From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #82 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, March 13 2002 Volume 06 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: patty on Carnival of voices ["folkyboy" ] MM: First Thoughts on Silver Bell ["Thomas H. Kercheval" ] Re: MM: silver bell shn? please? [Greg Smith ] MM: RE: silver bell shn? please? ["Connell, Michael P" ] MM: Correction ["Don Henn" ] MM: RE: Re: Top of the World & Truth [Stephen Golato ] MM: NPC: Rosie Thomas [ronni heggen ] Re: MM: Silver Bell thoughts [beccasean@peoplepc.com] MM: Re: Top of the World & Truth [beccasean@peoplepc.com] MM: Starr Hill cd weed ["Melissa Fisk" ] Re: MM: Silver Bell thoughts [MactheMutt@aol.com] MM: help me cope by hearing more Patty :-) [Stephen Golato Subject: MM: Re: patty on Carnival of voices > Are you sure about Midnight Strikes too soon? I was doing research for the > discography page on pattygriffin.net and found that Patty sang on both > "Paris in a Day" and "Deliver Me". And that she does some "pumpkin mice > speech" - (is that from Midnight... ?) > > - jen YUP! :) thats from Midnight. "Deliver Me" was probably the other one i couldn't think about. they don't specify in the CD, you just REALLY hear her on the songs. :) ~tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:40:50 -0500 From: "Thomas H. Kercheval" Subject: MM: First Thoughts on Silver Bell I tired posting this before, but it doesn't seem to have gone through. Apologies if it's a repost. I've finally heard all the Silver Bell tracks. Wow, what an eclectic album! After hearing it, it's no wonder to me that the record company didn't know what to do with it. Musically, it's all over the map. Personally, I think that's GREAT, but it must've been a marketing nightmare for a major label trying to figure out where to "put" Patty. There are hard-edged songs like "Silver Bell," there's flat-out country like "Truth," there's psychedelic stuff, Indian-influenced stuff ("Little God")....it's a LOT to take in. I need a few more listens before I can really develop a clear opinion on the record as a whole, but there are some undeniable classics on here. My one disappointment was the treatment given to "Perfect White Girls." I think on this album Patty often tried to get a bit too "artsy" with some of the songs, whereas the original sparse arrangements were so much more powerful. "Top of the World" is a good example, but especially "Perfect White Girls." It's slowed down, Patty's vocals are very soft throughout, and there's a lot of, to my mind, annoying background keyboard diddling that detracts. This has been one of my favorite Patty songs for a long time. In fact, it's the first song I ever heard her play, so I was hoping for a real kick-arse version here. But wow, what a daring album to make for her. I can't wait to give it more listens. The versions of "Truth" and "One More Girl" are worth the price of admission alone. So glad we FINALLY can hear these fantastic songs..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:01:42 -0800 (PST) From: fotographix Subject: MM: silver bell shn? please? ok, i know somebody out there managed to get the .shn or the original disc (or full copy) for silver bell... are you willing to share? pretty please? wait.. maybe nobody has it. i mean it probably only made it to CDR, and only a chosen few got it.. maybe not even patty? my God, can you imagine? foto Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:16:53 -0500 From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: MM: silver bell shn? please? At 07:01 AM 3/13/2002 -0800, fotographix wrote: >ok, i know somebody out there managed to get the .shn >or the original disc (or full copy) for silver bell... > are you willing to share? pretty please? wait.. >maybe nobody has it. i mean it probably only made it >to CDR, and only a chosen few got it.. maybe not even >patty? my God, can you imagine? I am supposed to receive a copy, but haven't yet. The second I do, I will share, promise! <> Apparently Thomas has heard them all! How? Are they all the studio versions? Do you have the MP3s? Please let me know! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:25:24 -0500 From: "Connell, Michael P" Subject: MM: RE: silver bell shn? please? >ok, i know somebody out there managed to get the .shn >or the original disc (or full copy) for silver bell... >are you willing to share? pretty please? wait.. >maybe nobody has it. i mean it probably only made it >to CDR, and only a chosen few got it.. maybe not even >patty? my God, can you imagine? I'll hopefully post more on this matter later from home, as I am at work and must be brief at this time. Sharing either the full blown advance CD of Silver Bell or the Promo that many members here received from Patty's management is quite likely illegal pirating and cannot be allowed onlist. It's one thing to share audience recorded tapes and similar stuff, but to make copies of material provided by her then record company would be blatantly illegal and a good way to tick off her management and present record company (something we do not want to do). Mike - list owner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:14:13 EST From: FoxDugal@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: silver bell