From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #100 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, March 26 2002 Volume 06 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: RE: my 2 cents ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: RE: RE: my 2 cents ["Moody, Bryan" ] Re: MM: My $20 worth [David Tumbarello ] MM: enough. ["Jessica Boyer" ] MM: new member here--Patty at SXSW [Balmoon@aol.com] MM: The Sar-Ocean ["Lou Ann Muhm" ] MM: couldn't disagree more ["keene beach" ] Re: Fwd: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! [Chris Negrin ] Re: MM: couldn't disagree more [Matt Fotter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:49:01 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: MM: RE: my 2 cents >did she move eight spots up or down? could she have possibly found a better spot? I was parked in the back row that ran parallel to the front of the building. She did not improve her position. She was waiting for someone the same as me. And I thought I was doing the polite thing by leaving the close spots open for people that were walking in. >...and now to a men are pigs and women deserve it thing If you're referring to me, I never said (or implied) that women deserve what they get. My point was that we get what we get by no fault of our own. Thus, the evil of stereotyping. >a lot of women are slaves to fashion, myself included I will NEVER accept that statement. Try shopping somewhere else. If you're willing to sacrifice your personal taste and dignity for trendiness, that's your problem. I've been through the malls recently, and not every store is peddling skin-tight jeans and half-shirts. If you don't want to shop somewhere else because you're afraid people won't think you're cool, don't complain about your fashion options being limited. They're not, your willingness to be different and stand up for yourself is. But if you like the jeans, like you say you do, why are you complaining about the current fashion trends? - -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Micciulla [mailto:harmony98@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:14 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: my 2 cents just a couple of things, not meant to be taken too seriously. . . to the guy who was playing golf on his handheld -- did she move eight spots up or down? could she have possibly found a better spot? and how did this turn into a man/woman debate? from what i gathered, this all started from a nikka costa thing and then it went to a britney thing, and then it went to a virgin/sluts thing, and now to a men are pigs and women deserve it thing -- isn't this a patty list? when i was younger i used to laugh at my mom for wearing bell-bottoms when she was a teenager. she simply explained to me that nothing else was available. today, no matter what size we are, clothes are cut small. in the words of dar williams, "and now i'm in this clothing store, and the sign says less is more, more that's tight means more to see, more for them not more for me -- that won't help me climb a tree in ten seconds flat" a lot of women are slaves to fashion, myself included. and yes, it's my own fault, but it's not as if i can find anything else to wear. plus, those low waisted jeans are so much more comfortable -- there's no button or zipper digging into my skin when i sit down. and last but not least: peter pan is not a pixie. tinkerbell is. nancy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:54:33 -0500 From: "Moody, Bryan" Subject: MM: RE: RE: my 2 cents Uh..dude...slow yer roll! - -----Original Message----- From: Willms, Gregory J. [mailto:Gregory.Willms@qwest.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:49 PM To: 'Nancy Micciulla'; 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: MM: RE: my 2 cents >did she move eight spots up or down? could she have possibly found a better spot? I was parked in the back row that ran parallel to the front of the building. She did not improve her position. She was waiting for someone the same as me. And I thought I was doing the polite thing by leaving the close spots open for people that were walking in. >...and now to a men are pigs and women deserve it thing If you're referring to me, I never said (or implied) that women deserve what they get. My point was that we get what we get by no fault of our own. Thus, the evil of stereotyping. >a lot of women are slaves to fashion, myself included I will NEVER accept that statement. Try shopping somewhere else. If you're willing to sacrifice your personal taste and dignity for trendiness, that's your problem. I've been through the malls recently, and not every store is peddling skin-tight jeans and half-shirts. If you don't want to shop somewhere else because you're afraid people won't think you're cool, don't complain about your fashion options being limited. They're not, your willingness to be different and stand up for yourself is. But if you like the jeans, like you say you do, why are you complaining about the current fashion trends? - -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Micciulla [mailto:harmony98@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:14 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: my 2 cents just a couple of things, not meant to be taken too seriously. . . to the guy who was playing golf on his handheld -- did she move eight spots up or down? could she have possibly found a better spot? and how did this turn into a man/woman debate? from what i gathered, this all started from a nikka costa thing and then it went to a britney thing, and then it went to a virgin/sluts thing, and now to a men are pigs and women deserve it thing -- isn't this a patty list? when i was younger i used to laugh at my mom for wearing