From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #143 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Thursday, June 14 2001 Volume 05 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: LFML ["Donald Henn" ] MM: I'm wit ya! [DM13DM@aol.com] Re: MM: patty not really dropped? [=?iso-8859-1?q?Matthew=20Smith?= ] Re: MM: patty not really dropped? [David Lewis ] Re: Fw: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? [Songbird22@aol.com] Re: Fw: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? [Matt Fotter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:25:11 -0400 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: LFML MMers , Anyone who requested LFML before June 10 , & hasn't heard from their branch yet , let me know. Don donhenn@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:12:14 EDT From: DM13DM@aol.com Subject: MM: I'm wit ya! In a message dated 6/13/01 1:39:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Smaragaid@aol.com writes: << diddo....come to Phila!!! >> Yeah! Dido...come to Phila!!! Thank You! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:36:32 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Matthew=20Smith?= Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? I agree about recording the old songs. Most of us across the pond will never get to hear them otherwise. Here here mimi! Ma'eee - --- Mooodeee@aol.com wrote: > A label "drops" an artist when they decide to stop > paying capital or > promotional expenses on a record, and then decide > that the record will likely > be difficult to promote or sell, or that it will be > simply uneconomical. > Sometimes they do it because of disagreements about > artistic direction, but > mostly those disagreements are due to a label's fear > over lack of > marketability. Majors fork out more for radio and > retail than indies do, so > majors are a little more demanding about the music > fitting a certain > marketable genre. > > When an artist asks to be let out of the contract, > it means there were > additional records that needed to be fulfilled by > the artist per the original > contract. Labels usually agree to let them out if > they feel the artist will > be uncooperative with their input and direction, and > feel that any further > recording expenses may be lost on creating records > they feel they can't > promote economically. If they didn't let her out of > the contract, I'm sure > her next record would have been a tuba and armpit > fart special with tuva > throat singing and lots of cussing. > > I'm an outsider here, but I would speculate this was > over artistic struggles > with patty not wanting to listen to their input. I > heard they also told her > to ditch the band and the CD and start all over from > scratch because "they > didn't hear a single." I also have known for years > that her label(s)? have > been asking her to record some of her older songs, > and that she is very much > against it that idea, and she wants to keep moving > forward by writing and > recording new songs, forsaking the old. What does > all this mean? Heck if I > know. I guess Patty wants what she wants. Maybe > she can find a label that > shares her same creative vision, willing to fulfill > the financial side of > things. If she doesn't, maybe that should tell her > something too. Perhaps > her artistic integrity would be best preserved by an > indie, but expect a > frighteningly smaller budget. > > Personally, on a side note, I think she's crazy for > not wanting to record > some of her old songs. Some of them are beautiful > gems that to me exemplify > some of her best writing. For her to never give > those songs a moment in the > sun brings a tear to my eye. But that's a > different story. > > Mimi in Austin > (thank god for LMFL and the Rarities!) Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:43:54 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Matthew=20Smith?= Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? Ditto. She has much more talent than any punk band ever will. The point about punk is that you marry huge amounts of attitude with little or no musical talent/variation/originality. (no offence). She has much more power with just an acoustic guitar than she does with big production and a fancy band Ma'eee - --- BenALongYear@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/12/01 7:56:53 PM Central > Daylight Time, > iceburrrg@hotmail.com writes: > > > > um, cheese. I'm getting hungry. Ich habe honer. > Cheeeeeeeeeeese. > > > > Well, at least I played the "One Big Love" intro > on my crappy TV show. > > Probably the only reason I feel bad that I quit is > that I don't get to hear > > it on TV anymore. I agree. concur. A total hit. > Yes, a definite hit. A > > smash, if you will. A bludgeon, obliteration, a > smack, a pound, a crack. > > Well, maybe not a crack; that sounds a bit > "cheeky." > > > > Patty Griffin needs to go more punk. More "flaming > red", even more Johnny > > Cash influence too. I wonder how many Asian Grrrl > Riot bands she's listened > > > > Why don't I understand this? > I mean it's entertaining as all heck fire....but....HUH?????????? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:43:57 -0700 From: matt@fotter.com Subject: Fw: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? >-- Original Message -- >From: Matthew Smith >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >The point about punk is that you marry >huge amounts of attitude with little or no musical >talent/variation/originality. PMFJI, but HELLO! That's a mighty broad brush you're painting with. Pop "London Calling" on the old wheels of steel sometime. Ironically enough PG seems to ahve a pretty punk 'tude with Interscope: Interscope: "We want you to recycle the same stuff you've done in the past. If it's not acoustic and doesn't sound like LWG, we're not interested." PG: "Hey, I'm an artist, I'm digging crunchy guitar and I want to to something different, so ah, get bent" Regards, m- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:49:10 -0000 From: "Stephen VanKerckhove" Subject: MM: npc: a website on women guitarist A few days back someone mentioned a website that featured women guitarist, patty amongst them. I wanted to check the site but deleted the message accidently. Who ever sent that out could you post it again. Thanks a ton, Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:01:03 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Matthew=20Smith?= Subject: MM: Re: mm post I saw Shawn Colvin and Mary Chapin Carpenter live at the Hammersmith Apollo last saturday. Shawn spent the first hour just with one guitar and her voice, retuning it for just about every song. She made you forget that all the complex production and other instruments on the album were absent; all your hear is the song. Ma'eee - --- "Lewis, David" wrote: > I couldn't agree more. I would like to see her do > stuff with a band... just > not her current band. I look at records by people > like Shawn Colvin, Natalie > Merchant and Edie Carey as amazing examples of what > a "folk" singer can do > with a good band. For some reason though, Patty > seems to want to be a rocker > chic :)Daveon 6/13/01 2:43 PM, Matthew Smith at > mantabirostrisuk@yahoo.co.uk wrote:> Ditto. She has > much more talent than any punk band> ever will. The > point about punk is that you marry> huge amounts of > attitude with little or no musical> > talent/variation/originality. (no offence). She > has> much more power with just an acoustic guitar > than she> does with big production and a fancy band> > Ma'eee> --- BenALongYear@aol.com wrote: > In a > message dated> 6/12/01 7:56:53 PM Central>> Daylight > Time, >> iceburrrg@hotmail.com writes:>> >> >>> um, > cheese. I'm getting hungry. Ich habe honer.>> > Cheeeeeeeeeeese.>>> >>> Well, at least I played the > "One Big Love" intro>> on my crappy TV show. >>> > Probably the only reason I feel bad that I quit is>> > that I don't get to hear >>> it on TV anymore. I > agree. concur. A total hit.>> Yes, a definite hit. A > >>> smash, if you will. A bludgeon, obliteration, > a>> smack, a pound, a crack. >>> Well, maybe not a > crack; that sounds a bit>> "cheeky.">>> >>> Patty > Griffin needs to go more punk. More "flaming>> red", > even more Johnny >>> Cash influence too. I wonder > how many Asian Grrrl>> Riot bands she's listened >>> > >> >> Why don't I understand this?>> I mean it's > entertaining as all heck> > fire....but....HUH??????????> Get your free > @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk> or > your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie> Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:07:12 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Matthew=20Smith?= Subject: Re: Fw: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? Thanks for providing me with an example that proves the very point i was trying to make. None of the clash were brilliant guitarists/drummers/vocalists, but, none the less they successfully got their message/attitude across onto the black plastic pretty well. Just don't confuse them with musicians. Ma'ee PS Life would be so boring if everybody agreed on everything, wouldn't it - --- matt@fotter.com wrote: > >-- Original Message -- > >From: Matthew Smith > >To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > >The point about punk is that you marry > >huge amounts of attitude with little or no musical > >talent/variation/originality. > > PMFJI, but HELLO! That's a mighty broad brush > you're painting with. Pop "London Calling" on the > old wheels of steel sometime. > > Ironically enough PG seems to ahve a pretty punk > 'tude with Interscope: > > Interscope: "We want you to recycle the same stuff > you've done in the past. If it's not acoustic and > doesn't sound like LWG, we're not