From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #147 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, June 18 2001 Volume 05 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: Off Topic - Maria McKee [lwtaylor@ziggycom.net] MM: Re: Off Topic-Maria McKee [Pamela Pollock ] MM: why I hate the Music Industry re-visted ["Ken Murphy" Subject: MM: Re: Off Topic-Maria McKee >"lt - I love Maria! I would love to see her live solo - but I'm not sure >if she's even doing shows any more....do you have any news? Where did you >find the Ulitmate collection, and does it have anything on it not covered >by the rest of her CDs?" You can get info on Maria at: mariamckee.net (her official Web site). She's finishing up her album, but I don't think she has a record deal yet. Another deserving artist who got screwed by a record label-Geffen, to be exact. Of course, it's the same label who tortured Aimee Mann. Patty's in good company, as you can see. The Ultimate Collection can be found in most record stores, but covers no new ground. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:17:11 -0700 From: "Ken Murphy" Subject: MM: why I hate the Music Industry re-visted This is just my opinion based on the statement given by Aimee, so here I go. I bought both of these "Ulitmate collections" Aimee's & Maria's from this record label. But as soon as I read Aimee's statement I returned hers, and based on the way these clowns treated Aimee I also returned Maria's as well. I already own all of the CD's put out both of these artist, but the allure of having the best on one CD, plus a few unreleased gems, was tempting. It's bad enough that Aimee (and maybe Maria) would not see any money from this CD, but not having a say in the product with her name on it was just to much! Ken Murphy "lt - I love Maria! I would love to see her live solo - but I'm not sure if she's even doing shows any more....do you have any news? Where did you find the Ulitmate collection, and does it have anything on it not covered by the rest of her CDs?" You can get info on Maria at: mariamckee.net (her official Web site). She's finishing up her album, but I don't think she has a record deal yet. Another deserving artist who got screwed by a record label-Geffen, to be exact. Of course, it's the same label who tortured Aimee Mann. Patty's in good company, as you can see. The Ultimate Collection can be found in most record stores, but covers no new ground. First I know this is a Patty information/opinion e-mail set up, but I felt that some of you MMer's might also like Aimee as I do. Second this is another reason why I hate the Music Industry (but love music)! Ken Murphy (From Aimee's web site) A Word About The So-Called "Ultimate Collection" by Aimee Mann There is a CD that was released recently titled "Aimee Mann--the Ultimate Collection". I want to give everyone a heads-up about this CD, because it was not only something that I had nothing to do with, it's a product I consider to be seriously substandard and misleading. My manager Michael Hausman and I heard that this project was in the works several months ago. In our opinion the label putting out the record, Hip-O Records, had no right to use the material they were intending to use in the first place. But I didn't want to be the bad guy and shut the project down entirely, so I asked Michael to get in touch with whoever was heading the project and offer our services, so that the record could be one I was proud of, even if it wasn't something I wanted out in the first place. I offered to do the artwork, as I had done for every record I've ever made except the first Til Tuesday record, and be involved in song selection. This offer was flatly refused--we were basically barred from being involved in any way on a project that had my NAME on it. As typical as this is in the music business, it still never ceases to amaze me. The most unbelievable thing they did was to take quotes from old interviews and weave them into liner notes for the package so that it would APPEAR that I had been involved--basically using my own reputation for integrity in my music to sell their own lame product. And the very title--"The Ultimate Collection"--implies at the very least a comprehensive collection, when it doesn't contain anything from Bachelor No. 2 and only one song from Magnolia (and not the Oscar-nominated song), and yet it DOES contain several things I personally consider to be absolute crap, including a rough mix of one song from just one of two reels of tracks, a song recorded live off the radio 10 years ago and never authorized by me to be recorded at all, much less released, a song I recorded for a movie as a favor to a producer friend that I didn't even write, etc. None of the great little B-sides or demos that I was actually proud of and thought would be perfect for this kind of collection. So I would ask everyone to please give this one a miss-- I hate to see fans being subjected to this kind of music industry bait-and-switch. Michael Hausman and I have been planning to put out our own collection that I promise will be a lot more "ultimate" than this wretched fraud. Needless to say, there's also a lawsuit in the works. To put out a record that deliberately gives the impression that it's been authorized by me is really the last straw. Link to this satement from Aimee's site: http://aimeemann.com/news/letter1.