From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #93 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V6 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, March 23 2002 Volume 06 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: Patty group [Danalee7@aol.com] MM: RE:Silver Bell ["Melanie Holley" ] MM: RE: Gift CD [David Lewis ] Re: MM: RE: Gift CD [LouAnn Muhm ] MM: Disbelief ["Sean and Rebecca Courtney" ] Re: MM: Disbelief [aadler@juno.com] MM: Silver Bell ["Ellen Schneidenbach" ] Re: MM: Disbelief ["Sean and Rebecca Courtney" ] Re: MM: Disbelief [FlamingRed74@cs.com] Re: MM: Disbelief [Kaycee973@aol.com] Re: MM: Disbelief [IUDoReMi@aol.com] Re: MM: Disbelief [Femboty2k@aol.com] RE: MM: Disbelief ["Willms, Gregory J." ] Re: MM: Disbelief [FlamingRed74@cs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 02:03:59 EST From: Danalee7@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Patty group Hi Bev- it is mad-mission@smoe.org I think you sign on at a slightly different address tho. try PattyGriffin.Net: Time Does The Talking- there should be a link there on that discussion list site. Dana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:30:52 -0500 From: "Melanie Holley" Subject: MM: RE:Silver Bell If anyone would be willing to hook me up with a copy of Silver Bell, please contact me directly so we can arrange a deal. Thanks, Melanie - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.333 / Virus Database: 187 - Release Date: 3/8/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:25:40 -0400 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: RE: Gift CD Living With Ghosts was the first time I ever heard a CD I loved so much that I felt compelled to buy copies for other people as gifts. It's the only CD I have ever done that with. However, if I had to choose another gift CD, it would be either of Edie Carey's CD's. She just kills me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:00:55 -0600 From: LouAnn Muhm Subject: Re: MM: RE: Gift CD Gift CD's besides Patty? Hmmmm.... Eva Cassiday (Songbird) Sarah Harmer (You Were Here) Be Good Tanyas (Blue Horse) Rusted Root (When I Woke) plus a bunch of unsigned friends... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:30:10 -0600 From: "Sean and Rebecca Courtney" Subject: MM: Disbelief I just read that Nikka Costa is opening for Britney Spears on her tour. Does anyone else take offense to this? I am going to have to do some thinking about this one. http://music.yahoo.com/launch/news/rolling_stone/story.html?a=n/music/launch/ news/rolling_stone/rock/20020322/17/p1&b=n/music/launch/news/rolling_stone/ro ck/20020322/17/p2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:25:19 -0800 From: aadler@juno.com Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief It's a testament to the sorry state of affairs in the music business, but if she's got an opportunity for exposure to THAT many people, I can't blame her for taking it. I don't hear her getting a lot of exposure on radio and it DOES make more sense for her to open for Britney than for Patty, wouldn't you say? On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:30:10 -0600 "Sean and Rebecca Courtney" writes: > I just read that Nikka Costa is opening for Britney Spears on her > tour. Does > anyone else take offense to this? I am going to have to do some > thinking > about this one. > > http://music.yahoo.com/launch/news/rolling_stone/story.html?a=n/music/lau nch/ > news/rolling_stone/rock/20020322/17/p1&b=n/music/launch/news/rolling_ston e/ro > ck/20020322/17/p2 > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:05:06 -0500 From: "Ellen Schneidenbach" Subject: MM: Silver Bell Hi - I've been reading about the Silver Bell downloads from Audio Galaxy from alot of listers. Is it possible that someone could make me a copy? I am unable to download bcuz my computer is approaching Smithsonian Institute status. I no longer have a workable sound card & have no way of transferring any music to or from my computer. It's making me crazy that I can't hear those track. I'm already upset that I will be out of town when she comes to the NYC area. A dose of Silver Bell would help me out tremendously. I would REALLY appreciate it if someone could help me out. Thanks! E-mail me @ es65@webspan.net . Thanks!!!! :) - -Ellen S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:22:37 -0600 From: "Sean and Rebecca Courtney" Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief No, I would have to disagree. First of all, I wonder if the exposure that she will receive opening for Britney Spears is necessarily the type of exposure that someone with Ms. Costa's musical taste and talent would necessarily want, not to mention the fact that there is a very strong chance that her new audience will be lost on what she is doing on the stage, what with the instruments and all. I would venture to say that she, and her label, would reap MORE rewards as an opening act on a Patty tour than they will with the Britney tour. Examine these highly-likely scenarios: Patty show (lets say 250 people) - Nikka opens the show, sells a T-shirt to 10% of the crowd and a CD to half the audience either at the show or in the next week or so. Britney show (lets say 10000 people) - Nikka opens the show, kids run in horror that there is a woman making these weird sounds on the stage. Later, after being told that these "sounds" are called singing, the kids begin to wonder when this old lady is going to get off the stage so Britney can play. Nikka sells 30 CDs to parents of concert-goers who think that she was "really neat" and they never listen to the CDs again. I don't think these are far fetched scenarios. I still believe in credibility and respect, and if that means saying no