interested." > PG: "Hey, I'm an artist, I'm digging crunchy guitar > and I want to to something different, so ah, get > bent" > > Regards, > > m- Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:53:44 -0700 From: MH Subject: Re: Fw: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? here, here Matthew! Thanks for the calm voice of reason: guitars do not musicians make, nor does the title of musician make one an artist.......sometimes it happens that guitar/musician/artist are one in the same, rarely, but there is one I can think of: Patty something.......I hear they actually play her stuff on radios occasionally, I wouldn't really know, there is no music on radio here in LA. Laters- MH in LA Matthew Smith wrote: > Thanks for providing me with an example that proves > the very point i was trying to make. None of the > clash were brilliant guitarists/drummers/vocalists, > but, none the less they successfully got their > message/attitude across onto the black plastic pretty > well. > Just don't confuse them with musicians. > > Ma'ee > > PS Life would be so boring if everybody agreed on > everything, wouldn't it > --- matt@fotter.com wrote: > >-- Original Message -- > > >From: Matthew Smith > > >To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > > > >The point about punk is that you marry > > >huge amounts of attitude with little or no musical > > >talent/variation/originality. > > > > PMFJI, but HELLO! That's a mighty broad brush > > you're painting with. Pop "London Calling" on the > > old wheels of steel sometime. > > > > Ironically enough PG seems to ahve a pretty punk > > 'tude with Interscope: > > > > Interscope: "We want you to recycle the same stuff > > you've done in the past. If it's not acoustic and > > doesn't sound like LWG, we're not interested." > > PG: "Hey, I'm an artist, I'm digging crunchy guitar > > and I want to to something different, so ah, get > > bent" > > > > Regards, > > > > m- > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:10:13 -0300 From: David Lewis Subject: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? on 6/13/01 7:53 PM, MH at jimilives@mindspring.com wrote: > sometimes it happens that guitar/musician/artist are one in > the same, rarely, but there is one I can think of: Patty > something. That would be Patty Griffin I think ;) She definitely fits the bill. By the way, I have probably mentioned it before, but while we are all waiting for Silver Bell, or perhaps some new project from Patty, you should all check out Edie Carey. She fits the guitar/musician/artist bill too! :) Your mileage may vary of course, but I think she's just amazing. And like a lot of other great guitar/musician/artists, she's independent by choice. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 2001 19:20:06 -0400 From: Matt Fotter Subject: Re: Fw: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? On 13 Jun 2001 23:07:12 +0100, Matthew Smith wrote: > Thanks for providing me with an example that proves > the very point i was trying to make. None of the > clash were brilliant guitarists/drummers/vocalists, Just curious - ever listen to London Calling? I picked it b/c it wasn't stereotypical punk. I'll spot you the Joe Strummer was a little less than brilliant, but Mick Jones is a genius. I would have suggest Bob Mould if I wanted a someone who wasn't a brilliant guitaris/vocalist ;) m- - -- matthew s. fotter matt@fotter.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:24:20 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? matt@fotter.com writes: > Just curious - ever listen to London Calling? I picked it b/c it wasn't > stereotypical punk. I'll spot you the Joe Strummer was a little less Ahh! London Calling is one AMAZING album! :) I love the Clash :) (thanks to my husband, who has reintroduced me to some amazing bands/artists--Zappa, Pink Floyd, The Clash, The Kinks) :0 jess new album BECOMING available now! www.jessicaweiser.com | www.mp3.com/jessweiser www.aftersilence.net ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 2001 20:55:35 -0400 From: Matt Fotter Subject: Re: Fw: Re: MM: patty not really dropped? On 13 Jun 2001 20:24:20 -0400, Songbird22@aol.com wrote: > Ahh! London Calling is one AMAZING album! :) I love the Clash :) (thanks to > my husband, who has reintroduced me to some amazing bands/artists--Zappa, > Pink Floyd, The Clash, The Kinks) I'll have to have a beer with your husband sometime - drop in Hendrix for the Floyd and you've got 4 of my all time top ten. Seriously tho - the Kinks prior to 1975 are one of the most under-rated bands in history imho. Ray's a genius. Something Else, Village Green, Arthur and Lola vs has to be one of the better runs of amazing records. If you haven't heard them already worth a listen - you'll hear a lotta Clash in there. m- - -- matthew s. fotter matt@fotter.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #143 *********************************