From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #96 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, March 25 2002 Volume 06 : Number 096 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Re: One Big Cover...B+P [IUDoReMi@aol.com] MM: Re: Gift CD - Living With Ghosts [DM13DM@aol.com] MM: RE: Sex Appeal [David Lewis ] MM: Music and Prostitutes [diamondmask@juno.com] RE: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! ["Willms, Gregory J." ] MM: NPC: Lucy Kaplansky ["Stephen VanKerckhove" ] Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! [Femboty2k@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:59:51 EST From: IUDoReMi@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: One Big Cover...B+P As Russ did mention (but I will clarify), the members of Live From New York are individual singer songwriters with individual careers. They are based out of New York, individually, and often play on each other's shows, cd's, etc. So they had this great idea to start playing together sometimes so that you, the audience, could be introduced to them all at once. So that was the name they chose. Frankly, I think it's a good one. They are not a band. They each have their own band. They are individual musicians who tour together sometimes. - -Carrie << What kind of name is that for a band? What happens when they do a concert in NY...do they call it "Live From New York Live From New York"??? >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 07:15:42 EST From: DM13DM@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Gift CD - Living With Ghosts In a message dated 3/25/02 1:35:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, xenacrazy@att.net writes: << wow, is that site reliable? cuz they have so many cds i want for only 8 bucks! have you ordered from there? it sounds too good to be true - -Lisa >> I've been using them for over a year now and I've probably ordered from them 5 times. Very reliable and good customer service (I had to return an item once). Can't beat the prices! Take care, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:23:50 -0400 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: RE: Sex Appeal Sex appeal is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I find Natalie Merchant a whole lot sexier than Brittney! Brittney is a silly little twit with huge fake boobs. She not a 'real' person in my eye, she's a product, a commodity... by choice. She looks more like a porn star to me than an artist. As for the music business, there's no doubt at all that in recent years it has gotten more and more... uh... misogynistic. Maybe that's a little too strong a word... but you get the idea :) The thing is, that's what people want... otherwise the record companies wouldn't be producing it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 05:29:53 -0800 From: diamondmask@juno.com Subject: MM: Music and Prostitutes What I find funny is that these little girls are pumping their arms in the air being all about "girl power", while at the same time dressing for the baser instincts of men. It's not about equality or empowerment, it's about showing your belly and the crack of your ass to get what you want. It's not about music, it's about being a mannequin for a record label. It's not about talent, though she obviously has talent, it's recipe music. I've never heard of Nikki Costa, but I certainly don't blame her for opening for one of the hottest acts around these days...jeeze. There may be a few girls out there who before they start screaming for Brittney, may actually listen. Didn't the Who open for the Monkees at one time? Or was that Jimi Hendrix? Anyway, don't confuse Brittney with music. She's in the music business, which has little to do with music. It has everything to do with hype and creating images. Patty is about music. (Besides, we're all whores. We take money by providing a service. That is if you work.....) jiswa ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:37:18 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! >Maybe I'm so sensitive to this because I'm on a national label.