From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V4 #40 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.quackquack.net/patttyg * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Tuesday, February 8 2000 Volume 04 : Number 040 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Lebanese? ["Leslie Singleton" ] MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #39lesbian music/melissa ethereidge. [LMYER] MM: Patty: A flamer or simply Flaming Red?? [Fab Gal in DC Subject: Re: MM: Lebanese? Well said. I think you've got it :) >From: "Amy Emerman" >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: Lebanese? >Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:48:20 PST >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [205.188.192.178] >Received: from [24.128.1.70] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBA690822003CD820F39B18800146E6610; Mon Feb 07 22:52:20 2000 >Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55])by >chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA23827;Tue, 8 Feb 2000 >01:51:00 -0500 (EST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by smoe.org >(8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id BAA23975;Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:49:50 >-0500 (EST) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:49:49 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id >BAA23959for mad-mission-outgoing; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:48:55 -0500 (EST) >Received: from hotmail.com (f224.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.224])by >smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with SMTP id BAA23955for >; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:48:51 -0500 (EST) >Received: (qmail 47233 invoked by uid 0); 8 Feb 2000 06:48:20 -0000 >Received: from 205.188.192.178 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:48:20 PST >From owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Mon Feb 07 22:53:51 2000 >Message-ID: <20000208064820.47232.qmail@hotmail.com> >Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk > >Lesbian music is great--at least the 1970's stuff I used to listen to--and >there's some great lesbian music out there today, although I don't know if >it should go under the bracket of "lesbian music" when it's so worldly and >appropriate for everyone, like the indigo girls for example, I call that >"human music". > >Patty is straight (not that I'm an expert on sexuality, but she has been >dating a man and was married, and no person can be expected to be a 100% >and >I'm sure a lot of lesbians would be very happy if Patty were gay, but I >don't think she is. She is a passionate and powerful, amazing, sweet and >fiery woman, but like someone said, that doesn't have to make her lesbian. >In fact, it doesn't. So, for Patty's music to be called "LEsbian music" is >a >bit misleading. > >Is Bruce Springsteen's music lesbian music? Not unless you want it to be. >Maybe if two lesbians are making love to it then it is. > >Anyhoo, whatever....... > >I don't think the music itself needs to be gay or straight...maybe Patty's >music is bi...any good music should have both masculine and feminine, ying >and yang elements, right? > >Patty's voice can be a whisper or a scream, a fragile yelp or a powerful >wail, and it sound beautiful no matter what she does. > >Whether her music is Chinese, Lebanese, Lesbian, Black, Mexican, or none or >all of the above--I think it's kinda human. > >A. :-) >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:04:09 EST From: LMYERS2HOU@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V4 #39lesbian music/melissa ethereidge. In a message dated 2/8/00 4:11:12 PM Central Standard Time, owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org writes: nelliebly@earthlink.net << Hey, leave Melissa alone! :P >> You took the words right out of my mouth. Although I love Patty's music, Melissa is my favorite performer of all time. She is also a wonderful person who invited this old gal on stage with her at the Houston concert and sang a song to me that I had requested. Then she hugged me. I have been married to the same man for almost 45 years, but Melissa's music touches me more than anyone. Sorry to get away from Patty but I just couldn't let this go. Loretta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: Fab Gal in DC Subject: MM: Patty: A flamer or simply Flaming Red?? Who knew there was so much to be said concerning Patty's sexual orientation and the sexual orientation of her music??? Wowza! All I know is that Patty is down w/the queers who count themselves among her faithful. A former roommate of hers in Boston used to be a member of the direct action group Queer Nation and was an inspiration behind the song Moses (or so she said one night after one of her concerts.) But whether her music (or any woman's music, regardless of the singer's sexual orientation) is considered lesbian music...who cares?? As far as I'm concerened: If it speaks to me and relates with my own feelings and personal experiences, I like it. If it has passion and a good beat, I like it. If it happens to be about girls, I like it all the more !! - --- Leslie Singleton wrote: > Well said. I think you've got it :) > > >From: "Amy Emerman" > >To: mad-mission@smoe.org > >Subject: MM: Lebanese? > >Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:48:20 PST > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: [205.188.192.178] > >Received: from [24.128.1.70] by hotmail.com > (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBA690822003CD820F39B18800146E6610; Mon > Feb 07 22:52:20 2000 > >Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org > [24.30.216.55])by > >chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP > id BAA23827;Tue, 8 Feb 2000 > >01:51:00 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by > smoe.org > >(8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id > BAA23975;Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:49:50 > >-0500 (EST) > >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); > Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:49:49 -0500 > >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org > (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id > >BAA23959for mad-mission-outgoing; Tue, 8 Feb > 2000 01:48:55 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from hotmail.com > (f224.