From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V5 #136 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Saturday, June 9 2001 Volume 05 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Patty show 6/7/01:NASHVILLE [RocketsTail@aol.com] MM: mm-npc-lucinda [ronni heggen ] MM: Patty show 6/7/01:NASHVILLE [chasem1@squared.com] Re: MM: Re: "Silver Bell" article ["Paul Russell" ] MM: LFML artwork - more tips for a good printout [Mike Connell ] MM: Paul's Rant [MH ] MM: Lucinda Williams show ["Gary Jacques" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 01:57:56 EDT From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: MM: Patty show 6/7/01:NASHVILLE So I saw Patty for the first time tonight at DANCING IN THE DISTRICT, a free concert in Nashville and all I can say is...she blew me away but her set was way too short, I wanted it to just keep going. The crowd was huge and they were really receptive to her! She talked about her new album coming out soon called "A Thousand Kisses" (I think) and did one or two songs from it, a few songs from "Silver Bell"...one called "Top of the World" that was SOOOO Beautiful!!!! She did "Sweet Lorraine" (w/ the band was great!), "Tomorrow Night", some Bob Dylan cover, "Poor Man's House", "Blue Skies", "Flaming Red", "Tony", "Mary" (amazing)...etc. Of course not in that order. Great set, great show! Kathleen Lague opened for her and she should be so famous right now :-) I'm blown away everytime I see her play! Okay I'm done babbling. ~eric "This sense of humour of mine It isn't funny at all Oh but we sit up all night Talking about it" ~kate bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 07:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: ronni heggen Subject: MM: mm-npc-lucinda just wondering if anyone else has the new lucinda cd, essence?? it's fabulous! makes me cry! Ronni Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:17:24 -0400 From: chasem1@squared.com Subject: MM: Patty show 6/7/01:NASHVILLE I have to agree that Patty was WONDERFUL last night at DID. She put on a great show!!! - ---------------------- Forwarded by Monica Chase/US/Schneider on 06/08/2001 10:16 AM --------------------------- RocketsTail@aol.com@smoe.org on 06/08/2001 12:57:56 AM Sent by: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org To: mad-mission@smoe.org cc: Subject: MM: Patty show 6/7/01:NASHVILLE So I saw Patty for the first time tonight at DANCING IN THE DISTRICT, a free concert in Nashville and all I can say is...she blew me away but her set was way too short, I wanted it to just keep going. The crowd was huge and they were really receptive to her! She talked about her new album coming out soon called "A Thousand Kisses" (I think) and did one or two songs from it, a few songs from "Silver Bell"...one called "Top of the World" that was SOOOO Beautiful!!!! She did "Sweet Lorraine" (w/ the band was great!), "Tomorrow Night", some Bob Dylan cover, "Poor Man's House", "Blue Skies", "Flaming Red", "Tony", "Mary" (amazing)...etc. Of course not in that order. Great set, great show! Kathleen Lague opened for her and she should be so famous right now :-) I'm blown away everytime I see her play! Okay I'm done babbling. ~eric "This sense of humour of mine It isn't funny at all Oh but we sit up all night Talking about it" ~kate bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 09:40:21 -0500 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: Re: MM: Re: "Silver Bell" article And now, representing the shit head side of the coin, drunken Paul... (the crowd goes wild)(well, not that wild, I'm feeling old and not in much a humorous mood) My birthday wasn't half as bad as I thought it would be. I had to review a restaurant for a class, and after that I was walking out past the bar when two lovely young ladies decided to buy me drinks at the bar to help me celebrate my birthday. It brings tears to my eyes meeting others that drink so well. Anyway. maybe I'm just drunk, or I'm so laid back from living at the beach or something. I dig Patty Griffin and I'm sad that Interscope sucks so much ass, but why do I keep getting these "fire and brimstone" emails? From some of the reactions I've seen of Interscope, you would think that some corrupt cops sodomized an immigrant in the police bathroom with a plunger or something It's a sad day when "acts" like Brittany Spears and all those no-talent pop groups and hoppers can get tons of records released and a treasure like Patty Griffin gets cut. uh, Britney Spears (she doesn't spell her name right, how inane...sorry to others that don't spell their name right either, but I still think it's inane) does have talent. I'm sorry, but anyone who can sing like that, especially at the age of 16 (whatever), has loads of talent. Just because you don't like her, and that would include me for the most part, don't sit around belching how she doesn't have talent. She doesn't write her own stuff, but neither do most opera singers, neither do most symphonic musicians. And to say they don't have talent...is like jealousy or something. A britney Spears example: She was on Saturday Night Live. Her "people" were so caught up in her touring style that they kind of forgot that most of the studio audience of SNL would be older than 16, and not screaming their lungs out. SNL gives two live music performances for the TV audience. Did anybody see this? Did they see the difference between the first and second songs? It was night and day. I think I started to actually respect Britney that much more because of it. The first number had all kinds of dancing, and little stupid "moves" that would get her all