From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #338 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Friday, December 8 2000 Volume 04 : Number 338 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Re: serious musicians [EveryLittleBit@aol.com] Re: MM: Re: serious musicians [BLUEHEN@webtv.net] MM: Pardon my ignorance... ["gregg todt" ] Re: MM: Pardon my ignorance... [FlamingRed74@cs.com] Re: MM: Re: serious musicians [Lisa C ] MM: Why I hate the Music Industry ["Ken Murphy" ] MM: Re: mp3's ["Jennifer Lynn Caputo" ] one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians ["amber bass-patterson] Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians [Tricia9999@aol.co] MM: Real music [Tricia9999@aol.com] MM: taping.. [Lisa071573@aol.com] Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians ["Donald Henn" ] MM: Re: mp3's [Lisa071573@aol.com] Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians ["Gary Jacques" I definitely agree that the voice is an instrument, > but I think the distinction being made about Sisquo > versus "serious musicians" was directed at his > attitude toward his own musicianship. > I dunno. Just because someone has a hit with a silly song, it doesn't mean that they're not "tak[ing] themselves seriously as musicians" or "truly serious musicians working hard." Yes, the Thong Song got a lot of widespread play, but Sisqo's music was played quite a bit for a long time before that on R&B and hip hop music stations. And he was in a popular group before he went solo (Jodeci, I think). I always got the impression that he took his music very seriously, and just because most people only know him for one ridiculous song, doesn't mean that his music isn't real. If that analogy were true, I'd sure love to say that Shawn (sp?) Colvin isn't a real musician, but deep down, I know that's not true. And I don't know why we're all having this discussion, but it's interesting to see what people think about it. I mean, how many people just magically have a hit song without trying at all? Just because you managed to become a one hit wonder doesn't mean you're not serious about your music. And look ,it's snowing :( Rachel :D ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive http://www.geocities.com/raitch/patty.html Tubby and Luscious http://www.geocities.com/raitch/tubby/ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:31:22 -0500 (EST) From: BLUEHEN@webtv.net Subject: Re: MM: Re: serious musicians LOVE Shawn Colvin! ~Patty~ http://pattyblee.cjb.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:11:27 -0600 From: "gregg todt" Subject: MM: Pardon my ignorance... ...but I found a copy of Patty singing a version of "Tracks of my Tears" on Napster...who's the guy singing with her? Help! gregg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:22:29 EST From: FlamingRed74@cs.com Subject: Re: MM: Pardon my ignorance... The guy who sings Tracks of my Tears with Patty is Billy Mann. I really don't know anything about him, other than that he and Patty sound pretty great together! :-) Hope this helps Gregg.. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: Lisa C Subject: Re: MM: Re: serious musicians Rachel said: > > I dunno. Just because someone has a hit with a > silly song, it doesn't > mean that they're not "tak[ing] themselves seriously > as musicians" or "truly > serious musicians working hard." Yes, the Thong Song > got a lot of widespread > play, but Sisqo's music was played quite a bit for a > long time before that on > R&B and hip hop music stations. And he was in a > popular group before he went > solo (Jodeci, I think). I always got the impression > that he took his music > very seriously, and just because most people only > know him for one ridiculous > song, doesn't mean that his music isn't real. For the sake of clarification, I was actually referring to something someone (sorry, I forgot who) said they read that Sisquo himself said about "not taking himself that seriously." Perhaps he only said this in reference to the thong song, which would make sense. > > If that analogy were true, I'd sure love to say > that Shawn (sp?) Colvin > isn't a real musician, but deep down, I know that's > not true. And I don't > know why we're all having this discussion, but it's > interesting to see what > people think about it. I mean, how many people just > magically have a hit song > without trying at all? Just because you managed to > become a one hit wonder > doesn't mean you're not serious about your music. This acutally reinforces my point, in a way. I certainly didn't mean to imply that becoming a "one-hit wonder" precludes true musicianship. Far from it. (For the record, I also don't think of Shawn Colvin as a one-hit wonder). Sadly, many very talented artists often only muster one "hit," if any. One could argue that by staying true to their craft and not pandering to commercial audiences, one hit might be the best they could do. Certainly in today's pop music climate, at least. It's just that the pop audience today seems to respond best to what comes easily; Personally, I would rather be challenged, or challenge myself. Which means I seek out artists who are more interesting, and often (by circumstance) outside the "pop/TRL" sphere. i LOVE discussing this stuff. Lisa > > Rachel :D > > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > The Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive > http://www.geocities.com/raitch/patty.html > > Tubby and Luscious > http://www.geocities.com/raitch/tubby/ > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:55:32 -0800 From: "Ken Murphy" Subject: MM: Why I hate the Music Industry First I know this is a Patty information/opinion e-mail set up, but I felt that some of you MMer's might also like Aimee as I do. Second this is another reason why I hate the Music Industry (but love music)! Ken Murphy (From Aimee's web site) A Word About The So-Called "Ultimate Collection" by Aimee Mann There is a CD that was released recently titled "Aimee Mann--the Ultimate Collection". I want to give everyone a heads-up about this CD, because it was not only something that I had nothing to do with, it's a product I consider to be seriously substandard and misleading. My manager Michael Hausman and I heard that this project was in the works several months ago. In our opinion the label putting out the record, Hip-O Records, had no right to use the material they were intending to use in the first place. But I didn't want to be the bad guy and shut the project down entirely, so I asked Michael to get in touch with whoever was heading the project and offer our services, so that the record could be one I was proud of, even if it wasn't something I wanted out in the first place. I offered to do the artwork, as I had done for every record I've ever made except the first Til Tuesday record, and be involved in song selection. This offer was flatly refused--we were basically barred from being involved in any way on a project that had my NAME on it. As typical as this is in the music business, it still never ceases to amaze me. The most unbelievable thing they did was to take quotes from old interviews and weave them into liner notes for the package so that it would APPEAR that I had been involved--basically using my own reputation for integrity in my music to sell their own lame product. And the very title--"The Ultimate Collection"--implies at the very least a comprehensive collection, when it doesn't contain anything from Bachelor No. 2 and only one song from Magnolia (and not the Oscar-nominated song), and yet it DOES contain several things I personally consider to be absolute crap, including a rough mix of one song from just one of two reels of tracks, a song recorded live off the radio 10 years ago and never authorized by me to be recorded at all, much less released, a song I recorded for a movie as a favor to a producer friend that I didn't even write, etc. None of the great little B-sides or demos that I was actually proud of and thought would be perfect for this kind of collection. So I would ask everyone to please give this one a miss-- I hate to see fans being subjected to this kind of music industry bait-and-switch. Michael Hausman and I have been planning to put out our own collection that I promise will be a lot more "ultimate" than this wretched fraud. Needless to say, there's also a lawsuit in the works. To put out a record that deliberately gives the impression that it's been authorized by me is really the last straw. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:46:32 -0500 From: "Jennifer Lynn Caputo" Subject: MM: Re: mp3's What do you guys think I should do about this? Take the Melissa Ferrick mp3 down? I guess that's what i'll do - you guys have 24 hours to download Melissa Ferricks' version of Moses - after that it'll be removed from the website. I'll take it down tomorrow evening. Sorry :-( Jen http://63.65.13.167/pattygriffin/mp3s/pmp3.htm The Patty Griffin mp3 of the week site http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~jcaputo/Patty.html Patty Griffin Concert Photo Archive - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:34 PM Subject: MM: mp3's > Jen - just a note... Melissa Ferrick seems pretty against mp3's... I just happened to check out her new website a few days ago and there's a whole diatribe from her about mp3's... (of course, some kind soul already sent me the mp3 - heehee :) anyway, just a note of caution. I really wish the artists who are anti-mp3 would realize the value in getting their music heard. > > Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:11:58 -0600 From: "amber bass-patterson" Subject: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians Lisa said: >Sadly, many very talented artists often only muster one "hit," if any. this reminds me of something i heard once when we were travelling and listening to a small town radio station. they were having a 'one-hit wonder' weekend. i nearly fell out when they played 'gloria' by van morrison! amber, who could listen to 'astral weeks' every day for the rest of her life! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:34:34 EST From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians In a message dated 12/08/2000 1:22:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, albassp@ev1.net writes: > they were having a 'one-hit > wonder' weekend. i nearly fell out when they played 'gloria' by van > morrison! > Wow, I never would believe this. Ignorance runs in so many circles. Tricia - someone else who would make Astral Weeks a desert island choice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:37:05 EST From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: MM: Real music Relevant to the current discussion is an article in USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/music405.