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.224])by > >smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with > SMTP id BAA23955for > >; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 > 01:48:51 -0500 (EST) > >Received: (qmail 47233 invoked by uid 0); 8 > Feb 2000 06:48:20 -0000 > >Received: from 205.188.192.178 by > www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:48:20 PST > >From owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Mon Feb 07 > 22:53:51 2000 > >Message-ID: > <20000208064820.47232.qmail@hotmail.com> > >Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org > >Precedence: bulk > > > >Lesbian music is great--at least the 1970's > stuff I used to listen to--and > >there's some great lesbian music out there > today, although I don't know if > >it should go under the bracket of "lesbian > music" when it's so worldly and > >appropriate for everyone, like the indigo > girls for example, I call that > >"human music". > > > >Patty is straight (not that I'm an expert on > sexuality, but she has been > >dating a man and was married, and no person > can be expected to be a 100% > >and > >I'm sure a lot of lesbians would be very happy > if Patty were gay, but I > >don't think she is. She is a passionate and > powerful, amazing, sweet and > >fiery woman, but like someone said, that > doesn't have to make her lesbian. > >In fact, it doesn't. So, for Patty's music to > be called "LEsbian music" is > >a > >bit misleading. > > > >Is Bruce Springsteen's music lesbian music? > Not unless you want it to be. > >Maybe if two lesbians are making love to it > then it is. > > > >Anyhoo, whatever....... > > > >I don't think the music itself needs to be gay > or straight...maybe Patty's > >music is bi...any good music should have both > masculine and feminine, ying > >and yang elements, right? > > > >Patty's voice can be a whisper or a scream, a > fragile yelp or a powerful > >wail, and it sound beautiful no matter what > she does. > > > >Whether her music is Chinese, Lebanese, > Lesbian, Black, Mexican, or none or > >all of the above--I think it's kinda human. > > > >A. :-) > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > ===== ~~~~ Keep on keeping on!! ~~~~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:16:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Utrup Subject: Re: MM: RE: I stand entirely corrected. (Kevin Smith) All the apologizing and reapologizing that absolutely everyone on this list does reminds me of the opening to the movie DOGMA, wherein Kevin Smith apologizes to everyone in advance, then apologizes to every person and creature he may have offended in references he made in the pre-apology... very funny stuff. Anyway, that's my story. (bows bows) :-) John ===== "My grandfather is hard-of-hearing. He needs to read lips. I don't mind him reading lips, but he uses one of those yellow highlighters." - Brian Kiley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:00:52 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: From the MM list owner - all please read :-) Hi folks :-) I just want to request something of many of you. Way too many posts are coming in that are quoting an entire post. This is really not necessary, and it is also wasting a lot of disk space. Each post to this list is permanently archived twice, once individually, and once again in the digest. As you can imagine, this all adds up fast. Unnecessary quoting uses up disk space even faster. Sometimes 2 or 3 posts have come in EACH quoting the exact same post in its' entirety. Therefore, that original post ends up in the archives (and EVERY subscribers mailbox) four to six times. Not to mention the fact that quoting an entire post is poor netiquette, and that it makes it harder for other MM readers to get the most out of a post. It is really best to only quote what is necessary to support your point/reply, and then delete the rest of the post you are replying to. It makes your post more effective and a better read:-) If your reply to the list needs NONE of the post quoted (as more than a few seem to), then please don't quote any of it. This request is made to help make this forum more enjoyable for all. Mike - list "owner" :-) P.S. If you received two copies of this post, it is because of a special method I used to send each digest subscriber an individual email. The drawback is each regular subscriber gets an additional copy. - - * The Patty Griffin/Mad-Mission@smoe List Homepage is at: * http://www.quackquack.net/pattyg * * Rachel Martin's Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive is at * http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3079/patty.html * * Jerry Zigmont's Flaming Red - A Patty Griffin Website is at * http://members.tripod.com/PattyGriffin * * Katie Peterson's Patty Griffin Guitar Tabs Archive is at * http://members.tripod.com/~Lifey/patty.html * * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 15:50:50 PST From: "Leslie Singleton" Subject: Re: MM: Patty: A flamer or simply Flaming Red?? I think a lot of people consider indigo lesbian music, and since the girls are my favorite band, I have to say that MANY of their songs touch me, or evoke emotions in me that have nothing to do with lesbianism (all though it's damn sexy when amy ray sings :) For example, I think 'chickenman' is an incredible song, but it has nothing to do with being gay and there is absolutely no reason why someone who is straight can't think the song rocks. Being touched by 'lesbian' music isn't reserved only for lesbians, and listening to straight musicians and finding them amazing isn't something that only straight people do. While I do understand the term lesbian music to an extent (but my definition may be nothing like someone else's), I think people put to much emphasis on their sexuality in the first place. I don't think we should label any music as specifically 'lesbian' or otherwise, because what it is to you may be something very different from what it is to someone else. No one should limit themself to what they see as straight music, or gay music. Music is taken in from all types of perspectives, and who cares if patty's music is 'lesbian' to some people? I just don't see where sexuality is an issue