to Britney Spears, that's what it means. In last month's No Depression, there was a great piece on Kasey Chambers. She said, in the interview, that her life's goal was to be Lucinda Williams so that she could walk down the street without getting mobbed, but still sell out 2,000 seaters whenever she wanted to. I found that comment refreshing in a time when too many recording "artists" and their respective labels are doing whatever they can to make a quick buck. I could go on forever on the issue of respect/credibility/sell-out/must make label happy in the music industry today (and apparently, I have gone on for half of forever) but I will stop....for now, and hope that Virgin is forcing Nikka to do this at gun-point. Sean responding to: It's a testament to the sorry state of affairs in the music business, but if she's got an opportunity for exposure to THAT many people, I can't blame her for taking it. I don't hear her getting a lot of exposure on radio and it DOES make more sense for her to open for Britney than for Patty, wouldn't you say? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:12:41 EST From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief In response to the Nikka Costa posts.. Oddly, I'm going to see her for the 2nd time tonight @ the 9:30 Club in DC. The 1st time I saw her was so incredible that I am willing to sit through about 3 or 4 hours of other music I've never heard of to see her at this Festival. I was originally supposed to be seeing her at this awesome theatre in a few weeks, but once the Britney thing went down all of her April dates were cancelled.. :-( There has been much talk about whether this is good for her or not over on the Nikka message board. Some points to think about. Britney will be "playing" in front of a crowd more the size of 20,000 than 10,000 on most nights. Nikka is not exactly an old lady by any means (she is the most beautiful and SWEETEST musician I've ever met). I don't think the little kiddies will be in any way turned off by her age, as she looks VERY young in person (22 maybe??), and also has VERY high energy. Most of the kids will be so far back that they wouldn't be able to tell if she was 40 anyway.. LOL (she's 29) While the Britney fans will have no idea what's going on up there "with all the instruments and all", I think they will be able to identify with some of Nikka's more pop-ish tunes, and she should probably stick to as many of those as possible. Heck, most of them may even be impressed that someone can actually SING that well, but I don't think most of them will have enough of a brain to figure that out. Best case scenario for Nikka of course, is that this could make HUGE waves, and by word of mouth kids will start to realize that there IS real music out there. With most music or artists opening for Britney I would say no one could get their attention in that way to cause such a "music revolution", but Nikka & her "superfly band" really are THAT good. I don't know what happened to put this tour together, but both Nikka and Britney are on Virgin. A few nights ago some fans were harassing Nikka about this while she was on stage, and I guess she put her finger to her mouth in a *sssshhhh!!* gesture. My guess is that she's not proud to be opening for Britney.. but it will be cool to go out there and totally show her up each and every night & if even 10% of the crowd likes her.. that's a LOT of money, and about 2,000 more fans that she didn't have before that night. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:19:44 EST From: Kaycee973@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief AND MAYBE THE PARENTS OF FANS THAT "CHAPERONE" THEIR KIDS TO THE CONCERT MIGHT ACTUALLY ENJOY A REAL MUSIC MAKER AND SONGBIRD... SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE THE WAY I FIGURE IT. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:26:08 EST From: IUDoReMi@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief AND...in addition to all of the pros and cons about Nikka opening for Britney (I can't believe I know how to spell her name), and making new fans, which she will undoubtedly do, even if it's just the boys in the crowd who think she's "hot"...in addition to all of this, how often will she be able to play for a crowd of 20,000? Even if none of these people becomes a fan, it is an incredible experience for her as a musician, for her band, etc. It's really nerve-racking even to play for these larger folk audiences of 800-2000. This is a great way for her to practice playing for a really large crowd...because the crowds don't get much larger than this, unless you're playing the Superbowl. These gigs pay a lot of money. Think of how much happier her musicians will be with their heavier paychecks or the nicer hotels? It's not an easy life. Nikka's not going anywhere in the next few years. Taking a month or a few months to play huge venues and stay in beautiful hotels won't do her any harm :) And at least she'll KNOW the towels and sheets are clean :) - -Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:53:07 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief Has anyone considering that Britney herself is getting older and would like to be appreciated by a more mature group of people. What better way to do it. Yes, it will take time, but if she's smart and I think she is (look at where she is today). She will be successful. She's a talented young lady...and let me emphasize "Young". Did it occur to you that maybe she LIKES Nikka Costa? Maybe she likes Patty Griffin. Maybe her musical tastes are just like yours? Did you ever think that maybe Nikka Costa likes Britney? Are you out there making something of yourself. Do you have the drive and nerve to get up in front of any audience