From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #106 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, March 29 2002 Volume 06 : Number 106 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: cheap seats [mark_fitzgerald@keybank.com] MM: Re: First single? Rain [Scott Antall ] MM: RE: faves in small venues ["Moody, Bryan" ] MM: Pre-release order question. [Rongrittz@aol.com] MM: best support? [fotographix ] MM: RE: Pre-release order question. ["Connell, Michael P" ] MM: re: best support [EveryLittleBit@aol.com] MM: NPC: Amy Emerman - Confirmed April GIGS ["Amy Emerman" Subject: MM: Re: First single? Rain WYEP in Pittsburgh has been playing Rain and is calling it the first single. FYI - if you live in a place where you don't have a radio station that will play Patty, you should really listen to WYEP online at wyep.org. It is an awesome station! (And if you do listen, pledge a little, it is a public station afterall.) Scott :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:53:59 -0500 From: "Moody, Bryan" Subject: MM: RE: faves in small venues The Story, Sonia Dada, Jeffrey Gaines, amongst others - FREE; summer 1993 (XPN Singer-Songwriter) Sarah McLachlan - FREE; summer 1994 (Ditto) Jeffrey Gaines - TLA; 12/98, $14 (7th row) Slaid Cleaves/Brooks Williams - The Point; Bryn Mawr, PA. $8; sometime in 2000 Jennifer Kimball(Lauren Hart opening) - The Tin Angel, 4/99; $12 Kenn Kweder(local legend) - Tin Angel, 9/99; $10 - -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Stanley [mailto:toricrzy@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 1:28 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: faves in small venues Well besides Patty @ a Harmony House free performance and numerous shows at small venues and colleges, mine would have to be: - --Sons of the Never Wrong (openers for Patty and now I'm seeing them on their own for the 3rd time tomorrow night!) @ The Ark - Ann Arbor, MI - --Voices on the Verge @ The Ark - --Sarah Harmer @ The Ark and at the Magic Bag in Ferndale, MI - --Elliott Smith @ St. Andrews - Detroit, MI - --Nikka Costa (let's not get back into the old thread!) @ St. Andrews - --Maceo Parker @ various places around Detroit, MI - --JGB (Jerry Garcia Band, sadly without Jerry)@ Magic Bag or Majestic - --Jazz is Dead @ the Majestic - Detroit, MI - --Catherine Wheel @ Intersection (a tiny bar in Grand Rapids, MI) - --Bif Naked @ The Shelter - Detroit, MI and some tiny bar in Ohio - --Leona Naess @ the 7th House (when it was still a kickin' venue) - --DJ Rap @ Pure - Detroit, MI (if you like electronic music at all, check this chick out! she rocks and kicks the shit out of most DJ's!) - --The Creatures @ some tiny venue in Chicago - --Pete Yorn @ St. Andrews - --Sunny Day Real Estate @ Clutch Cargos in Pontiac, MI - -- and of course, Tori, when she did a small "club tour" and played at St. Andrews (although, the ticket prices were not that cheap) >From: "Willms, Gregory J." >To: "'SM082987@aol.com'" , "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" > >Subject: RE: MM: just don't want to see it disappear >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:10:42 -0500 > >Great idea for a new thread to keep everyone interested... What are the >best >artists you've been able to see in small venues for low ticket prices? > >Two of mine were at the Newport in Columbus, OH. It's an old converted >movie theater that probably sits around 500-750 people. I saw Pearl Jam >there in '92, and Phish in '93. I don't remember ticket prices, but I'm >sure they were both under $20. But the best was Patty and Jewel (who I >don't really care for much anymore) at a tiny theater in New York for free. >Can't beat that. > >-----Original Message----- >From: SM082987@aol.com [mailto:SM082987@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 7:26 PM >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: Re: MM: just don't want to see it disappear > >Coconuts went under in my neighborhood. Eleanor Mc Elvoy will never be a >big > >seller or name that most juvenile clerks at overpriced stores (that will >someday be bankrupt, you can count on that) will know about. I try to >educate >the rascals about the fact that their missing out on a good thing, knowing >they don't care. For me that's the thing! No one listened in 1994 when we >saw >Sarah Mclachlan at a small setting in Cleveland, nor Dar when we saw her in >front of 50 people at Kent State in 1997. I love it when I see someone for >20.00 in a small setting, dont care if the greasers are still listening to >Weed, sorry, Creed, or some other group that likes to scream / not sing to >the masses. I look forward to going to the Odeon in Cleveland to see Patty >with people who love her music, dont care if the coconut guy knows or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "May you dream you are dreaming in a warm soft bed And may the voices inside you that fill you with dread Make the sounds of thousands of angels instead Tonight where you might be laying your head... I wish you well..." -- Patty Griffin _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:59:43 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: MM: Pre-release order question. Question: is there a real benefit to pre-ordering the CD? I guess what I mean is this: it's going to be released on Tuesday, April 9th. Meaning record stores should have it on that day. However, if I pre-order it, will it just be SHIPPED to me on that day, or are there actual "I'll