shn? please? Bah. Hodge podge. Other lists do it all the time with out of print stuff, and, well, Silver Bell was never in print. Look at John Mayer's Inside Wants Out, Tori Amos' Y Kant Tori Read, Splashdown's Blueshift, etc. As far as I'm concerned, this is the same as distributing LFML so extensively. Besides, isn't Patty against taping? I've definitely seen at least one tree on this list before. This is no more illegal. If you don't want it on this list, that's all well and good - someone send me a copy, and I'll host a tree on some other list. Russ "Unauthorized duplication, while sometimes necessary, is never as good as the real thing." -ani difranco > I'll hopefully post more on this matter later from home, as I am at work and > must be brief at this time. Sharing either the full blown advance CD of > Silver Bell or the Promo that many members here received from Patty's > management is quite likely illegal pirating and cannot be allowed onlist. > > It's one thing to share audience recorded tapes and similar stuff, but to > make copies of material provided by her then record company would be > blatantly illegal and a good way to tick off her management and present > record company (something we do not want to do). > > Mike - list owner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:26:49 EST From: Danalee7@aol.com Subject: MM: Austin show live today KGSR 3:15 For you Patty fans out there, her performance at the SXSW conference in Austin is scheduled to be carried live on the KGSR Web site today at 3:15 CT. To tune in: 1. Go to www.kgsr.com 2. Go to "Click here for the Yahoo broadcast" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:51:38 -0500 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: More tour info MMers , Tix for Patty's show at the Odean in Cleveland , April 21 ,are now on sale thru TM. G/A , $20.50- 23.00. New date added at the State theater , Portland , Maine , April 24.Not on sale yet. Don ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:57:22 -0500 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Correction Cleveland date is April 20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:31:08 -0500 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: Re: Top of the World & Truth I'm confused. Are there different versions of LFML? Top of the World isn't on the version I have. I first heard her perform it on ACL. I love that version. But I haven't heard many performances of it to compare. I love this song so much. I'm also confused about the versions of the song Truth or Truth Part 2. I really like the song Truth that is on LFML. Which version is that one? Is it Truth or Truth Part 2?It's between Made of Clay and Unneccessary. I like this one over another one that I thought was called the same thing from some show she did. But maybe the other one is Truth part 2. I like the one that is "it don't feel like the truth when were together". I don't think I can ever listen to that song without singing along with her at the top of my lines. :-) Can someone enlighten me? Thanks. Riff "Don't just exist. Live." - -----Original Message----- From: Sean and Rebecca Courtney [mailto:beccasean@peoplepc.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:04 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: Top of the World Top of the World (the version on LFML) is my all-time fave Patty tune. My wife and I have added it to our "Get drunk on Friday nights and play guitars" repertoire. Sean *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:10:55 -0400 From: David Lewis Subject: MM: Silver Bell thoughts Ok... I'm probably going to make myself the most hated person on the list for saying this... but I downloaded the Silver Bell MP3 files available from audiogalaxy (plus I have two from the promo CD)... and I have to say, I'm not terribly impressed. I love Patty, I've been a fan since '96, I've logged hundreds of miles going to see her play, and I think it's horrible what happened to her at Interscope... although I would say it turned out for the best now that she's found a better home... but I honestly think her old label had a point. Some of the tracks are good... one or two are just ok... but most are just... I don't know... blah!... and I would hazard to say (taking my life in my own hands here :) that a couple are just flat out stinkers! And that drummer is just bad. Sorry Mad Mission :( Sorry Patty :( Anyway, I'm anxiously awaiting 1000 Kisses! From what I've heard of that CD... it's going to be a real gem. I can't wait. So what do you all think of the Silver Bell tracks? Does anyone share my view or am I about to get flame broiled!!! :) LOL. