From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #344 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, December 13 2000 Volume 04 : Number 344 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: One More Empowerment Song [Richard Challen ] Re: MM: please remove [EveryLittleBit@aol.com] MM: Angry/empowerment ["Adam K." ] MM: Re: RE: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) ["Greg Pendlet] MM: Re: Empowerment songs [Songbird22@aol.com] MM: Pissed [Gary Jacques ] MM: RE: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) ["Kunkel, Robert G"] Re: MM: Empowerment Chick Songs ["LouAnn Muhm" ] Re: MM: RE: RE: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) ["Sarah Sta] Re: MM: Empowerment Chick Songs [Amanda4865@aol.com] Re: MM: Pissed [FlamingRed74@cs.com] RE: MM: Pissed [Gary Jacques ] Re: MM: Pissed ["Eryn Fleming" ] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #342 [Mauseee@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:00:08 -0500 From: Richard Challen Subject: MM: One More Empowerment Song hey all, in response to this topic, specifically: > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:49:27 -0500 > From: dissident@mindspring.com > > "Daddy, I'm Fine," from Sinead O'Connor's new album, FAITH AND COURAGE. Call me old school Sinead, but I'm gonna go with "Troy" from "The Lion & The Cobra." AMAZING song. The way she wails. The way the strings build and build and build. "There is no other Troy for you to burn now..." Other suggestions: Tori Amos - Silent All These Years (also Precious Things) Liz Phair - 6'1" (also Fuck & Run, Dance Of The Seven Veils, the whole "Exile In Guyville" album maybe??) Ani DiFranco - I second Untouchable Face, also 32 Flavors and Gravel are pretty nice as well... Patti Smith - Gloria (so punk rock) Pretenders - Brass In Pocket (so 80s punk rock) Me'shell Ndege'ocello - If That's Your Boyfriend (He Wasn't Last Night) (She has better empowering songs but that one's so FUNKY...) And a final suggestion: "You Oughta Know" is a well produced, nicely packaged version of "female rage," but to think that combining the Canadian version of Debbie Gibson with Wilson Phillips' producer produces the defintive "empowerment song" is akin to saying that the Spice Girls are the century's foremost authorities on "girl power." - --(soon to be evil) rICH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:05:02 EST From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: please remove In a message dated 12/12/00 10:03:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlowden@mindspring.com writes: > No offence guys, but what the hell is that? I didn't > ask the question yet they're all sending me the answer. > I get enough mail I don't want, I'll pass on this service. > No offense, buddy, but that's what's called a mailing list. You sign up for it, you get everything everyone else sends to it. Suprise! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive http://www.geocities.com/raitch/patty.html Tubby and Luscious http://www.geocities.com/raitch/tubby/ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:14:27 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: MM: Angry/empowerment Coming into this a bit late, but here are my contributions, while trying to avoid the more ones already mentioned (thanks, Evil Gary for mentioning "Untouchable Face", my fave ani song --- you can't be ALL evil, then!) -- there are a couple of male artists in here, 'cos pissed off music is my thang, although a lot of the artists I wanted to include (Hammill,in particular) put a huge dose of self-anger in their songs, doubt, anxiety, etc. Angry, but not empowering. Okay, here we go: Toni Child's "The Woman's Boat", although "Union" is a far better album, on the whole. Ferron's "Stand Up" -- having the Indigo Girls help out on this track gives it a real edge and energy. Stuff from Gentle Giant (hardly fashionable, but they helped me through my adolescence) -- "Just the Same" "Funny Ways" "I Lost My Head" "For Nobody" Peter Hammill's "The Future Now" (yeah, ditto) Naomi "Sister from your Soul" (the whole album -- "Liquid" -- is a nice, seething, bluesy thing) Dear Janes "Angry" PJ Harvey -- pretty much anything, although 60ft Queenie springs immediately to mind Kristen Hersh -- her first solo album, in particular, and a variety of stuff from Throwing Muses -- "Shimmer" and "Not too Soon" (although the latter was written by Tanya Donnelly) Indigo Girls -- Take your pick -- "Touch Me Fall" "Shed Your Skin" and "Go", for three. Bob Mould -- okay, you want angry? First the Husker Du stuff -- "Standing in the Rain", "Up in the Air"; "Lonely Afternoon" from his first, beautiful solo album, anything from the fierce and painful "Black Sheets of Rain" (title says it all) "Roll Over and Die" from his third solo, "Who Was Around?" and "Along the Way" from his last -- and as for his Sugar material, "Act We Act" "Helpless" and "Explode and Make Up" should set you up, nicely. Veda Hille --- "Precious Heart". Everyone should know this song. It's not angry, but it sure helps. Suddenly Tammy! -- "Funky" Although she's been mentioned before, I'd put in a big vote for Tori Amos' "Little Earthquakes" -- anything off of that. This is one of my desert island discs, but my inerest tailed off sharply after that, and I don't think she's done anything since then that even comes close. And, finally, two overlooked gems of the genre: Bandit Queen's "hormone hotel" cd, with "Give it to the Dog" and "Petals and Razorblades" being my faves, and Die Monster Die's "Withdrawal Method" cd --- any album that was initially called "Vagina Dentata" DEFINITELY deserves a place on this list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:42:31 -0500 From: "Greg Pendleton" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) If you're suggesting The Pretenders, you gotta include "Precious". Greg - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Jacques" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: MM: RE: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) > The Pretenders just jumped into my head when reading this. Middle of the > Road. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scubagrrl@aol.com [mailto:Scubagrrl@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:04 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) > > > Hi list, > > I was hoping to get some suggestions from this wide array of musical > maestros. A while back, the list posted many of their favorite female > musicians and there were some names I never heard of. Since then, I've > checked quite a few out and they are great! > Anyway, I'm looking for songs by female singers (can have a male band, I'm > not discriminating against males) :) but have a feel of empowerment to > them. > Some might call them "Angry chick songs" which calls to mind what a lot of > people said about Alanis' You Oughtta Know. Call it what you like, but > that's what I'm hoping for in the way of suggestions. I'm thinking One More > > Girl by Patty fits the bill nicely. Not for any particular reason other > than > she's prefaced it by saying she got really pissed off and then wrote it. > This is for a mix tape for a friend, by the way. She needs a little Grrl > Power. > Becca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:08:06 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Empowerment songs "don't think of me" -dido "pretty" -tara maclean (unreleased) "poor boy" -tara maclean "untouchable face" -ani d "case of tornados" (currently unreleased) -emm gryner if i wasn't late for work i could think of a lot more... jess www.jessicaweiser.com | mp3.com/jessweiser "i sing sometimes for the war i fight, cause every tool is a weapon if you hold it right" - -ani difranco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:53:09 -0500 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: Pissed I have noticed, that some of you have mentioned pissed woman songs, with what I felt was a bit of a grin on your face. It is a shame that the Evil Ones wife won't let him date because it's obvious that the whole bunch of you need a good man. A great guy like me. A guy that watches football but goes to theater. A guy that has a couple with his friends but reads poetry to his lady. I leave out the women that have been hurt by other women. Although I am French and could possible make you happy as well. Quit being so pissed and start dating better people. Or do you like being pissed? I see that grin on your face. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:30:36 -0500 From: "Kunkel, Robert G" Subject: MM: RE: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) It's not "angry" per se, but I would say it is "chick empowering"......."Little Girl Solidarity Song" by Jenn Wertz (with her band, Lovechild) > -----Original Message----- > From: Scubagrrl@aol.com [SMTP:Scubagrrl@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:04 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) > > Hi list, > > I was hoping to get some suggestions from this wide array of musical > maestros. A while back, the list posted many of their favorite female > musicians and there were some names I never heard of. Since then, I've > checked quite a few out and they are great! > Anyway, I'm looking for songs by female singers (can have a male band, I'm > > not discriminating against males) :) but have a feel of empowerment to > them. > Some might call them "Angry chick songs" which calls to mind what a lot > of > people said about Alanis' You Oughtta Know. Call it what you like, but > that's what I'm hoping for in the way of suggestions. I'm thinking One > More > Girl by Patty fits the bill nicely. Not for any particular reason other > than > she's prefaced it by saying she got really pissed off and then wrote it. > This is for a mix tape for a friend, by the way. She needs a little Grrl > Power. > Becca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:58:59 -0600 From: "LouAnn Muhm" Subject: Re: MM: Empowerment Chick Songs Nobody's mentioned Meredith Brooks' "Bitch." Too uncool, I suppose, but it's a great song. Also a song from Mary Chapin Carpenter's Stones in the Road CD. The chorus is "You can have it" but I don't think that's the title. And I think Alanis has outgrown the Canadian Debbie Gibson thing. Almost every song on Jagged Little Pill is an Angry Empowerment song, and most of the songs on the Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie are Spiritual Empowerment songs. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Flora Borealis Flowers & Light from the Northwoods to You www.floraborealis.com - ---------- >From: dissident@mindspring.com >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: Re: MM: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) >Date: Tue, Dec 12, 2000, 3:49 PM > >"Daddy, I'm Fine," from Sinead O'Connor's new album, FAITH AND COURAGE. > >This is an AMAZING song, and is full of chick power. It's very much got an >"F-you" quality to it that I always find pleasurable. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:42:21 -0500 From: "Sarah Stanley" Subject: Re: MM: RE: RE: Empowerment Chick Songs (little bit of Patty) >Blur? (Luscious Jackson?)