< Maybe I'm so sensitive to all of this idiocy because I'm a physicist with an IQ of 265. No they aren't posing in Playboy today, but give them a few years, wait until the fad passes. I can see the headlines now... "Former Pop Starlet Spears Found Unconscious In Alley With Needle In Arm" I wouldn't call Christina and Britney whores, not in the classical sense. They're probably not down in the Bowery district turning tricks, but it is kinda sad that these talentless puppets are the paradigm for every young girl. It's not only what they ARE, it's what they represent and what they mean culturally. I find it horribly loathsome that Britney Spears has become the new "men want her and women want to be her". She personifies everything that I hate about American culture (if there is such a thing). As far as Nikka Costa goes... I never heard anything of hers before this thread, so I decided to go out and listen to some clips. I'm not trying to deliberately piss anyone off here, but it just sounds like the same overproduced and pre-packaged crap that they sell under Britney's name. Let's see how much loss of self-control that sentence creates. Don't take it personally, folks. - -----Original Message----- From: * Darcie * [mailto:welshwitch79@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 7:43 PM To: Kaycee973@aol.com Cc: MM Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! I CAN TYPE IN CAPS TOO. YES IT'S A BIZNAZ. AND DRESSING SEXY SELLS RECORDS, AND THOSE GIRLS ARE TOOLS TO MAKE MONEY. THAT IS WHAT THEIR LABELS WANT THEM TO DO, AND THAT IS WHY THEY SIGNED. LITTLE GILRS EMULATING BRITNEY? WELL IF THEY'RE SO LITTLE, (NOT OLD ENOUGH TO HOLD A JOB) HOW DO THEY BUY THESE RECORDS AND SEE CHRISTINA OR BRITNEY??? BECAUSE THEY'RE PARENTS BUY THEM THEIR CDS AND PAY THE CABLE BILL. This shouldn't be this big a deal. How can you mix prostitution with the music business? Maybe I'm so sensitive to this because I'm on a national label. These girls aren't posing in Biggin's or Penthouse or some crazy shit like that. Don't get your panties in a wad for Christ's sake. And another thing, I applaud Nikka for touring as the opener for Britney. I would do it. She'll blow Britney off the stage, as long as young girls feebles minds can take Nikka... she's TOO awesome. Which equals more exposure for Nikka. Speaking of sex appeal -----Dave, am I wrong or right here, Nikka has GOT some sex appeal! Quite a CRACK between the Brits and Christinas.... Have you ever seen the vid for Like a Feather? Good GOD how does she keep that shirt on! word. ~darc, or shall i say the younger, yet female, and much more hot version of evil gary, and doesn't have a problem going onstage wearing belly shirts to show off her navel ring and back tattoo! haha! http://www.darcieminerband.com http://www.beyondmusic.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaycee973@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:49 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM:SEX APPEAL THEN IT SHOULD BE ABOUT THE MUSIC.. NOT SEX TO SELL THE MUSIC.. AND WHEN 'TEEN IDOLS' LIKE BRITTENY SPEARS OR CHRISTINA AGUILERA DRESS THE WAY THEY DO.. FOR BUSINESS... LITTLE GIRLS WANT TO EMULATE THEM. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. ISNT PROSTITUTION A BUSINESS TOO? ~KIMGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:04:27 EST From: Kaycee973@aol.com Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! I TYPED IN CAPS BECAUSE I AM AT WORK AND NEED CAPS TO DO THE OTHER WORK THAT I HAVE TO DO. JUST SO U KNOW.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:03:29 -0600 From: "Jessica Boyer" Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! i think Gregory J. Willms is absolutely right. i can even forgive him for rubbing in his high IQ. :) > >Maybe I'm so sensitive to this because I'm on a national label.< > > Maybe I'm so sensitive to all of this idiocy because I'm a physicist with an > IQ of 265. No they aren't posing in Playboy today, but give them a few > years, wait until the fad passes. I can see the headlines now... "Former > Pop Starlet Spears Found Unconscious In Alley With Needle In Arm" > > I wouldn't call Christina and Britney whores, not in the classical sense. > They're probably not down in the Bowery district turning tricks, but it is > kinda sad that these talentless puppets are the paradigm for every young > girl. It's not only what they ARE, it's what they represent and what they > mean culturally. I find it horribly loathsome that Britney Spears has > become the new "men want her and women want to be her". She personifies > everything that I hate about American culture (if there is such a thing). > > As far as Nikka Costa goes... I never heard anything of hers before this > thread, so I decided to go out and listen to some clips. I'm not trying to > deliberately piss anyone off here, but it just sounds like the same > overproduced and pre-packaged crap that they sell under Britney's name. > Let's see how much loss of self-control that sentence creates. Don't take > it personally, folks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: * Darcie * [mailto:welshwitch79@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 7:43 PM > To: Kaycee973@aol.com > Cc: MM > Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! > > I CAN TYPE IN CAPS TOO. YES IT'S A BIZNAZ. AND DRESSING SEXY SELLS > RECORDS, > AND THOSE GIRLS ARE TOOLS TO MAKE MONEY. THAT IS WHAT THEIR LABELS WANT > THEM > TO DO, AND THAT IS WHY THEY SIGNED. > LITTLE GILRS EMULATING BRITNEY? WELL IF THEY'RE SO LITTLE, (NOT OLD ENOUGH > TO > HOLD A JOB) HOW DO THEY BUY THESE RECORDS AND SEE CHRISTINA OR BRITNEY??? > BECAUSE THEY'RE PARENTS BUY THEM THEIR CDS AND PAY THE CABLE BILL. This > shouldn't be this big a deal. How can you mix prostitution with the music > business? Maybe I'm so sensitive to this because I'm on a national label. > These girls aren't posing in Biggin's or Penthouse or some crazy shit like > that. Don't get your panties in a wad for Christ's sake. > And another thing, I applaud Nikka for touring as the opener for Britney. I > would do it. She'll blow Britney off the stage, as long as young girls > feebles minds can take Nikka... she's TOO awesome. Which equals more > exposure > for Nikka. Speaking of sex appeal -----Dave, am I wrong or right here, > Nikka > has GOT some sex appeal! Quite a CRACK between the Brits and Christinas.... > Have you ever seen the vid for Like a Feather? Good GOD how does she keep > that shirt on! > word. > ~darc, or shall i say the younger, yet female, and much more hot version of > evil gary, and doesn't have a problem going onstage wearing belly shirts to > show off her navel ring and back tattoo! haha! > http://www.darcieminerband.com > http://www.beyondmusic.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaycee973@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:49 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM:SEX APPEAL > > THEN IT SHOULD BE ABOUT THE MUSIC.. NOT SEX TO SELL THE MUSIC.. AND WHEN > 'TEEN > IDOLS' LIKE BRITTENY SPEARS OR CHRISTINA AGUILERA DRESS THE WAY THEY DO.. > FOR > BUSINESS... > LITTLE GIRLS WANT TO EMULATE THEM. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. > ISNT PROSTITUTION A BUSINESS TOO? > ~KIMGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:16:16 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! Thanks :) The IQ thing was a joke though. If my IQ really was 265, I'd probably too socially inept to communicate with other humans, even via e-mail... which I don't seem to be too good at anyhow. I'm unfortunately very sarcastic, which doesn't convey well over e-mail, so people usually end up missing my point and getting pissed at me. - -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Boyer [mailto:boyerj@pop.belmont.edu] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:03 AM To: Willms Gregory J.; '* Darcie *'; Kaycee973@aol.com Cc: 'MM' Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! i think Gregory J. Willms is absolutely right. i can even forgive him for rubbing in his high IQ. :) > >Maybe I'm so sensitive to this because I'm on a national label.< > > Maybe I'm so sensitive to all of this idiocy because I'm a physicist with an > IQ of 265. No they aren't posing in Playboy today, but give them a few > years, wait until the fad passes. I can see the headlines now... "Former > Pop Starlet Spears Found Unconscious In Alley With Needle In Arm" > > I wouldn't call Christina and Britney whores, not in the classical sense. > They're probably not down in the Bowery district turning tricks, but it is > kinda sad that these talentless puppets are the paradigm for every young > girl. It's not only what they ARE, it's what they represent and what they > mean culturally. I find it horribly loathsome that Britney Spears has > become the new "men want her and women want to be her". She personifies > everything that I hate about American culture (if there is such a thing). > > As far as Nikka Costa goes... I never heard anything of hers before this > thread, so I decided to go out and listen to some clips. I'm not trying to > deliberately piss anyone off here, but it just sounds like the same > overproduced and pre-packaged crap that they sell under Britney's name. > Let's see how much loss of self-control that sentence creates. Don't take > it personally, folks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: * Darcie * [mailto:welshwitch79@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 7:43 PM > To: Kaycee973@aol.com > Cc: MM > Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! > > I CAN TYPE IN CAPS TOO. YES IT'S A BIZNAZ. AND DRESSING SEXY SELLS > RECORDS, > AND THOSE GIRLS ARE TOOLS TO MAKE MONEY. THAT IS WHAT THEIR