bell-bottoms when she was a teenager. she simply explained to me that nothing else was available. today, no matter what size we are, clothes are cut small. in the words of dar williams, "and now i'm in this clothing store, and the sign says less is more, more that's tight means more to see, more for them not more for me -- that won't help me climb a tree in ten seconds flat" a lot of women are slaves to fashion, myself included. and yes, it's my own fault, but it's not as if i can find anything else to wear. plus, those low waisted jeans are so much more comfortable -- there's no button or zipper digging into my skin when i sit down. and last but not least: peter pan is not a pixie. tinkerbell is. nancy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:58:20 -0800 (PST) From: David Tumbarello Subject: Re: MM: My $20 worth Is it possible to over-post? I apologize. I didn't say the song was written from a male perspective. She says "stupid girl......" out of sarcasm, as if those words in that verse are coming out of a man's mouth, or all the men thru history who thought that way. Patty doesn't think that way. You and I don't think that way. But there are some people out there who may believe the woman who got murdered deserved it for the way she dressed. DT - ------------------------------------- - -Regardless of what someone may have heard in an interview with Patty, how are the lyrics "stupid girl/she was dressed like/she deserved everything that she got/bloody pumps/dead girl/hey world/thanks a lot thanks a lot" about a man? Maybe the song is written from a male perspective, that I can accept. But I would hope it's not from the perspecitve of anyone Patty would call a friend.... Please explain. :) Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:40:42 -0600 From: "Jessica Boyer" Subject: MM: enough. ok, ok, i give in. i can't take it anymore, and i see no reason to. i am relatively new to this subscription list. i joined hoping to learn a little more about Patty and meet some more of her fans, and have intelligent discussion with others who feel passionately about the same music i do. now, people are emailing me individually just to insult me. obviously there are a few of you in here who benefit from bashing ideas and speaking rudely and closedminded-ly (ok, you can make fun of that if you want, yeah, i made it up.) but either you are on the wrong list, or i am. please don't get me wrong, i have met a few people in here with intelligent things to offer and the willingness to listen to new ideas. i have learned a few new things about Patty and have enjoyed our discussions. but my life is too stressful already to need even a couple strangers telling me what to think, or attacking the basis for any of my beliefs or traits. don henn: thanks for the link, i tried. oh well! :) sadly, jhesi boyer, unsubscribed the Dictionary.com definition: close-mind7ed (klsmndd, klz-) or closed-mind7ed (klzd-)adj. Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:48:17 EST From: Balmoon@aol.com Subject: MM: new member here--Patty at SXSW Hi-- Thought I'd introduce myself. I just joined this list a few days ago, thanks to Dana, who I know from the Jackson Browne list we're both on. I've been a Patty fan since Living With Ghosts came out, and have seen her live four times now--once opening for Shawn Colvin, twice at the Verde Valley Music Festival in Sedona, and once at the Concert for a Landmine-Free World this past fall in Chicago (speaking of which, if anyone has a recording of that concert, please email me offlist--I'd love to trade for it!). Anyway, had to check twice to make sure I signed up for the Patty list and not the Britney list--lol--never dreamed you'd be discussing Britney on this list! But we get off topic on the Jackson list all the time, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised . . . :-) For my first contribution to this list, here's a nice review of Patty's appearance at SXSW--and my apologies if this has already been posted before I joined up here. Best wishes, Beverly http://austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-03-22/music_roundup8.html Southern Rock Opera BY CHRISTOPHER HESS March 22, 2002: Patty Griffin Jovita's, Friday 15 To hear total silence fall over any crowd during SXSW is unusual at the very least and amazing at best. To hush a packed room during a free day show where people are eating is downright spectacular. Patty Griffin is one of those artists who commands that kind of attention, and when the petite Austinite took the stage in a lacey black dress with long black leather arm bands and an acoustic guitar she had every eye and ear in the joint. Backed by accordion/ keyboards, cello, and a guitarist, Griffin started out with a few tunes off her upcoming album, guaranteeing that at least everyone here would be buying a copy. "Chief" was a highlight, an intense narrative sung as only Griffin can with a series of short and effective mandolin breakdowns. Then she tore into "Flaming Red," the raucous and rocking title track off her last album. Take away the drums and the electric guitars and this song is even more urgent, more convincing. Turns through her "Mad Mission" and Springsteen's "Stolen Car" floored everyone. It was a lovefest, sure enough, and Griffin was as gracious and appreciative of the attention as everyone there was grateful for the show. If this show was any indication, ATO Records made the smartest move possible in picking up Griffin's next album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:14:34 -0600 From: "Lou Ann Muhm" Subject: MM: The Sar-Ocean >> > Wow! Two totally missed jokes in a row. You must be a blast at >>parties. >> > >> > That's the joke--it is INTENTIONALLY misspelled. Sar- from sarcasm, >>and >> > Chasm---like areally big, wide divide. That's what is funny about it! >> > >>From: "Jessica Boyer" > 600 >> >>good cover. And the chasm widens..