From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #206 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, August 17 2001 Volume 05 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V5 #205 [PsychaGoat@aol.com] Re: MM: RE: Re: reply from patty's label [Zoeyism@aol.com] [none] [david tumbarello ] Re: MM: RE: Re: reply from patty's label [timothy johnstone Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:24:38 EDT > From: FoxDugal@aol.com > Subject: MM: Re: Silver Bell > > What I don't understand is since the freaking record company > already > paid to make the album, wouldn't it make far more sense to just distribute > it > and make whatever money they can? From what I can tell, CD's that are > lightly distributed are sent one or two at a time, and if they sell, well, > they send more. For example (although this may not be a very good > example), > I work in the Wal-Mart electronics department, and was shocked to discover > that we actually carry Ani's Revelling/Reckoning, and even more shocked to > discover that we carry Jonatha Brooke's Steady Pull. When one sells (given > that it is Wal-Mart, therefore that doesn't happen too often) we get > another > to replace it. So, unless no one bought even the original shipment, what > have they got to lose? Someone fill me in... - ----- Ellen Shapiro President, Founder, Act Psychadelic Goat Records Now Based Entirely In Evanston, IL http://www.ellenshapiro.com <--about http://www.mp3.com/EllenShapiro <--listen http://www.cdbaby.com/ellens <--buy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:57:43 EDT From: Zoeyism@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: Re: reply from patty's label First of all, I think we, as Patty's fans, should be supportive and willing to speak out. The letter I wrote to the label, was written out of sheer frustration. The assumption that I was uninformed was completely off base. I am a touring musician who has been dealing with the antics of giant labels for the last five years. If one little letter can express an ioda of what a lot of people feel about what's happening to some musicians, then I'll write it. I did a hell of a lot more that some people who would rather criticize others for speaking up, than do something themselves. The only reason I even e-mailed the list the letter, was so that people could see that the label had taken the time to write that sort of a response. Excuuuuussseee me for not having perfect grammar or spelling, pick pick pick, do you have nothing better to do with your time than gripe about that?? Get a life. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: david tumbarello Subject: [none] Hello all, I also have an extra ticket to tomorrow's performance at the Arc. If anyone still needs one, let me know. Thanks, David Tumbarello Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:03:58 -0600 From: timothy johnstone Subject: Re: MM: RE: Re: reply from patty's label Well let's just say that we all agree that what happened with Patty is unfortunate. It is something that has happened more often than not with increasing regularity over the past ten years, as these companies become more and more beholden to stock holders and parent companies (the recent article about Wilco in the Chicago paper is just the latest example). Clearly the labels have different philosophies these days. It is all part of the globalization and consolidation that has been snowballin gover the past twenty years. I apologise for those parts of my post that offended those on the list. I guess my general points were lost on most. I am not arguing that there shouldn't be any communication between consumers and labels. I think that certain approaches work better than others. Furthermore, I believe that our support of artists who have broken free from the big 5 and who are making it at an indie label like The Cowboy Junkies or Grant Lee Phillips or John Hiatt , should be supported as much as possible. The success of these artists (Jonatha is such a perfect example) will say as much as any letter written to a company that honestly (oops - there's THAT word) doesn't have the slightest idea what hard-core music fans like the folks on this list think. It's so foreign to them. I didn't mean to talk down to anyone. Sorry. I didn't, however, ask anyone to get a life. I think that I would have rephrased much of what I said had I thought it out more. So with that I say so long. Have a great time at upcoming Patty shows. I'm off to listen to the seven tracks of Silver Bell I was able to grab before Patty chose to leave Interscope. tim in boise Zoeyism@aol.com wrote: > First of all, I think we, as Patty's fans, should be supportive and > willing to speak out. The letter I wrote to the label, was written out of > sheer frustration. The assumption that I was uninformed was completely off > base. I am a touring musician who has been dealing with the antics of giant > labels for the last five years. If one little letter can express an ioda of > what a lot of people feel about what's happening to some musicians, then I'll > write it. I did a hell of a lot more that some people who would rather > criticize others for speaking up, than do something themselves. The only > reason I even e-mailed the list the letter, was so that people could see that > the label had taken the time to write that sort of a response. > Excuuuuussseee me for not having perfect grammar or spelling, pick pick pick, > do you have nothing better to do with your time than gripe about that?? Get > a life. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:13:09 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: RE: Re: reply from patty's label The interesting thing about artists of this calibur who break free of the major labels is that because they have been established through a major label relationship, they can very easily win major distribution, thus making their CDs as widely available in retail stores as a regular major label release. Artists who have never been established with a major label have a MUCH tougher time getting distribution. Ani is the only case I can think of where an indie label established by an artist exclusively for self-promotion of their own music---and has never been associated with a major--- that has risen to the level of influence and financial liquidity of a major. It's fantastic that Wilco's former label is willing to let them buy out the record and release it on their own!! Especially with that statement from Norm Winer at WXRT (the committment of his opinion alone is enough to guarantee at least moderate A3 radio success as they are the largest market and perhaps the most influential station in the format). I wonder if Patty was interested in buying back or has attempted to buy back "Silver Bell." Does anyone know? > Furthermore, I believe that our support of artists who have > broken free from the big 5 and who are making it at an indie label like The > Cowboy Junkies or Grant Lee Phillips or John Hiatt , should be supported as > much > as possible. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #206 *********************************