LABELS WANT > THEM > TO DO, AND THAT IS WHY THEY SIGNED. > LITTLE GILRS EMULATING BRITNEY? WELL IF THEY'RE SO LITTLE, (NOT OLD ENOUGH > TO > HOLD A JOB) HOW DO THEY BUY THESE RECORDS AND SEE CHRISTINA OR BRITNEY??? > BECAUSE THEY'RE PARENTS BUY THEM THEIR CDS AND PAY THE CABLE BILL. This > shouldn't be this big a deal. How can you mix prostitution with the music > business? Maybe I'm so sensitive to this because I'm on a national label. > These girls aren't posing in Biggin's or Penthouse or some crazy shit like > that. Don't get your panties in a wad for Christ's sake. > And another thing, I applaud Nikka for touring as the opener for Britney. I > would do it. She'll blow Britney off the stage, as long as young girls > feebles minds can take Nikka... she's TOO awesome. Which equals more > exposure > for Nikka. Speaking of sex appeal -----Dave, am I wrong or right here, > Nikka > has GOT some sex appeal! Quite a CRACK between the Brits and Christinas.... > Have you ever seen the vid for Like a Feather? Good GOD how does she keep > that shirt on! > word. > ~darc, or shall i say the younger, yet female, and much more hot version of > evil gary, and doesn't have a problem going onstage wearing belly shirts to > show off her navel ring and back tattoo! haha! > http://www.darcieminerband.com > http://www.beyondmusic.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaycee973@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:49 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM:SEX APPEAL > > THEN IT SHOULD BE ABOUT THE MUSIC.. NOT SEX TO SELL THE MUSIC.. AND WHEN > 'TEEN > IDOLS' LIKE BRITTENY SPEARS OR CHRISTINA AGUILERA DRESS THE WAY THEY DO.. > FOR > BUSINESS... > LITTLE GIRLS WANT TO EMULATE THEM. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. > ISNT PROSTITUTION A BUSINESS TOO? > ~KIMGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:10:47 -0600 From: LouAnn Muhm Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! > i think Gregory J. Willms is absolutely right. i can even forgive him for > rubbing in his high IQ. > > :) Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. :) Evilly, LouAnn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:04:53 -0500 From: "Stephen VanKerckhove" Subject: MM: NPC: Lucy Kaplansky I saw Lucy Kaplansky thevother night at the Ark in Ann Arbor, MI. She was phenomenal! Never saw her live before. Great performer, great entertainer. I swear she sounds like like Patty sometimes, with a little bit of Jewel thrown in for good measure. She did a new song about 9-11. She was in Manhattan at the time of the attack. The song was really good. My brother said Carry Newcomer (sp?) has done one too. Anyway, a rare post from a lurcker, SteveGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:30:27 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: Re: MM:talk about -SEX APPEAL!!!! You tell em! Darcie! I'd pay to get on stage and have a million people checking out my mid drift and I love every minute of. Yeah baby! My whole point is little girls ARE NOT porn stars and they are not drug addicts. Yes they may grow up to become drug addicts with needles in their arms and prostituting themselves but not because of Britney Spears or any one of her likes. But because they are confused and misguided. They are confused by their fathers and mothers (or lack of), and uncles, brothers, next door neighbors and priests. Get it? Do you understand? They are fucked up in the head because someone moron somewhere said modesty was a requirement to being a girl and if you were anything but modest then you were a slut. The attitude that there is something wrong with the way Britney Spears dresses is the very attitude that gets women mistreated and raped. It's the attitude that confuses little girls. How do you explain to a seven year old that YOU don't like Britney's outfit. What do you say? It's not pretty. I don't like that color. Think about that for a minute. You wonder why women are psycho? We're' psycho because we are told when we are young to grow up and be nice girls, while our fathers pat our brothers on the back for having more than one girlfriend Now we're saying that it's not okay for Britney Spears to dress they way she wants. Why? What is all this for? What is wrong with the female body? What is wrong with posing for playboy? Someone please tell me! What is so wrong with being a women! Someone also needs to tell me why we treat hard core criminals better then we treat women who are unfortunate enough to be on the street. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #96 ********************************