get it earlier than the official release date" benefits of the pre-order process? Thanks to those in the know. RG, obviously not in the know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:09:02 -0800 (PST) From: fotographix Subject: MM: best support? ok, i want to order through jen's site (www.pattygriffin.net) so that i support her effort, and i also want to get it on 4-9-02, and also i also want to lock in my purchase at whatever time and reseller is best for patty as far as the 'sales data' goes. somebody tell me what to do! i can't afford 3 copies right now, but i could get 2 maybe... ~foto Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:18:28 -0500 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: RE: Pre-release order question. > Question: is there a real benefit to pre-ordering the CD? Depends on where you order it from. For instance, if you order it from ATO Records ( http://www.atorecords.com ) you are entered into a contest to win a number of prizes, including two guitars autographed by Patty. The cost at ATO Records is 14$...dunno what the shipping charges are. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:27:59 EST From: Balmoon@aol.com Subject: MM: Re first single? WXRT in Chicago has also been playing "Rain"--what a beautiful song. And I have to agree that Sheryl Crowe's single is really disappointing, at least to me--the lyrics are just surprisingly bad. I've enjoyed some of her songs over the years more than others, but this one just leaves me cold. - --Beverly ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:37:15 EST From: LMYERS2HOU@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #105 best artists small venue In a message dated 3/29/02 12:34:45 PM Central Standard Time, owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org writes: << Great idea for a new thread to keep everyone interested... What are the best artists you've been able to see in small venues for low ticket prices? >> I have seen Cheryl Wheeler a couple of times at McGonigel's Mucky Duck in Houston. The last time we saw her there we were so close that someone at our table could prop her feet against the stage. The tickets were about $12 or no more than $20. If you ever get a chance to see Cheryl, do so. She has a beautiful voice, writes great songs, and can make you laugh and make you cry. Loretta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:53:33 EST From: MistyBC@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty article & album cover To see the cover for 1000 Kisses, go here: http://www.nashvillerage.com/music/features/032802-lostsoul/ Here's the article: published: 28 MARCH 02 - The Rage Almost Lost Soul Patty Griffin gives fans '1,000 Kisses' I awoke an hour before my interview with Patty Griffin in a panic. In my still-dreaming state (something frustrating about Cocoa Pebbles) it struck me that my recording device was actually in Murfreesboro and there was no way I could get it in time to do the interview. My Plan B was a near disaster, the dreaded conversation killer - the speaker phone. My $12 phone made Griffin sound like she had recorded all of her answers onto an old, well-worn cassette from an analog answering machine and transmitted them over AM radio, which was then shot out through a dusty, broken speaker with a short in it. In other words, it sounded like Tom Waits produced the interview. Luckily you couldn't meet a more understanding person than Patty Griffin. She has the proverbial patience of a saint. And she's needed that and then some to endure the last few taxing years of her career. In 1998, her sophomore album, Flaming Red, was released on A&M. Produced by Nashvillian Jay Joyce, Flaming Red was an unstoppable force from the first track that waylaid anyone lucky enough to step into its sonic path. The reason it didn't become the multi-platinum smash everyone knew it deserved to be was the gargantuan Universal/Polygram merger, which basically shuttered the doors of Griffin's label and handed her fate over to a new group of people who had no real stake in her career. "They definitely dropped the ball on that record," Griffin acknowledges. "I can't really be upset about it anymore because my life is just fine. I don't know what would have happened to it commercially had they been in place as a label the way they were for Living With Ghosts. But beyond that, things work out the way they're gonna work out. There's no right or wrong to it, so it's dumb to be upset about it." In the ensuing period, the label sent Griffin into the studio and badgered her for something resembling a commercial single. It was a tactic that didn't exactly work with Griffin's songwriting style. "The joyfulness of songwriting went by the wayside for awhile under the big label experience," Griffin confesses. "You keep turning in these things from your heart and they go 'Ahhhh, we just don't hear a single' (laughs). You just feel like you're from another planet. You don't know what you're doing on this (planet) or how you ended up here. It was a bummer trying to work with them and write songs, because they definitely have a different idea of what a great song is than I do." The album she recorded then, Silver Bell, was shelved. Hopefully it will re-emerge someday, if for no other reason than to have a recorded version of the live favorite Top of the World. Her new album on ATO Records, 1000 Kisses, is the Living With Ghosts acoustic yin to Flaming Red's rockin' yang. Logistically, it came