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:11:56 -0500 From: "keene beach" Subject: MM: couldn't disagree more "These 'artists' (for lack of a better term) are NOT in competition with Patty. They serve entirely different needs musically." That's exactly what Silver Bell being shelved was all about, it's the current state of the music industry. Artistry and substance disregarded for product. In Sink( I know how its spelled), Britney, the Aquilera one, Backstreet Brats, et. al. are nothing more than Big Macs and Whoppers--they are cheap, taste good temporarily, but a constant diet of them will kill, or in the case of the music industry create mindless sheep. No there is nothing wrong with lighthearted, fun music. But when it squashes the earnest songwriters that have talent and something to contribute this is what pisses me off. I know, its a business and if talent sold as much as tits and ass Patty and others like her would have their own HBO specials. But to say they are not in competition is naive. Keene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Negrin Subject: Re: Fwd: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! My 2 cents; Dress how you want, but know that generally if you dress like whore you'll find yourself in the company of pimps, dress like princess and you'll find yourself in the company of pumpkins. - --Chris Ma'eee wrote: I think mid drift is better! It is what happen after one or two children; your midriff turns into a mid-drift! EM - --- Femboty2k@aol.com wrote: > okay, so it's a midriff....Yet another misused > word/phrase I can add to my > silly little twit girl list. > > mid drift > nip it in the butt > doggy dog world > Return-path: > From: Femboty2k@aol.com > Full-name: Femboty2k > Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:30:27 EST > Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10564 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from > multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used > was text/plain > > You tell em! Darcie! > > I'd pay to get on stage and have a million people > checking out my mid drift > and I love every minute of. Yeah baby! > > My whole point is little girls ARE NOT porn stars > and they are not drug > addicts. Yes they may grow up to become drug > addicts with needles in their > arms and prostituting themselves but not because of > Britney Spears or any one > of her likes. But because they are confused and > misguided. They are confused > by their fathers and mothers (or lack of), and > uncles, brothers, next door > neighbors and priests. Get it? Do you understand? > They are fucked up in the > head because someone moron somewhere said modesty > was a requirement to being > a girl and if you were anything but modest then you > were a slut. > > The attitude that there is something wrong with the > way Britney Spears > dresses is the very attitude that gets women > mistreated and raped. It's the > attitude that confuses little girls. How do you > explain to a seven year old > that YOU don't like Britney's outfit. What do you > say? It's not pretty. I > don't like that color. Think about that for a > minute. You wonder why women > are psycho? We're' psycho because we are told when > we are young to grow up > and be nice girls, while our fathers pat our > brothers on the back for having > more than one girlfriend > > Now we're saying that it's not okay for Britney > Spears to dress they way she > wants. Why? What is all this for? What is wrong > with the female body? > What is wrong with posing for playboy? Someone > please tell me! What is so > wrong with being a women! > > Someone also needs to tell me why we treat hard core > criminals better then we > treat women who are unfortunate enough to be on the > street. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:14:49 -0500 From: Greg Smith Subject: MM: Truth 1? Okay, so Truth Part 2 was intended for Silver Bell. Anyone know what Truth 1 was recorded for? Was it recorded for the Silver Bell sessions but not included? Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:39:22 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Fotter Subject: Re: MM: couldn't disagree more On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, keene beach wrote: > No there is > nothing wrong with lighthearted, fun music. But when it squashes the > earnest songwriters that have talent and something to contribute this is > what pisses me off. I know, its a business and if talent sold as much as Just being a strawman here, but to a degree, isn't being able to sell 1.5 million cds in a week a talent in itself? While the music maybe crap, being able to get all the thing to you need to have come together to pull off such a feat ala N'Sync/BSB is pretty damn impressive. And now for a disclaimer - by far my fav musician is Zappa so I feel pretty comfy with my opinion in the whole "but he's got _talent_ so he should sell gazillions of records!" thang. While I'm on my soapbox, I gotta admit - I've alwasy kinda liked "smaller" artists. I'd rather see Patty or whomever rock the house, being obliged to connect with their fans in a dinky venue than some plastic band in some mondo stadium. The smaller pool of fans encourages the artist to put more effort into their relationship with the fans, and well as this listserv shows, the fans are usually alot more passionate about the artist. (Whoa, what a run-on!) Oddly, I'll rue the day when Patty gets big. Flame on baby, I've got asbestos underwear;) m- - -- matt fotter http://www.fotter.com/ up 2 days 20 hours 38 minutes ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #100 *********************************