kinds of ear-bleed screaming. She didn't get it, of course. Her performance was so outlandish and overdone, you could almost see her scratching her head in bewilderment. "where are all the screaming kids?" She got mild applause. I think she realized the absurdity of what she was doing for an adult crowd, and probably yelled at a lot of people (which you can do when your albums are selling like toilet paper). Her second number was awesome. She sang a slower song (not another hit song of hers), without all the jumping and stupid moves, without all the extra effects. Just emphasizing her incredible voice. She got a lot more positive reaction from the audience. A lot more. That's talent, babyee. All the while A&M keeps recording idiots like Eminem, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie and Dr. Dre. Uh, those guys aren't idiots, either. They are talented artists who really know their craft. Let me put it this way, Marilyn Manson was a computer geek in highschool, changed his image to a freak, and now produces some awesome music and gets tons of money. It's what the disillusioned American youth wanted. Someone to understand them. And he understands that good marketing puts cash in his hand. Is this what you consider bad? That he and other alternative artists are reaching out to a certain percentage of people who buy his albums because they can vent their anger and frustration through songs? ...like Patty Griffin? Rob Zombie, quite the talented man, follows suit. Though I don't know any 411 on him. Just that his songs kick it. You don't know how good I feel after screaming to "More Human than Human" in my car. So much, in fact, that I don't have to take my gun out and shoot idiot drivers. Okay, so I don't own a gun, but you know what I mean. Dr. Dre... Where can I even begin with Dr. Dre? Now, I never grew up in Compton, or visited it for that matter, but the shear fact that he's getting paid on songs exposing the perils of LA's hoods to all us outsiders is amazing and about time. I sit here in my little beach cottage drinking margaritas, how would I ever know what's REALLY going on in (and especially out of) the public schools of LA? Okay, so he disrespects women and is an ass. But he's not an idiot. Eminem disrespects women, homosexuals, and more. He's an ass. But at the same time he's a product of his environment, an environment that obviously needs to be changed. Patty Griffin is another one of those artists. Incredibly talented, gots a message to say, makes the demons leave when she sings, great for toasting beers to and all that. I am totally in love with like almost all her songs I ever heard. But for me to say that everyone will love her music is, at best, a true shot in the dark. Yeah, whoever some listees play Patty Griffin's music to is just floored...most of the time. But after reading musical reviews from the Dixie Chix concerts (many thanks to Don), it's obvious that probably an equal number of people don't like her stuff. The record companies see that. It's their money. They aren't just idiots who don't know what they're talking about. They're idiots, nonetheless; but usually making it big means dealing with their heartless business style (and business is business, just ask Don Corleone). A passage from Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged" states, "Don't envy a worthless heir; it's not your money, and you could do no better with it." They are still making hand over fist money by finding some boy band that has singing talent and just needs songs produced for them. Good for them; it makes the shareholders happy. Why do I buy a zine instead of Rolling Stone? Probably for the same reasons a lot of postees have been saying they hate the big record labels. That still doesn't mean the writers of Rolling Stone don't have talent, and that the publishers are stupid. And they certainly wouldn't hire some of the writers I've read in zines. Hey, I encourage you to write Interscope, call them names, and tell them what a big mistake they made. That's what changes their thick headed minds. At least I hope it does. And I don't mean one person writing 800 letters, because they know that game. You'll be talking to the hand, not the face. You wanna hear a scum-sucking record company story? How about that one I heard about Prince who signed a deal with one that was screwing him over. They had his name and any song he would make as Prince or any variation thereof. He couldn't even change labels. Any song he made would be their property and not his, as any band he formed. The loophole in the contract was that he could change his name and not tell anyone until that contract ran out. Which he did. I guess I just get irked when people lash out at other artists because their favorite artist isn't getting the same attention and treatment. Unrelated but similar, no one I talk to (in general) seems to show the same shocked bewilderment like this list has about other things like film. People will pay $7 to see some crap movie like "Pearl Harbor" but crickets will chirp during a showing of "Walkabout", and dust will form on a video store copy (if there even is one) of "When They Were Kings" or "Nanook of the North" or even "Atomic Cafe." I was dismayed when Ms. Griffin got the shaft from the "scum-suckers" too, but I ain't losin sleep over it. Not when girls are buying me drinks. But for now, let me go back to my blow. This seems pretty incoherent and I'm slackin on da pimpin anyway. devil's advocately yours, PaulE ****************************************** * Because everybody knows, that ravers * * luuuuv ecstasy. And everybody knows, * * that Jesus Christ luuuuvs ravers. * * * * --"Bad Acid Jesus" * * by Adam Starr * ****************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 18:46:40 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: LFML artwork - more tips for a good printout Even though I didn't have the CDs, the other day I went to the web site for the artwork for the LFML CD set to check out the sizing problems people seem to be having. I have access to some of the best color laser & color wax/laser printers on the planet (one costs $175,000) and tried printing them out with various settings....no luck. I too was getting printouts about 5% too small. :-( The scaling WAS set to 100% so I tried it at 105%. No luck....still too small and the EXACT same size as previous attempts at 100%. I tried 110% and had the same results....too small Damn :-( Then I saw the problem! I checked my other printers (I have like a dozen different printers installed on my PC at work via the network) and they ALL had this box checked by default when sending a file to print......."fit to page". I unchecked that box, set it back to 100% and viola! PERFECT sizing. By the way...major kudos to the artwork designer!!! (but where's the lyrics on the artwork?.......just kidding :-) Also, by all means, if you have access to a hot wax color printer like the Tektronix Phaser 850 or 750 etc, get the artwork printed out on one of those. MUCH better than your standard color laser (not that tthe regular color laser printers do a bad job). It's just that these Phaser babies use colored hox wax to print with and the results are quite stunning. You get very high resolution with a shiny/glossy printout. Top notch :-) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:52:15 -0400 From: "Eryn Fleming" Subject: Re: MM: Re: "Silver Bell" article > uh, Britney Spears (she doesn't spell her name right, how inane...sorry to > others that don't spell their name right either, but I still think it's > inane) does have talent. I'm sorry, but anyone who can sing like that, > especially at the age of 16 (whatever), has loads of talent. Just because > you don't like her, and that would include me for the most part, don't sit > around belching how she doesn't have talent. She doesn't write her own > stuff, but neither do most opera singers, neither do most symphonic > musicians. And to say they don't have talent...is like jealousy or > something. Uh, Paul...I really hate to disagree with you because I think you're a really cool guy judging from your posts on this mailing list, but I just can't let you get away with saying that. I agree that Britney Spears is talented, but PLEASE don't say that her talent is her singing voice! I have tons of respect for this girl because 1. she so successful at age 19 (by the way) and, 2. she really knows how to attract a crowd and keep people's attention. Besides all that she is beautifiul! (Usually sporting glamorous outfits and professionally done make-up, mind you...). Regardless though, she has got what it takes. But her singing voice? I've never seen her live, but I've seen her live on television, and her voice sounds nothing like it does on her *studio recorded* CDs. Personally I don't even think she sounds that great on her albums, but that's just me. So, you see...that's not jealousy coming from me. I think she's awesome! But I really don't think she sings as well as you're making it out to be. I know tons of kids (16-19, doesn't matter) who can sing better than she can. I guess they just don't have the style, or the looks that she has. Anyway, I agree with you about the Eminem/Manson/Zombie/Dre thing. Totally. But, I think Patty Griffin "really knows her craft" too, if you know what I'm saying. Well, I guess we're all just going to have to wait for this whole deal with Patty's record company to settle. Man, that sucks... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:56:28 -0700 From: MH Subject: MM: Paul's Rant Wow.............Thank goodness for the First Amendment, eh Paul? Sorry to say that I disagree with virtually everything that you said, that's neither here nor there, my opinion is no more or less important than anyone else's. That being said I gotta make a couple points before my head(at least the few cells that are still functioning) explodes.....the only "craft" that Britany, Dre, Eminem, Zombie, Manson are involved with is that of determining the lowest common denominator, producing records those people will buy and selling it to them like there's no tomorrow. That's the "craft" of business last time I checked, not the craft of a musical artist. As far as "fire and brimstone" goes, there's probably going to be a lot more; Patty's music affects me and others on such a deep and profound level that we cannot help but respond emotionally when we feel that she has been wronged. Sorry Paul, I just couldn't let it go without a response. I must now listen to some SRV to attempt to return myself to normalcy, at least my version of normal. Laters- MH in LA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:14:51 -0400 From: "Gary Jacques" Subject: MM: Lucinda Williams show OK, so the Evil One just returned from the Lucinda Williams show in Redbank. First of all it was a great show. She played and amazing set. Then she comes back for an encore and says, "How about Elvis Costello come up here and do this one with me? I know he knows this one." Elvis Costello walks on stage, straps on a guitar and sings back up on Drunken Angel. Wild!! Great show. Wish you all could have been there. It was a moment. Evil Gary ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V5 #136 *********************************