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A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Monday, June 11 2001 Volume 05 : Number 140 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Nashville review ["Donald Henn" ] MM: RE: Nashville review [Gary Jacques ] Re: MM: Nashville review ["Paul Russell" ] MM: Artwork for CD's [BenALongYear@aol.com] MM: Patty in Portland, OR???? ["Caroline Klumpar" ] Re: MM: Patty in Portland, OR???? [bob ] Re: MM: Artwork for CD's [Dulcie ] MM: Re: Portland & the LAME PattyGriffin.com [FlamingRed74@cs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:55:17 -0400 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: MM: Nashville review (Note: Don't start reading if you don't have 15-20 minutes to kill) MMers , Took me a while to back to business.When I saw over 100 E's waiting , I had to wait another day before I tackled them. I was joined for dinner & the performance by Misty & Julie , two of Patty's lovely Nashville fans , & also met a number of other fans during the evening. Paul would have been proud of me. I was three sheets to the wind by the time the performance started , & didn't slow down 'til I was hugging the porcelain back at my hotel. (All apologies to Misty & Julie for not being the cool , attentive host that I had hoped to be). My main memories are that Patty's performance was great , & I had a great time. I'm glad that Misty posted a review , b/c I have only a few specific flashes of lucid memory , a sign of a great performance , as well as being a sign that I overindulged. I recall seeing a Traffic/Joe Cocker concert many years ago , not under the influence. Traffic sucked , & I remembered many details of their performance. The only thing I remembered about Joe Cocker was how great he , & his gospel-sounding back-up was. Set list : We Are Water You Never Get What You Want Tony Mad Mission Rain w/Doug Chief Flaming Red Be Careful w/Kami Lyle Sweet Lorraine Let him Fly Tomorrow Night Mary w/Emmylou Encore Stolen Car Top of the World Poor Man's House I do recall the first few lines of "We Are Water" as seeming tentative , but it didn't take long for the confidence to blossom , & Patty transported me for the rest of the performance. I agreed with Misty that the audience wouldn't be that great , thinking that they were the "In" crowd , doing the "In" thing. I couldn't have been more wrong. I scanned the crowd a few times , & found that I was the only one not paying attention when I did. Definitely the best audience for Patty that I've been a part of to date. I'm glad that Misty also said that "Rain" was a great song. I have a vague impression of that being the case. I have absolutely no memory of Patty saying "I'm too old to be this nervous" , or any of her between-song banter , other than her introductions of Doug , Emmylou , & Kami. Emmylou got a rousing reception. I do recall Patty saying that if Marilyn Monroe were reincarnated , or had a daughter , that Kami would be it. I'm not sure if that was at 6 Degrees or "Dancin' " , or both. I didn't catch that the song was written about a dream she had about Marilyn being reincarnated as a trumpet player. Of course , one thing I can't forget is that I got a quick handshake from Patty as she was returning for the encore. Then , I was delighted that she went into "Stolen Car" for the first song. I consider that to be one of Patty's "signature" songs , (As a performer rather than a songwriter) in spite of the fact that she didn't write it. (Bruce Springsteen) I feel the same way about "Wayfaring Stranger". I'm going to have to exercise my normal level of self-restraint in the future , so that I can recall the performances better , for myself , & for those Patty fans that aren't fortunate enough to be there. On to "Dancin' in the District". A truly sobering experience.I was feeling pretty washed-out after sleeping all day , & I had to negotiate the Nashville rush hour to pick up my car ( Aware enough to leave it at 6 Degrees & take a cab back the night before) , & get back to Riverfront Park. Don't know how much the next-day blues might have influenced me , but the opening acts didn't seem nearly as good as the last time I saw Patty in Nashville.(Uptown Mix) Atticus Fault seemed to the best among them , & the most popular. There was a general move toward the stage when they started. Thanks to LT ( THE LT !(Lawrence Taylor) , all-time great linebacker for the New York Giants ?) for the set list ,but I'll add it for convenience. Clap Hands Flaming Red Tony Poor Man's House Be Careful Sweet Lorraine Chief Top of the World Mary Encore Blue Sky Tomorrow Night Hopefully , Patty's getting a little more "attitude" after the Silver Bell fiasco. The line "Sons of Bitches" was in "Clap Hands" , a bluesy , swaying sort of number. Then when she was talking about the concert almost being cancelled due to very threatening weather , she said "fuck it" , then put her hand over her mouth in mock , grinning , admonishment. Maybe the "kiss their asses" line from "Perfect White Girls" won't be relegated to the dust bin of history. I think that line is the heart of the song. I agree with LT that the concert wasn't the band's finest hour. "Flaming Red" & "Blue Sky" seemed slightly out of sync to me. "Sweet Lorraine" had too much accordion for my taste. I agree that it's probably due to not playing with Patty for a long time. The same thing was evident in Winnipeg , the first opener for the Dixie Chicks. By the time they had gotten to Slim's in SF , & the Chix opener in Buffalo ,everything was fine. They