and perform the way she does? I would bet that Britney makes more of herself in her life than any of you would ever give her credit for. Big deal she's popular, beautiful and appeals to the younger generation. She is young! Hats off to Britney. I hope this opening act lends some maturity to her act and sets the pace for her up and coming adult career! Peace and more power to the chicks! All chicks! Tina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:20:22 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: MM: Disbelief I'm not taking sides here or flaming anybody, I just want to take this on from a different angle, so bear with me... My wife's best friend has a step-mother named Suzanne. Suzanne has a sister named Leighanne (yeah, I know, the names are funny... give them a break, they're from Georgia) who is married to Brian from the Backstreet Boys. Like I said, bear with me. No, I don't care for their music, but I've had a chance to meet the guy a few times and he's offered some good insight into the business. More often than not, artists or groups don't get to pick their opening acts and opening acts don't really get to pick who they open for. If I had to guess, I'd say that anyone who's an opening act is just happy that they're playing at all, regardless of who their audience is. It's easy to sit here and say, "Well if I was Nikka Costa, I'd never open for Britney Spears." It goes beyond pride and selling out. Who's to say how she feels about opening for Britney? Brian told me that back when they were nobody's, they didn't care where they were performing or who it was for, they just wanted to be up on stage. And the simple fact of the matter is that until you've reached ultra mega star status, decisions are made for you. That's the way it works when you're working with a major label. The alternative is to go indie, but you have to understand what those people go through. It's really a matter of how long you can live day to day doing things your way. Independent artists simply do not get the exposure and marketing that the major acts do and therefore end up with less popularity and less money in their pockets. I don't care who you are, you WILL get tired of living the life of a starving artist. I would guess that most artists eventually "sell out" out of necessity. Something else I learned from Brian is that the music business is all give and take. You have to learn how to play the game, because that's what it is. You have to do things their way, and after they've marketed you to death, you've got the resources to what you want to do. They use you, you use them. Ethically, it's sketchy, but that's the way it works and it's not going to change. So back to the issue of Britney and Nikka... I wouldn't be at all surprised if neither of them chose this arrangement. And even though many music business honchos are pricks, you can bet that acts are billed the way they are for a reason. Nikka's name wasn't drawn out of a hat. "Sell-out" and "pride" are terms that do not apply in the music business. They don't exist. It's a different world that plays by different rules and unless you're a major label artist or a record executive, you'll never understand it fully. It's just not as simple as who likes who and who wants to open for who. It's not a matter of pride or constitution. - -----Original Message----- From: Femboty2k@aol.com [mailto:Femboty2k@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 1:53 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief Has anyone considering that Britney herself is getting older and would like to be appreciated by a more mature group of people. What better way to do it. Yes, it will take time, but if she's smart and I think she is (look at where she is today). She will be successful. She's a talented young lady...and let me emphasize "Young". Did it occur to you that maybe she LIKES Nikka Costa? Maybe she likes Patty Griffin. Maybe her musical tastes are just like yours? Did you ever think that maybe Nikka Costa likes Britney? Are you out there making something of yourself. Do you have the drive and nerve to get up in front of any audience and perform the way she does? I would bet that Britney makes more of herself in her life than any of you would ever give her credit for. Big deal she's popular, beautiful and appeals to the younger generation. She is young! Hats off to Britney. I hope this opening act lends some maturity to her act and sets the pace for her up and coming adult career! Peace and more power to the chicks! All chicks! Tina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:22:44 EST From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Subject: Re: MM: Disbelief Judging from Nikka's rants at her shows, I would say it's safe to say that she does NOT like Britney (at least her music).. she may like her as a person though, who knows? I seriously doubt Britney thought of the idea to take a highly acclaimed musician on tour with her.. but if she did, more power to her. I haven't thought about it from her point of view really... but I can't imagine her wanting to go up there & dancing around wearing almost nothing, and acting like a.. well, you know.. and lip synching to some bad "singing" in the 1st place, AFTER Nikka & her band tear the place up. Just seems like a conflict of interest to me.. but then again, maybe she's never heard Nikka sing live. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the fact of her wanting her music to mature as she gets older. I just would NOT want to go up and try to follow Nikka Costa, unless I had a voice like Patty's. :-) Even then I would have my worries, b/c Nikka's band is awesome. Dave ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #93 ********************************