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:12:06 -0700 From: "Ken Murphy" Subject: MM: why I hate the Music Industry re-visted II (second try, I sent this out with me opinions Italicized, but I guess e-mail just doesn't like that so I have separated my quotes KM) This is just my opinion based on the statement given by Aimee, so here I go. I bought both of these "Ulitmate collections" Aimee's & Maria's from this record label. But as soon as I read Aimee's statement I returned hers, and based on the way these clowns treated Aimee I also returned Maria's as well. I already own all of the CD's put out both of these artist, but the allure of having the best on one CD, plus a few unreleased gems, was tempting. It's bad enough that Aimee (and maybe Maria) would not see any money from this CD, but not having a say in the product with her name on it was just to much! Ken Murphy __________________________________________ "lt - I love Maria! I would love to see her live solo - but I'm not sure if she's even doing shows any more....do you have any news? Where did you find the Ulitmate collection, and does it have anything on it not covered by the rest of her CDs?" You can get info on Maria at: mariamckee.net (her official Web site). She's finishing up her album, but I don't think she has a record deal yet. Another deserving artist who got screwed by a record label-Geffen, to be exact. Of course, it's the same label who tortured Aimee Mann. Patty's in good company, as you can see. The Ultimate Collection can be found in most record stores, but covers no new ground. ____________________________________________ First I know this is a Patty information/opinion e-mail set up, but I felt that some of you MMer's might also like Aimee as I do. Second this is another reason why I hate the Music Industry (but love music)! Ken Murphy ___________________________________________ (From Aimee's web site) A Word About The So-Called "Ultimate Collection" by Aimee Mann There is a CD that was released recently titled "Aimee Mann--the Ultimate Collection". I want to give everyone a heads-up about this CD, because it was not only something that I had nothing to do with, it's a product I consider to be seriously substandard and misleading. My manager Michael Hausman and I heard that this project was in the works several months ago. In our opinion the label putting out the record, Hip-O Records, had no right to use the material they were intending to use in the first place. But I didn't want to be the bad guy and shut the project down entirely, so I asked Michael to get in touch with whoever was heading the project and offer our services, so that the record could be one I was proud of, even if it wasn't something I wanted out in the first place. I offered to do the artwork, as I had done for every record I've ever made except the first Til Tuesday record, and be involved in song selection. This offer was flatly refused--we were basically barred from being involved in any way on a project that had my NAME on it. As typical as this is in the music business, it still never ceases to amaze me. The most unbelievable thing they did was to take quotes from old interviews and weave them into liner notes for the package so that it would APPEAR that I had been involved--basically using my own reputation for integrity in my music to sell their own lame product. And the very title--"The Ultimate Collection"--implies at the very least a comprehensive collection, when it doesn't contain anything from Bachelor No. 2 and only one song from Magnolia (and not the Oscar-nominated song), and yet it DOES contain several things I personally consider to be absolute crap, including a rough mix of one song from just one of two reels of tracks, a song recorded live off the radio 10 years ago and never authorized by me to be recorded at all, much less released, a song I recorded for a movie as a favor to a producer friend that I didn't even write, etc. None of the great little B-sides or demos that I was actually proud of and thought would be perfect for this kind of collection. So I would ask everyone to please give this one a miss-- I hate to see fans being subjected to this kind of music industry bait-and-switch. Michael Hausman and I have been planning to put out our own collection that I promise will be a lot more "ultimate" than this wretched fraud. Needless to say, there's also a lawsuit in the works. To put out a record that deliberately gives the impression that it's been authorized by me is really the last straw. __________________________________________ Link to this statement from Aimee's site: http://aimeemann.com/news/letter1.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:24:58 -0600 From: timothy johnstone Subject: Re: MM: Re: Off Topic - Maria McKee I would have to say that Maria's "last album" was a brave and amazing and completely overwhelming. Let's talk about the spirit of punk. There you have it. Sad to hear that she's calling it a day, for now. lwtaylor@ziggycom.net wrote: > Mark, > > I'd love to see maria live, too but I think that's not gonna happen anytime > soon. Last I heard, maria said, and I quote, "I heard a lot of people didn9t > like my last CD.. And that's too bad, because that's exactly what it is." > > My mom is actually the crazy maria fan, so I get my info from her. It could > be outdated, but a quick search for a fanclub or something would get you > more updated info. > > About the ultimate collection. I found it in a search on amazon.com, and I'm > sure there's nothing new on there. Kind of a dull collection, with few > songs from Sin to Get Saved. > > -lt ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #147 *********************************