about in a similar fashion as Flaming Red, with Griffin hunkering down in the home studio of a hot-shot Nashville guitarist/producer. This time it was her longtime road buddy Doug Lancio. "Doug was here in town last year for SXSW playing with somebody else," Griffin recalls, "And he had said 'You should just come to Nashville and play music in my basement and forget all about this s--t,' which was the very same week Interscope and I parted ways. So I called Doug up and asked him how he'd feel about co-producing something." The result was 1000 Kisses, a stripped-down and extremely intimate album. While most of it was recorded in an East Nashville basement, it sounds more like Griffin is sitting alone on a desolate front porch facing the stars, the empty fields and the relentless abyss of the night. Like many of her songs before, most of the material on 1000 Kisses is wounded and melancholy, but, as usual, there is a hopefulness - if not in the lyrics, then in Griffin's voice, which sounds on the verge of being defeated but still holding on. It is an unforgivable shame that Griffin is still a relative underdog in the music business when they are giving out Grammys to people who have half her talent, but maybe with 1000 Kisses, more people will have the opportunity to hear her soul-shattering voice. - - Jason Moon Wilkins ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:17:49 -0500 From: Richard Challen Subject: MM: Good Small Shows, Etc. Some of my favorite small shows, all venues under 500 people, ticket prices under $15... Ben Folds Five, The Georgia Theatre, Athens, GA, 1995 (Back then they were introducing "Song For The Dumped" and "One Angry Dwarf" as new songs that were going to be on their next record, and still encoring with a rockin' version of "Video Killed The Radio Star.") Richard Thompson, The Handlebar, Greenville, SC, 1998 and 2001 (I've actually seen him twice here, solo acoustic shows, amazing each time.) Chris Whitley, Iota Club, Alexandria, VA, 2000 (If you can fit more than 100 people in this place I'd be surprised. Chris walked up to the bar, ordered 2 tequila shots, downed them both, then walked 10 feet to the stage and proceeded to mesmerize us for the next hour and a half.) John Mayer, Confetti's, Clemson, SC (This bar was open for maybe 5 months in my hometown; in fact, I played a few acoustic shows there myself. John drove in from Atlanta to play for about 5 people. Later we talked about how Clemson didn't support live music and not to get down about the lack of crowd. A couple months back he played a free show in Clemson and 4000 people showed up. Not a bad turnaround...) Oh yeah, as far as the lack of a Patty single on radio yet, don't worry about it. Hopefully ATO takes the same route Epic took with John Mayer... i.e. waiting until there's a story (Rolling Stone write-up, sold-out shows, late-show appearances) before really pushing a single. Only now is "No Such Thing" starting to get heavy radio & video airplay, although the album's been out since June. That would really be the best way for Patty to develop. Sheryl Crow, on the other hand, hit big in the Lilith Fair days and now she's trying to compete in a Top 40 world with girls half her age... That's why they're pushing such a poppy single to promote the album... If it doesn't stick at the radio and the album doesn't have good first-week sales, Sheryl's new album will be perceived as a "disappointment" by the industry. Hey, I don't make the rules, I'm just telling you how it is... - --rICH Listen to Rich: Check out the official website of Backyard Green, featuring tour dates, lyrics, pictures, and sound clips from the new album: http://www.backyardgreen.com And be sure to check out Rich's solo website at: http://listen.to/rich.com http://www.geocities.com/richardchallen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:06:34 EST From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: MM: re: best support If you order 1,000 Kisses through pattygriffin.net it brings you to the same place you'd order it through ATO. So you're supporting the site, adding to Patty's sales in a direct way, telling the label directly you love her, and cutting down all middlemen between you & the record company. PLUS you can pre-order with their fastest shipping & they guarantee (sp?) you'll have it on (or before) April 9th. Plus the people at the site are really nice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:08:09 From: "Amy Emerman" Subject: MM: NPC: Amy Emerman - Confirmed April GIGS Amy Emerman - upcoming gigs Monday, April 15, 7pm THE CNOTE Avenue C between 9th & 10th Streets No cover Friday, April 26th, 8:30 pm SUN MUSIC COMPANY 340 East 71st Street between 1st & 2nd Avenues doors open 8pm exciting showcase of new voices w/Elisa Korenne, Kevin Paul & Dylan Nirvana $10 ticket For bookings or more information please contact Amy Emerman at amye6@hotmail.com. HOPE TO SEE YOU SOME OF YOU LOVELY PEOPLES THERE! NO EXCUSES! ;-)))) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:49:12 EST From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: cheap seats Ha ha, I saw The Badlees & Patty play for $5 a few different times. Also, Darcie Miner & Nancy Micciulla for NO COVER CHARGE was about as beautiful good as it gets. :-) Also, I saw Nikka Costa in a SOLD OUT venue for $8. She could have easily charged twice that & sold that place out. :-) Dave ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #106 *********************************