From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #97 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, March 26 2002 Volume 06 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Come on.... [diamondmask@juno.com] Fwd: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! [Femboty2k@aol.com] Re: MM: Come on.... [Femboty2k@aol.com] Re: MM: Come on.... [Kaycee973@aol.com] Re: MM: Come on.... [Kaycee973@aol.com] Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! ["Jessica Boyer" ] MM: provacative women ["folkyboy" ] MM: Flaming Red-current thread summary [Danalee7@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:23:58 -0800 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: Come on.... I wasn't going to continue weighing in on this, but I gotta. The attitude that there is something wrong with the way Britney Spears dresses is the very attitude that gets women mistreated and raped. Sorry. Women get raped because some guy has a screw loose in the head. Women get mistreated because they put up with it. Leave. Think about that for a minute. You wonder why women are psycho? We're' psycho because we are told when we are young to grow up and be nice girls, while our fathers pat our brothers on the back for having more than one girlfriend Well then, if that's the case, how about teaching those little girls that it's not equal? Instead of Barbie, and dress up, how about this is what men are about, this is what women are about? Why train little girls for marriage and a dream of 1950 sitcom happiness when we all know that just isn't going to happen? How about telling girls what life is like? Brittney is just an example. You can make a lot of money by whoring yourself up. Madonna has made a freakin' fortune doing the same thing, but she knew that going in, and she makes no bones about it. Men get stupid at the sight of a young, hard body. Period. Through in cleavage, both breast and buttock, and you got a winning combo. Now we're saying that it's not okay for Brine Spears to dress they way she wants. Why? What is all this for? What is wrong with the female body? What is wrong with posing for playboy? Someone please tell me! What is so wrong with being a women! It's just fine that Britney dresses the way she does. The way she hump dances, and the way she uses her eyes and tongue to show how interested she is in doing every guy who's watching. That's her music. That's her money maker. Maybe someday she'll find the people that will exploit her talent, which I'm willing to bet she has a lot of. Good God. There is nothing wrong with the female body! You guys have all the power! There are more of you than there are of "us". If you really wanted change, you'd back candidates that would do it for you. You'd vote. (More men vote than women) You could kick our asses if you really wanted to. Makes some of us men wonder if you really want to be truly equal. Britney is just making money from sex. Or the illusion of it. The songs are drivel. They don't "mean" anything. It's corporate music put to the latest drum backing with good looking kids, of all colors, writhing around. But that's ok. It's the nature of the current beast. And as long as you're spending the bucks on throwaway music, it will continue. I've spent my share of money on crap music believe me. But please don't ask what's wrong with being a woman when the subject is dry humping her dance partner with come get me eyes. Don't talk about women being "powerful" when they still equate their power with seducing men. It just doesn't wash. john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:37:45 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: Fwd: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! okay, so it's a midriff....Yet another misused word/phrase I can add to my silly little twit girl list. mid drift nip it in the butt doggy dog world Return-path: From: Femboty2k@aol.com Full-name: Femboty2k Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:30:27 EST Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! To: mad-mission@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10564 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain You tell em! Darcie! I'd pay to get on stage and have a million people checking out my mid drift and I love every minute of. Yeah baby! My whole point is little girls ARE NOT porn stars and they are not drug addicts. Yes they may grow up to become drug addicts with needles in their arms and prostituting themselves but not because of Britney Spears or any one of her likes. But because they are confused and misguided. They are confused by their fathers and mothers (or lack of), and uncles, brothers, next door neighbors and priests. Get it? Do you understand? They are fucked up in the head because someone moron somewhere said modesty was a requirement to being a girl and if you were anything but modest then you were a slut. The attitude that there is something wrong with the way Britney Spears dresses is the very attitude that gets women mistreated and raped. It's the attitude that confuses little girls. How do you explain to a seven year old that YOU don't like Britney's outfit. What do you say? It's not pretty. I don't like that color. Think about that for a minute. You wonder why women are psycho? We're' psycho because we are told when we are young to grow up and be nice girls, while our fathers pat our brothers on the back for having more than one girlfriend Now we're saying that it's not okay for Britney Spears to dress they way she wants. Why? What is all this for? What is wrong with the female body? What is wrong with posing for playboy? Someone please tell me! What is so wrong with being a women! Someone also needs to tell me why we treat hard core criminals better then we treat women who are unfortunate enough to be on the street. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:17:19 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Come on.... You sound like a pig? Believe me she's not interested in doing every guy that's watching. She's just being sexy. It's entertainment. Is there something wrong with that? You got a problem with sexy women? Is there something wrong with sex? We live in a world where people call young women that they don't even know silly little twits just because they don't like their them. No, you didn't say that, but someone else did! Yes that gets women hurt! As far as being mis-treated, you suggest leave...do you live in a cave? The same jackasses who harm women are the one's who say Britney Spears wants to fuck every guy that watches her! You see, they live in a dream world that assumes just because a women has turned them on then it's okay to act. And the attitude that Britney Spears is a silly little twit suggests to the jackasses of the world that women like her arn't worthy of being treated with respect. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:18:57 EST From: Kaycee973@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Come on.... AMEN TO THAT JOHN! i don't think that i got my point across as eloquently as u did.. but u said what i meant. there is a total double standard and it isn't going to change. its completely unfair. i would like to share a personal experience to show just what actually goes on out there in relation to the way u dress and what people think. i was attacked a few years ago. i knew the piece of shit that tried to rape me. we were "friends". anyway, i had him arrested and did the right thing as far as that is concerned. when i got to District Attorney Linda Fairstein's (the chief prosecutor of sex crimes) office ... the first question out of her mouth was WHAT WERE U WEARING?. for those of u that think u can dress anyway u want and its the mans problem if he cant control himself.. is an unrealistic way of thinking. while i agree, it is the mans problem, we--as women-- know how men are and what they react to. women dress to get reaction. when the reaction is good ... it can make a woman's day.. when the reaction is bad ... it can ruin it. so i don't quite believe it when a woman says that she dresses for herself, to make herself happy. Maybe some woman do. But not most. And when adolescent girls see the way men react a certain type of dress, then they dress that way for the reaction which in turn makes them feel happy. Which is really molding their lives to what a man wants. Where is the girl power in that? i am all for women being able to dress the way they want, whether its midriff baring shirts and superlow rise jeans or a burqua, and there be no negative reprocussions.. but that isn't the way of the world. ~kim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:20:12 EST From: Kaycee973@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Come on.... AMEN TO THAT JOHN! i don't think that i got my point across as eloquently as u did.. but u said what i meant. there is a total double standard and it isn't going to change. its completely unfair. i would like to share a personal experience to show just what actually goes on out there in relation to the way u dress and what people think. i was attacked a few years ago. i knew the piece of shit that tried to rape me. we were "friends". anyway, i had him arrested and did the right thing as far as that is concerned. when i got to District Attorney Linda Fairstein's (the chief prosecutor of sex crimes) office ... the first question out of her mouth was WHAT WERE U WEARING?. for those of u that think u can dress anyway u want and its the mans problem if he cant control himself.. is an unrealistic way of thinking. while i agree, it is the mans problem, we--as women-- know how men are and what they react to. women dress to get reaction. when the reaction is good ... it can make a woman's day.. when the reaction is bad ... it can ruin it. so i don't quite believe it when a woman says that she dresses for herself, to make herself happy. Maybe some woman do. But not most. And when adolescent girls see the way men react a certain type of dress, then they dress that way for the reaction which in turn makes them feel happy. Which is really molding their lives to what a man wants. Where is the girl power in that? i am all for women being able to dress the way they want, whether its midriff baring shirts and superlow rise jeans or a burqua, and there be no negative reprocussions.. but that isn't the way of the world. ~kim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:41:40 -0600 From: "Jessica Boyer" Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! spelling: a skill completely inaccessible to some. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "LouAnn Muhm" To: "'MM'" Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! > > i think Gregory J. Willms is absolutely right. i can even forgive him for > > rubbing in his high IQ. > > > > :) > > Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who > doesn't get it. :) > > Evilly, > LouAnn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:46:30 -0800 From: "V Chenevey" Subject: Re: MM: Come on.... <<<>> If the way a woman dresses provokes a man to rape, why aren't all rape victims young and sexy and scantily clad, and why aren't all young and sexy and scantily clad women who are within eye sight of a man raped? Rape is a crime of violence, carried out by a misogynistic man. With all due respect to Kim, who has acknowledged a personal attack, the above statement concerning "how men are" and how men can't control themselves is as disrepectful and untrue as any other prejudicial statement against any other group. Perhaps what is needed is personal responsibility, whereby the perpetrator is accountable for his or her own actions, not the victim. Regards, Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:50:36 -0600 From: "folkyboy" Subject: MM: provacative women in the hopes of working this into PATTY GRIFFIN content, is the song Flaming Red about being raped? cos that line "nothing can please usssss" and she drags it out...it sounds like she's almost ANGRY at a rape or a victimization of some such just because she wore something provacatively. am i the only one who feels this? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 01:11:02 EST From: Danalee7@aol.com Subject: MM: Flaming Red-current thread summary n the hopes of working this into PATTY GRIFFIN content, is the song Flaming Red about being raped? cos that line "nothing can please usssss" and she drags it out...it sounds like she's almost ANGRY at a rape or a victimization of some such just because she wore something provacatively. am i the only one who feels this? I would say that this song sums it up pretty well- it is exactly the situation you all have been chewing on the the past few days. It is on my less fave Patty song list because it is not my fave subject I guess and it is also appropriately too loud and rowdy for me, but it is very accurate. As usual, she nailed it and I can hold the song in high esteem for that. {Don't flame me for sacrilege, I love probably 95 % of Patty's songs and that is a really high ratio for me for all of the singer-songwriters that I love. } Dana in Berkeley "She deserved everything that she got. " Patty Griffin ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #97 ********************************