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:21:11 EST From: Lisa071573@aol.com Subject: MM: taping.. well.. I have a cheap analog tape recorder. It's a Sony with a built-in mic. It's absolutely nothing special, but it does pretty good with shows that are LOUD. Like my Patty G. Slim's show came out pretty good and the Melissa F. show I taped sounds ok too. Concerts that I go to that are more acoustic and quieter, or un-amped, come out quiet with tape hiss - the quieter the performance, the hissier the recording. But it's better than nothing - personally I'd rather have a shitty recording than no recording at all... (and if you read Melissa F.'s bit on her website about mp3's and taping, she seems to be ok with "honest tapers." I think she is concerned with people "stealing" mp3's and not buying her cd's.) If you are looking for something better than just a cheap recorder, the general consensus seems to be that minidisc or DAT are the best as long as you have good, external mics. I haven't gone so far as to get either since then there is a problem with transferring the minidisc or DAT to tape or cd and I don't have the capability for that.. plus my tape recorder is cheap enough so that if I get it confiscated it's no big loss. I know there are some people in the Tori Amos community who have $900 taping set-ups. Basically I think it's good to start with a cheap recorder and then if you're real picky about sound (or rich) you can always upgrade. But any recording is better than no recording at all. :P Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:40:04 -0500 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians MMers , Van Morrison a one-hit wonder ? Moondance , Tupelo Honey . Brown-eyed Girl , Domino ,many others ? Tupelo Honey is certainly a "desert island" disc. I believe that "Gloria" was done by "Them" with Van singing lead. I mentioned before that Patty's opener in Oberlin , Bridget Matros , did a great Sade-like , jazz version of "Tupelo Honey". You can't stop us On the road to freedom You can't keep us "cause our eyes can see Men with insight Men in granite Knights in armor Bent on chivalry Van Morrison "Tupelo Honey" Don > In a message dated 12/08/2000 1:22:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, > albassp@ev1.net writes: > > > they were having a 'one-hit > > wonder' weekend. i nearly fell out when they played 'gloria' by van > > morrison! > > > > Wow, I never would believe this. Ignorance runs in so many circles. > > Tricia - someone else who would make Astral Weeks a desert island choice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:23:48 -0600 From: Steve Anderson Subject: MM: Love From My Lips Artwork I need help. I downloaded Adobe so I coudl get the artwork for the Love From My Lips cds. I opened them up and printed them and they came out a little too small. The back jewel case art width wise was a little short not counting the fold on each end. So it was about 1/3" to short and 1/3" to narrow. Any help? Thanks in advance. By the way I'm not really very computer literate as it is. I can do jpgs okay but not these. Thanks Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:11:34 EST From: Lisa071573@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: mp3's sorry guys :( I wonder though if Melissa could really do anything about this? granted, it's her singing, but the copyright is not hers...hmmm Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:00:48 -0500 From: "Gary Jacques" Subject: Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians Don, Van Morrison a one hit wonder? There is not enough room on this page for the LOL's I need to post! Someone please tell me who said this. I need to vent. Evil Gary - ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Henn To: mad-mission Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:40 PM Subject: Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians > MMers , > > Van Morrison a one-hit wonder ? Moondance , Tupelo Honey . > Brown-eyed Girl , Domino ,many others ? Tupelo Honey is > certainly a "desert island" disc. I believe that "Gloria" was done > by "Them" with Van singing lead. I mentioned before that Patty's > opener in Oberlin , Bridget Matros , did a great Sade-like , jazz > version of "Tupelo Honey". > > You can't stop us > On the road to freedom > You can't keep us > "cause our eyes can see > Men with insight > Men in granite > Knights in armor > Bent on chivalry > > Van Morrison > > "Tupelo Honey" > > Don > > > In a message dated 12/08/2000 1:22:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > albassp@ev1.net writes: > > > > > they were having a 'one-hit > > > wonder' weekend. i nearly fell out when they played 'gloria' by van > > > morrison! > > > > > > > Wow, I never would believe this. Ignorance runs in so many circles. > > > > Tricia - someone else who would make Astral Weeks a desert island choice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:25:32 -0500 From: "Donald Henn" Subject: Re: one hit wonders WAS Re: MM: Re: serious musicians I think it was a misunderstanding. Someone heard "Gloria" on a one-hit wonder show , & thought it was a solo Van Morrison , rather than the group "Them" Don > Don, Van Morrison a one hit wonder? There is not enough room on this page > for the LOL's I need to post! > Someone please tell me who said this. I need to vent. > Evil Gary ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V4 #338 *********************************