were excellent on "Mary" , with Patty's voice & the band's subdued playing reaching that ethereal sound that makes the song hypnotic. Onto one of my pet peeves. Doug had a great solo turn on "Top of the World". Unfortunately , I don't think it belonged in that song. I think that too , is one of Patty's "signature" songs that suffers when the music is too "busy". I think it calls for subdued , supportive music , with Patty's voice carrying it. The less music there is , the more depth her voice seems to have. I'm sure that there are hundreds , if not thousands of great guitar players , but there is only one Patty Griffin , & only one "Top of the World" Maybe we can bring back one of Billie Holiday's classic "signature" songs , "Solitude". Punch in a few scorchin' guitar riffs & a jazzy beat , & maybe we can get some "top 40" radio play. To my mind , Billie's legacy is not the jazzy , upbeat songs , like "Them There Eyes" or "What a Little Moonlight Can Do". It's "Solitude" , "God Bless the Child" , "Good Morning Heartache" ,& "Gloomy Sunday".She does a slightly upbeat version of "My Man" that I find wanting. I think Barbra Streisand's version is vastly superior. All artists have to balance their vision of a legacy against contemporary recognition. A lot of people don't realize that Billie was also an accomplished songwriter. If any performer ever ran deeper than Patty , it was Billie Holiday. There's a song that's about 40 years old , that's delivered in an almost monotone voice , & has the same melody & beat all the way through. Descriptively , it sounds terrible. The name of it is "I Walk the Line" by Johnny Cash , & I still haven't tired of hearing it. I'm certainly not against creativity & experimentation. At the Uptown Mix concert , they did a bluesy , jazzy version of "Go Now" , that I thought was great. Better than the standard version , & I'm hoping to hear it again sometime. I paid close attention to the music on Flaming Red , on my way back. On balance , I don't think it detracted from any songs , & definitely lifted "Peter Pan" to a higher level. One of my favorite F/SS albums , that actually competes with Patty's , is Joni Mitchell's "Miles of Isles". The band's name , LA Express , has always stuck in my mind b/c they were so excellent w/o being intrusive. The bluesy opening to "Flaming Red" got a big response. I guess a lot of Patty's fans never heard it before. Patty said that "Be Careful" & "Chief" , was on the new album. I must have missed it , but LT says that "Clap Hands" is also on it. While it's hard to judge some songs in one listen (I hardly remembered "Night" the first time she did it , but now think that it's another "signature" song) , I'll be disappointed if those three make it to the exclusion of "Nobody's Crying" , "Under These Clouds" , "Long Ride Home" , "You Don't Have Me" , & a number of others. I think that she has at least 10 unreleased songs that are as strong as what's on her two albums. While Kami was excellent on the trumpet , I really don't think it fit with "Tomorrow Night". I was hoping that she was going to provide the kind of muted accompaniment that worked so well in Billie's "Solitude" , coming in with short , soulful notes , during or after each line. That , & the barely discernible piano helped take the song to my definition of "classic". I doubt if Patty will ever exceed the performance of "Tomorrow Night" that she rendered on the Sandy Beaches cruise. It's sensuality brought only one other song to mind , "I Loves You Porgy" , by Nina Simone. I was about 14 or 15 when that was released , & was amazed at the way it completely captured me. One of the fans on the cruise was so taken by "Tomorrow Night" , that he jumped up , applauding & shouting loud enough that you couldn't hear anyone else. Well , enough out of me. I hope that all who couldn't see Patty live , enjoyed the various reviews. Mama may have Papa may have But God bless the child Who's got his own Billie Holiday/Arthur Herzog "God Bless the Child" I keep a close watch on this heart of mine I keep my eyes wide open all the time I keep the ends out for the tie that binds Because you're mine I walk the line Johnny Cash "I Walk the Line" Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:00:35 -0400 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: RE: Nashville review "Stolen Car" I think I saw Patty's first shot at this song when I saw her in Collingswood NJ a couple of years ago. She said she was a huge Bruce fan and that since this was her first time playing in NJ, she had to do some Boss. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:47:00 -0500 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: Re: MM: Nashville review :O Wait a minute... Don, you mean to tell me you are in possession of a hand that not only drank lots of alcohol (with the possibility of actual spillage onto the skin), but that also shook the hand of Patty Griffin as well? You rule! I love your hand. I worship your hand. Can I, uh...well...um...lick it? :) ...TIMMAY! Hey, when is the Atlanta show again? July 25? Evil Gary! What was the site you posted with the dates? I lost that email. I've been busier than a three-dollar whore lately (there's a surprise) and have let that email get deleted. Rock on, righteous Patty Griffin! Paul ****************************************** * Because everybody knows, that ravers * * luuuuv ecstasy. And everybody knows, * * that Jesus Christ luuuuvs ravers. * * * * --"Bad Acid Jesus" * * by Adam Starr * ****************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:03:53 