From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V6 #34 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, February 4 2002 Volume 06 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Waiting for Superman [adamk@zoom.co.uk] MM: 1000 Kisses - first impression ["Scheiner, Andy" ] Re: MM: 1000 Kisses - first impression ["Sarah Stanley" Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses - first impression Hi All, I was lucky enough to find an advance copy of 1000 Kisses at a record store in NYC over the weekend, and, after listening to it about 3 or 4 times, I thought I post a mini-review: In short, it's absolutely beautiful. It's mostly an acoustic album, but I don't think it is any more like Living With Ghosts that it is like Flaming Red - it's yet a 3rd dimension explored by Patty (and Doug). Patty's vocal work shines throughout - in terms of the presentation of her voice, I think it's, by far, the finest of her 3 recordings. The arrangements are very "Americana rock/folk" with a lot of "Roger McGuinn"-like ringing guitar, and a sprinkling of "Danny Federici"-like accordion work. It has a very spacious, 3-dimensional feel to the music. The two exceptions to the overall "Americana rock/folk" approach are Tomorrow Night (a more jazzy/bluesy feel) and Mil Besos (with a Mexican/Tejano flavor). I love the whole thing (no filler material or weak tracks), but if forced to pick a favorite track, I'd have to go with Be Careful - just stunning vocally, musically, & lyrically. - Andy in Charlottesville ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:44:47 -0500 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: Re: MM: 1000 Kisses - first impression :D :D :D :D i'm so excited!!! and jealous of you that you found that advanced copy, andy! yay! :) sarah >From: "Scheiner, Andy" >To: "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" >Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses - first impression >Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:00:33 -0500 > >Hi All, > >I was lucky enough to find an advance copy of 1000 Kisses at a record store >in NYC over the weekend, and, after listening to it about 3 or 4 times, I >thought I post a mini-review: > >In short, it's absolutely beautiful. It's mostly an acoustic album, but I >don't think it is any more like Living With Ghosts that it is like Flaming >Red - it's yet a 3rd dimension explored by Patty (and Doug). Patty's vocal >work shines throughout - in terms of the presentation of her voice, I think >it's, by far, the finest of her 3 recordings. The arrangements are very >"Americana rock/folk" with a lot of "Roger McGuinn"-like ringing guitar, >and >a sprinkling of "Danny Federici"-like accordion work. It has a very >spacious, 3-dimensional feel to the music. The two exceptions to the >overall >"Americana rock/folk" approach are Tomorrow Night (a more jazzy/bluesy >feel) >and Mil Besos (with a Mexican/Tejano flavor). I love the whole thing (no >filler material or weak tracks), but if forced to pick a favorite track, >I'd >have to go with Be Careful - just stunning vocally, musically, & lyrically. > > - Andy in Charlottesville _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:09:07 -0800 From: "Israelson Family" Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses - Advance Copy I've been meaning to post on this subject since 1/26, when the Ryan Adams thread produced an endorsement for Mark Erelli... First off, let me warn you that a lot of you may find this really annoying, somebody wringing their hands and fretting over something he's been doing for years and has no intention of discontinuing. You see, I own a Mark Erelli CD and yes, he is quite reminiscent of Ellis Paul, of whom I possess two CDs. There are numerous artists whose work I added to my collection solely because they were mentioned on this list. Just off the top of my head, there's Eliza Carthy, Merrie Amsterburg, Emm Gryner, the Nields, Nil Lara, Melissa Ferrick and many, many more. The common thread is that I acquired all of this music for between $1-3 apiece by scouring the bargain bins at places that traffic in "used" CDs. Erelli's debut, for instance, set me back all of one buck, and I know in my heart that I would never have paid even close to full price for a "new" copy, assuming I could even find one. (One of the very few CDs I have EVER paid full price for without an advance listen was "Flaming Red." I bought "Living With Ghosts" new as well, but I had already heard "Every Little Bit.") This all leads to the $64,000 question: is this wrong? Or, is it similar to the time-honored industry practice of "loss leaders," where some music is practically given away in hopes of garnering radio airplay and/or "buzz"? By being a "superior shopper," I have built a collection far beyond my means, and it is one of the great joys of my life. I sometimes wonder, however, if my methods are ultimately counter-productive, at least when dealing with relatively unknown, struggling artists. By contenting myself with used CDs (a lot of which have NEVER been sold even once--this town is glutted with "not for resale" promos), am I unwittingly contributing to "business" decisions such as Patty Griffin getting dumped by her previous label? Or, even worse, do my methods cause some of the Mark Erellis of the world to give up on making music at all? Larry I in LA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scheiner, Andy" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:00 AM > I was lucky enough to find an advance copy of 1000 Kisses at a record store... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:36:43 -0500 From: "Scheiner, Andy" Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions Just gave it another listen on my PC at work (don't worry, I was wearing headphones so as not to disturb my colleagues) - Can I pick two favorite tracks now?? I like "Be Careful" -AND- "Makin Pies". "Long Road" is very Emmylou-ish - sounds like it could have come off of Red Dirt Girl. One question on a "missing" track. Am I mistaken or was "Florida" supposed to be on 1000 Kisses? My recollection is that she introduced it as a song she was recording for her new CD when I saw her this past summer. - Andy - -----Original Message----- From: Scheiner, Andy [mailto:ascheiner@ea.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:01 AM To: 'mad-mission@smoe.org' Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses - first impression Hi All, I was lucky enough to find an advance copy of 1000 Kisses at a record store in NYC over the weekend, and, after listening to it about 3 or 4 times, I thought I post a mini-review: In short, it's absolutely beautiful. It's mostly an acoustic album, but I don't think it is any more like Living With Ghosts that it is like Flaming Red - it's yet a 3rd dimension explored by Patty (and Doug). Patty's vocal work shines throughout - in terms of the presentation of her voice, I think it's, by far, the finest of her 3 recordings. The arrangements are very "Americana rock/folk" with a lot of "Roger McGuinn"-like ringing guitar, and a sprinkling of "Danny Federici"-like accordion work. It has a very spacious, 3-dimensional feel to the music. The two exceptions to the overall "Americana rock/folk" approach are Tomorrow Night (a more jazzy/bluesy feel) and Mil Besos (with a Mexican/Tejano flavor). I love the whole thing (no filler material or weak tracks), but if forced to pick a favorite track, I'd have to go with Be Careful - just stunning vocally, musically, & lyrically. - Andy in Charlottesville ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:02:19 -0800 From: "Israelson Family" Subject: MM: Re: 1000 Kisses - Advance Copy Here is an excerpt of a reply I received off-list: > I bet this is a can of worms you have opened anyway, where are these $1-3 shops? At this point, I must demur, although this decision is not set in stone. Because of the amazing grapevine that is the Internet, I fear that providing further details might ultimately cause either or both of the following: 1) Law enforcement agents will descend upon my favorite haunts (some of which provide their proprietors' sole source of income), see those "not for resale" promos and padlock the doors. (Remember what the big record companies did to Napster--which, for whatever it's worth, I rarely used, but at one point my kids filled up 3 gigabytes of hard disk space with MP3s.) 2) Those same favorite haunts will examine their used merchandise more carefully before pricing them, and thus dry up my source of bargain music. Anybody know where I can acquire a flame-retardant stunt suit (preferably used)? Larry I in LA ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:13:53 -0500 From: Stephen Golato Subject: MM: RE: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions I thought it was going to be on there until I saw the track listing. I was disappointed to see it wasn't listed. And oh how I wish (somehow) Top of the World was on it. But I'm really grateful that she is having a record out this year. Riff "Don' t just exist. Live." Subject: Re: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions >From: "Scheiner, Andy" >To: "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" >Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions >Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:36:43 -0500 > >Just gave it another listen on my PC at work Anyone else feel like this is cruel and unusual punishment? :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:38:11 -0800 From: aadler@juno.com Subject: Re: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions My thoughts exactly. Don't rub our collective noses in the fact that you're able to listen to something that we still have to wait two months for. When we've ALL had the opportunity to listen to the songs and only then is it appropriate to begin discussing them. Or am I wrong? Do some of you want to hear every possibly second-hand detail you can just because it's better than nothing? On the subject of buying cheap used-cds - A) if you have to ask where to find them, then you either don't live in a major metropolitan