- Seether Veruca Salt. :) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:37:39 EST From: Amanda4865@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Empowerment Chick Songs How about "Animal" by Halley DeVestern? The MP3 is out there somewhere. Also, on a less 'angry' note, how about Dar Williams' "You're Aging Well" or "As Cool as I Am"? Cyndi Lauper's "Sisters of Avalon" Oh, and that Mary-Chapin Carpenter song off Stones in the Road is called "The Last Word" :) - -Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:35:30 EST From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Subject: Re: MM: Pissed Hey all, I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with Gary on the "don't be pissed, date better people" comment. I really don't date at all, ..so I have no reason to talk about this, but the reason I don't go out with girls is because they all seem to prefer the guys who do treat them bad. I always think about 2 of my ex-friends who used to treat girls like crap, but always got any girl they wanted.. while I was always being nice to some girl who never returned those actions. Anyway.. it could just be something that I do that turns girls off, I don't know.. but it seems to me that the preference among girls would be to be with the guy that A. they think they can't have (which is just a natural human instinct I think) or B. be with a guy who has tendencies towards being not so nice more than 50% of the time.. LOL Sorry about going off on this. Gary just hit on something that i was thinking about today.. why do all these guys who are A$$holes have dates for Christmas parties etc.. and I don't? Rock out Patty Jean! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:21:09 -0500 From: Gary Jacques Subject: RE: MM: Pissed Ok, Dave needs sex! Right now from what I'm reading. I met Dave and he seemed like a nice guy to me. So here is your chance ladies. I say one or two of ya needs to wrap a bow around your body part of choice and head over to Dave's house for Christmas!! - -----Original Message----- From: FlamingRed74@cs.com [mailto:FlamingRed74@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:36 PM To: jacques@colorite-resins.com Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Pissed Hey all, I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with Gary on the "don't be pissed, date better people" comment. I really don't date at all, ..so I have no reason to talk about this, but the reason I don't go out with girls is because they all seem to prefer the guys who do treat them bad. I always think about 2 of my ex-friends who used to treat girls like crap, but always got any girl they wanted.. while I was always being nice to some girl who never returned those actions. Anyway.. it could just be something that I do that turns girls off, I don't know.. but it seems to me that the preference among girls would be to be with the guy that A. they think they can't have (which is just a natural human instinct I think) or B. be with a guy who has tendencies towards being not so nice more than 50% of the time.. LOL Sorry about going off on this. Gary just hit on something that i was thinking about today.. why do all these guys who are A$$holes have dates for Christmas parties etc.. and I don't? Rock out Patty Jean! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:01:08 -0500 From: "Eryn Fleming" Subject: Re: MM: Pissed I really don't date at all, ..so I have no > reason to talk about this, but the reason I don't go out with girls is > because they all seem to prefer the guys who do treat them bad Around here we call it the "asshole syndrome". It sucks, but I just wanted to let you know that there ARE girls out there who are totally turned off by guys who treat them bad. Don't lose hope. :) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:35 PM Subject: Re: MM: Pissed > Hey all, > > I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with Gary on the "don't be pissed, > date better people" comment. . I really don't date at all, ..so I have no > reason to talk about this, but the reason I don't go out with girls is > because they all seem to prefer the guys who do treat them bad I always > think about 2 of my ex-friends who used to treat girls like crap, but always > got any girl they wanted.. while I was always being nice to some girl who > never returned those actions. > > Anyway.. it could just be something that I do that turns girls off, I don't > know.. but it seems to me that the preference among girls would be to be with > the guy that A. they think they can't have (which is just a natural human > instinct I think) or B. be with a guy who has tendencies towards being not > so nice more than 50% of the time.. LOL > > Sorry about going off on this. Gary just hit on something that i was > thinking about today.. why do all these guys who are A$$holes have dates for > Christmas parties etc.. and I don't? > > Rock out Patty Jean! > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:24:11 EST From: Mauseee@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #342 This is in reply to Becca, who was looking for songs with "Girl Power." There is an Atlanta artist named Michelle Malone (you can pick her cds up in most big chain record stores) who has several songs that would fit this description...but this one song in particular is called "Brand New Dream." It is a GREAT song for someone who needs a little girl power. Some of the lyrics are: I've got a brand new dream and your not in it. I've been fightin' myself for as long as I can stand it. Should I stay or should I go, If I listen then I know. Shadowboxin in my head is bruisin' my ego. Michelle is one of my favorites besides Patty and Sheryl Crow. She is awesome live. If you are ever in Atlanta and she is playing...I would recommend seeing her. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #344 *********************************