EDT From: BenALongYear@aol.com Subject: MM: Artwork for CD's Hello I just got my two LFML CD's and I hate to say it but I let the e-mail with the site to get the Artwork from expire. Can someone please send me the site where I can get the Artwork. I did save one from ducksoup..."more tips for a good printout" , but unfortunately it doesn't have the site with the Artwork. Thanks in advance Randy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:30:39 -0700 From: "Caroline Klumpar" Subject: MM: Patty in Portland, OR???? Can this possibly be true? The "Tour" link at pattygriffin.com says she's playing 7/14/01 in Portland, Oregon. There's a note that says KUFO Radio Show. KUFO's site doesn't include Patty in the lineup for their RockFest on this day, and I haven't heard of any of the bands that are listed (and my quick first impression is that they don't seem very Patty-esque). (I'm in Seattle, not Portland, and I don't actually know anything about this KUFO.) I'm skeptical because I haven't seen any other mention of this anywhere else (not on this list or on the Let Her Fly site, for instance)--and because pattygriffin.com doesn't list any of the real performances that you all are actually going to in Nashville, etc. (So jealous!) Anyone have any clue about this? It'd be so fabulous if she'd really come to the Pacific NW. I heard, after the fact (alas), that she was in the area with the Dixie Chicks a while back, but as far as I know, otherwise she hasn't been here. Thanks for any info,Caroline P.S. What's the deal with the pattygriffin.com site anyway? Who owns it? Is this some lame A&M thing? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:14:11 -0700 From: bob Subject: Re: MM: Patty in Portland, OR???? I live in Portland and am looking at the flyer for Rockfest. The headliners are Godsmack and Deftones as well as 4 other like acts but no mention of Patty. As a matter of fact, with this audience, she would probably be booed off stage. BTW I tolerated the Dixie Chicks last year just to catch Patty, she was well received and to my surprise the DC's were not all that bad. Bob Caroline Klumpar wrote: > Can this possibly be true? The "Tour" link at pattygriffin.com says she's > playing 7/14/01 in Portland, Oregon. There's a note that says KUFO Radio > Show. KUFO's site doesn't include Patty in the lineup for their RockFest > on this day, and I haven't heard of any of the bands that are listed (and > my quick first impression is that they don't seem very Patty-esque). (I'm > in Seattle, not Portland, and I don't actually know anything about this > KUFO.) I'm skeptical because I haven't seen any other mention of this > anywhere else (not on this list or on the Let Her Fly site, for > instance)--and because pattygriffin.com doesn't list any of the real > performances that you all are actually going to in Nashville, etc. (So > jealous!) Anyone have any clue about this? It'd be so fabulous if she'd > really come to the Pacific NW. I heard, after the fact (alas), that she > was in the area with the Dixie Chicks a while back, but as far as I know, > otherwise she hasn't been here. Thanks for any info,Caroline P.S. What's > the deal with the pattygriffin.com site anyway? Who owns it? Is this some > lame A&M thing? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:35:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Dulcie Subject: Re: MM: Artwork for CD's On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 BenALongYear@aol.com wrote: - ->Hello - ->I just got my two LFML CD's and I hate to say it but I let the e-mail with - ->the site to get the Artwork from expire. - ->Can someone please send me the site where I can get the Artwork. - ->I did save one from ducksoup..."more tips for a good printout" , but - ->unfortunately it doesn't have the site with the Artwork. - ->Thanks in advance - ->Randy Hi Randy, I lost the email, too, but found a link to the site from another Patty Griffin fan site. Here you go: http://www.johnfhiggins.com/Patty%20Griffin%20page.htm Dulcie. - -- dulcie@ecn.ab.ca icq:9288803 http://www.meatheringham.com/dulcie/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:54:47 EDT From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Subject: MM: Re: Portland & the LAME PattyGriffin.com Hello, According to pollstar.com (the best tour website) Patty's only 2 scheduled dates are in Atlanta & Interlochen, Michigan. This site is pretty accurate, and as far as I know if an artist has ANY dates on there (most of them do), they are ALL on there. As far as the lame-A$$ pattygriffin.com From what I understand some loser bought the rights to the name a few years ago. It's very cheap to do this.. and people do it with the hopes that the artist/celebrity will eventually pay big bucks to buy the rights to the name. For a long time it just said "coming soon" (or something to that effect) when you would go there.. now at least there is SOMETHING.. I don't know who is running it, if A&M bought the rights to the name or what? I would seriously doubt Patty bought the rights from the guy. With that being said, I wouldn't believe anything that's posted there. It appears to be someone who is certainly not in direct contact with Patty or her management, or just doesn't care anymore b/c the site is never updated. My suggestion would be to call that radio station and see if they know anything. Good Luck! - -- Dave (Loving & MISSING Patty Griffin more and more as the days go by) ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #140 *********************************