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:14:08 -0800 (PST) From: ronni heggen Subject: MM: NPC: Rosie Thomas Hey all--I just got a Cd by Rosie Thomas called When We Were Small. I really like it so far, especially the first 3 songs. So I guess I'm recommending it and wondering if anyone else has her music. Ronni Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:23:57 -0800 From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell thoughts I admire your honesty. I don't think there is anything wrong with being critical of someone you particularly enjoy. Hell, Living with Ghosts is one of my favorite albums of all time, and I almost never listen to Flaming Red, I just don't dig it all that much. Neil Young is my absolute favorite artist of all time, and he has written/recorded so much shit that he could have his own "Shitty Neil Young Songs" Box Set - I should know, I own, in some form or another, almost every note he has ever recorded or played--almost. That being said, the only band never to have a crappy song is Uncle Tupelo. Even some of the stuff from Wilco's yet-to-be officially released new one has some questionable material. (the line regarding band aids not believing in touchdowns puzzles me) Flame on, but remeber, honesty is the best policy, Sean On Wed, 13 March 2002, David Lewis wrote: > Ok... I'm probably going to make myself the most hated person on the list > for saying this and I have to say, I'm > not terribly impressed. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:32:47 -0800 From: beccasean@peoplepc.com Subject: MM: Re: Top of the World & Truth I don't know. The LFML that I have is a two disc compilation and containd the fore-mentioned Patty classic. It is live, and may be the same one you are referring to, I do not know because I don't think I have the reference disc you have (I'll have to check later) Sean On Wed, 13 March 2002, Stephen Golato wrote: > I'm confused. Are there different versions of LFML? ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:29:11 -0800 From: "Melissa Fisk" Subject: MM: Starr Hill cd weed Hi all, Thanks to the wonderful generousity of our friend Dana in Berkeley, I now have a copy of Patty's Starr Hill concert on 7/28/01. It is a great show. I will gladly make a copy for the first 5 people who email me back . I am hoping at least two of these people will have cd burners so they can in turn make copies and offer them to more people on the list. We want to keep the weed going. In return for the cd, I am asking for either a trade of another venue or compilation, or a blank cd and postage. I will not accept money. I will email the specifics later. Melissa - ---------------------------------------- "love I get so lost, sometimes days pass and this emptiness fills my heart when I want to run away I drive off in my car but whichever way I go I come back to the place you are..." Peter Gabriel...In Your Eyes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:34:47 EST From: MactheMutt@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell thoughts In a message dated 3/13/02 4:11:36 PM Central Standard Time, davelewis@hfx.eastlink.ca writes: > but I downloaded the Silver Bell MP3 files available from > audiogalaxy (plus I have two from the promo CD)... and I have to say, I'm > not terribly impressed. BLASPHEMER!!!! heh, I think maybe it's one of those sleepers, like it's gonna take a couple times before it gets good. (You're right about the drummer though) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:43:50 -0500 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: help me cope by hearing more Patty :-) fellow MM'ers, I need to get a new computer. My computer is so outdated that I can't even use the CD burner I bought. I can't download any Patty tunes off of the net. It's killing me reading about all the tracks some of you are able to listen to and have on CD. No, I'm not petitioning you for money. Can some of you help me out with doing a B&P for Patty shows, Silver Bell and whatever you have?. Once I'm able to get the money together for a new pc and hook up a burner I will return the favor with any shows I have. I can't seem to get enough of her. Thanks. Riff "Don't just exist. Live." *************************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:10:17 -0500 From: "Thomas H. Kercheval" Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell thoughts Overall, I think Silver Bell is fantastic. In fact, I think it's her best work. LWG has her best performances on it, but there are some songs on it that I often skip. FR also has a few I usually jump around ("Christina," for instance). I think every song on Silver Bell is really strong. I think the problem the record company probably had, as I mentioned earlier, is how to MARKET this thing? Like I said, musically, it's EVERYWHERE. There's just no way to pigeonhole the kind of music she's making here. I for one enjoy the eclectic nature of it, but I understand how the suits were confused. Silver Bell is really dark, sometimes a bit oppressively dark at times - if anything, I think the album could've used a few more light colors thrown in. But I really think if you give it more listens, especially with headphones, it'll start to convert you. Either way, it's always cool to have other opinions voiced. :-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell thoughts > In a message dated 3/13/02 4:11:36 PM Central Standard Time, > davelewis@hfx.eastlink.ca writes: > > > > but I downloaded the Silver Bell MP3 files available from > > audiogalaxy (plus I have two from the promo CD)... and I have to say, I'm > > not terribly impressed. > > BLASPHEMER!!!! > > heh, > I think maybe it's one of those sleepers, like it's gonna take a couple times > before it gets good. > (You're right about the drummer though) ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #82 ********************************