli and Toto. I came to the realization a while ago that the Grammys have very little to do with talent and a whole lot to do with marketing and sales numbers. I was just sick of seeing a lot of my favorite artists passed over or ignored completely. At least last year they gave one to Tool, even if it was for the worst song on the album and was more obligatory than anything else. To give you an idea of how awful the Academy is at spotting rising talent, let's take a look at the Best New Artist winners over the past 20 years. Hardly any of these acts have had any enduring success... 1982 - Sheena Easton, 1983 - Men At Work, 1984 - Culture Club, 1985 - Cyndi Lauper, 1986 - Sade, 1987 - Bruce Hornsby, 1988 - Jody Watley, 1989 - Tracy Chapman, 1990 - Milli Vanilli, 1991 - Mariah Carey, 1992 - Marc Cohn, 1993 - Arrested Development, 1994 - Toni Braxton, 1995 - Sheryl Crow, 1996 - Hootie (by the way, how were they even nominated in this category since their album came out in July of 1994?), 1997 - LeAnn Rimes, 1998 - Paula Cole, 1999 - Lauryn Hill, 2000 - Christina Aguilera, 2001 - Shelby Lynn, 2002 - Alicia Keys Is that hilarious or what? - -----Original Message----- From: MactheMutt@aol.com [mailto:MactheMutt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:21 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Disco. Patty Disco-vering Patty. I saw Patty on Sessions at West 54th. I was taping the show because Wilco was on the first half hour, and I had heard them cover the Gram Parsons song "100 Years". Then John Hiatt, the host, introduced Patty Griffin. She came out and because she has red hair, I had to watch a while. The song that stuck with me the most was "Mary". I had the girl at the record store order the CD, Flaming Red....and was immediately a Patty fan. A few months later I got Living With Ghosts and at first I thought it was terrible. Too folky, too slow and thoughtful. What can I say though, the thing really grows on you. I gotta agree with that guy who wrote the "1K Kisses" review, it's irritating that people with half the talent Patty Griffin has, are getting Grammy's......are getting recognition at all. Not surprising though when you look back at some of the people who have won grammys....like Milli Vanilli and Toto. Two weeks till Patty graces Chicago at the Park West. It'll be my first time to see her live, and I don't even have to fly in from LA. since I live an hour away in Indiana right on beautiful Lake Michigan. See you all there. RandyGet more from the Web. 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