here. >From: Fab Gal in DC >To: Leslie Singleton , mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: Patty: A flamer or simply Flaming Red?? >Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:04:59 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [24.128.1.70] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBA69ED0A00C0D820F3AD18800146B62C0; Tue Feb 08 15:09:22 2000 >Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55])by >chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAB18775;Tue, 8 Feb 2000 >18:07:08 -0500 (EST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by smoe.org >(8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id SAA04903;Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:05:55 >-0500 (EST) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:05:53 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id >SAA04889for mad-mission-outgoing; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:05:06 -0500 (EST) >Received: from web117.yahoomail.com (web117.yahoomail.com >[205.180.60.91])by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with SMTP id >SAA04882for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:05:01 -0500 (EST) >Received: (qmail 3017 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2000 23:04:59 -0000 >Received: from [208.13.208.254] by web117.yahoomail.com; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 >15:04:59 PST >From owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Tue Feb 08 15:11:56 2000 >Message-ID: <20000208230459.3016.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> >Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk > >Who knew there was so much to be said concerning >Patty's sexual orientation and the sexual >orientation of her music??? Wowza! > >All I know is that Patty is down w/the queers who >count themselves among her faithful. A former >roommate of hers in Boston used to be a member of >the direct action group Queer Nation and was an >inspiration behind the song Moses (or so she said >one night after one of her concerts.) > >But whether her music (or any woman's music, >regardless of the singer's sexual orientation) is >considered lesbian music...who cares?? >As far as I'm concerened: If it speaks to me and >relates with my own feelings and personal >experiences, I like it. If it has passion and a >good beat, I like it. If it happens to be about >girls, I like it all the more !! > > > > > >--- Leslie Singleton wrote: > > Well said. I think you've got it :) > > > > >From: "Amy Emerman" > > >To: mad-mission@smoe.org > > >Subject: MM: Lebanese? > > >Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:48:20 PST > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >X-Originating-IP: [205.188.192.178] > > >Received: from [24.128.1.70] by hotmail.com > > (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBA690822003CD820F39B18800146E6610; Mon > > Feb 07 22:52:20 2000 > > >Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org > > [24.30.216.55])by > > >chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP > > id BAA23827;Tue, 8 Feb 2000 > > >01:51:00 -0500 (EST) > > >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by > > smoe.org > > >(8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id > > BAA23975;Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:49:50 > > >-0500 (EST) > > >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); > > Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:49:49 -0500 > > >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org > > (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id > > >BAA23959for mad-mission-outgoing; Tue, 8 Feb > > 2000 01:48:55 -0500 (EST) > > >Received: from hotmail.com > > (f224.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.224])by > > >smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with > > SMTP id BAA23955for > > >; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 > > 01:48:51 -0500 (EST) > > >Received: (qmail 47233 invoked by uid 0); 8 > > Feb 2000 06:48:20 -0000 > > >Received: from 205.188.192.178 by > > www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > > Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:48:20 PST > > >From owner-mad-mission@smoe.org Mon Feb 07 > > 22:53:51 2000 > > >Message-ID: > > <20000208064820.47232.qmail@hotmail.com> > > >Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org > > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > >Lesbian music is great--at least the 1970's > > stuff I used to listen to--and > > >there's some great lesbian music out there > > today, although I don't know if > > >it should go under the bracket of "lesbian > > music" when it's so worldly and > > >appropriate for everyone, like the indigo > > girls for example, I call that > > >"human music". > > > > > >Patty is straight (not that I'm an expert on > > sexuality, but she has been > > >dating a man and was married, and no person > > can be expected to be a 100% > > >and > > >I'm sure a lot of lesbians would be very happy > > if Patty were gay, but I > > >don't think she is. She is a passionate and > > powerful, amazing, sweet and > > >fiery woman, but like someone said, that > > doesn't have to make her lesbian. > > >In fact, it doesn't. So, for Patty's music to > > be called "LEsbian music" is > > >a > > >bit misleading. > > > > > >Is Bruce Springsteen's music lesbian music? > > Not unless you want it to be. > > >Maybe if two lesbians are making love to it > > then it is. > > > > > >Anyhoo, whatever....... > > > > > >I don't think the music itself needs to be gay > > or straight...maybe Patty's > > >music is bi...any good music should have both > > masculine and feminine, ying > > >and yang elements, right? > > > > > >Patty's voice can be a whisper or a scream, a > > fragile yelp or a powerful > > >wail, and it sound beautiful no matter what > > she does. > > > > > >Whether her music is Chinese, Lebanese, > > Lesbian, Black, Mexican, or none or > > >all of the above--I think it's kinda human. > > > > > >A. :-) > > > >______________________________________________________ > > >Get Your Private, Free Email at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >===== >~~~~ Keep on keeping on!! ~~~~ >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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