area or you're stupid B) if you weren't going to pay $18 at a major record store anyway and you find a copy for $3 that somebody else didn't want anyway, there's no harm and C) if you REALLY like an artist and want to encourage them to keep recording after buying a cheap used copy, buy a new copy directly from their website if possible (they'll get more of the money) and give your used copy to someone else, thereby spreading word. Artists/record companies do not make much money off of CDs unless they're selling millions of copies. They make the majority of their money from touring extensively, so you can support them by going to live shows as much as possible. I think we're going to see more and more people releasing their music independently, as Jonatha Brooke is doing, as the labels continue with their outdates business practices which cater to the mindless masses. Oh, and if you haven't already heard of her, Kris Delmhorst is an amazing young singer/songwriter out of Boston that you should check out (www.krisdelmhorst.com). Sorry to have gone on so long, hope I didn't bore you guys, Aaron On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:17:57 -0800 "Marc Hertz" writes: > >From: "Scheiner, Andy" > >To: "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" > >Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions > >Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:36:43 -0500 > > > >Just gave it another listen on my PC at work > > Anyone else feel like this is cruel and unusual punishment? > > :) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:33:34 -0500 From: "Scheiner, Andy" Subject: RE: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions Yea I know, I'm sorry. I was certainly ambivalent about posting my mini-review for that very reason. I didn't want to get all of us MM'ers - me excluded ;-) - all excited with still 2+ months before the official release. In fact, I presented Jen with this very dilemma this morning before posting the review. She advised me to go ahead with it, so you can all blame her!!! (kidding, of course, Jen). Umm, well, you can all come over to my house this weekend for a listen - does Table Talk pies deliver? - Andy - -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hertz [mailto:marc_hertz@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:18 PM To: ascheiner@ea.com; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions >From: "Scheiner, Andy" >To: "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" >Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions >Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:36:43 -0500 > >Just gave it another listen on my PC at work Anyone else feel like this is cruel and unusual punishment? :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:03:55 -0500 From: "Steve Capes" Subject: Re: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions Well I know I am a bad boy because I would like MP3's of these somehow now. I don't want to wait and it will not stop me from buying the five copies I would buy anyway. "Chief" and "Be Careful" are the ones I am dying for... but alas.. I know artists don't make alot from CD's but which site should I buy these from. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scheiner, Andy" To: "'Marc Hertz'" ; "Scheiner, Andy" ; Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: RE: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions > Yea I know, I'm sorry. I was certainly ambivalent about posting my > mini-review for that very reason. I didn't want to get all of us MM'ers - > me excluded ;-) - all excited with still 2+ months before the official > release. In fact, I presented Jen with this very dilemma this morning before > posting the review. She advised me to go ahead with it, so you can all blame > her!!! (kidding, of course, Jen). Umm, well, you can all come over to my > house this weekend for a listen - does Table Talk pies deliver? > > - Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Hertz [mailto:marc_hertz@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:18 PM > To: ascheiner@ea.com; mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: Re: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions > > > > > > >From: "Scheiner, Andy" > >To: "'mad-mission@smoe.org'" > >Subject: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions > >Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:36:43 -0500 > > > >Just gave it another listen on my PC at work > > Anyone else feel like this is cruel and unusual punishment? > > :) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:08:47 EST From: OneMoreGirl24@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: 1000 Kisses - MORE first impressions I am not sure about "Florida", but I have to say that I was very disappointed to find out that "One More Girl" was not included in the track listing for "1,000 Kisses"!! (see my e-mail address) :( Oh well...I am SOOOOOO thrilled about the upcoming release!! ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V6 #34 ********************************