From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V3 #318 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/patttyg.htm * OR * go to http://www.amrecords.com * then click "tour" and fill in the blanks :) * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, November 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 318 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: NPC: Drug use and Hero worship [Fab DC gal ] MM: RE: NPC: Drug use and Hero worship [Gary Jacques ] MM: a little Patty story [JessBartn@aol.com] MM: Gasp! Tori does drugs??? ["C. Minter" ] MM: Tori and drugs [John Utrup ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: Fab DC gal Subject: MM: NPC: Drug use and Hero worship Dear Mad Mishers, It's been several months since I last posted to the Mad Mish list serv, but I'm back!!! I recently came across a gossip item/op-ed piece in a D.C. rag about a comment that Tori Amos apparently made about using drugs. I'm interested to hear other people's opinions about it. The link to the article is below. Basically, Tori says she did a few lines of cocaine here and there while recording her latest album and doesn't think it's a big deal to do drugs or to say that she does. My questions are: A. How do you feel about the fact that Tori states that she did drugs during a recording session? I know there's a lot of hard-core Tori fans out there, so I'd like to hear what you have to say. B. Do you think that rock stars, movie stars and others who are looked up to by the masses have a responsibility to be mindful of their status by NOT mentioning or flaunting their drug use? (The question is NOT whether they should do drugs, but whether they should openly state that they do). C. To keep this in the Patty-realm...What would you think if Patty Griffin made the same comments?? The link to the story is below. If anyone has the Cosmo article in which Tori's comments actually appear, could you take some time to post her direct quotes? That would be great! Many thanks! - --Wendy J in DC http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/indc/rockstar/rockhate.html ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:09:19 -0500 From: Gary Jacques Subject: MM: RE: NPC: Drug use and Hero worship I'm shocked and amazed by drug use in the music industry! Evil Gary - -----Original Message----- From: Fab DC gal [mailto:capitalgrrrl@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 10:23 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: NPC: Drug use and Hero worship Dear Mad Mishers, It's been several months since I last posted to the Mad Mish list serv, but I'm back!!! I recently came across a gossip item/op-ed piece in a D.C. rag about a comment that Tori Amos apparently made about using drugs. I'm interested to hear other people's opinions about it. The link to the article is below. Basically, Tori says she did a few lines of cocaine here and there while recording her latest album and doesn't think it's a big deal to do drugs or to say that she does. My questions are: A. How do you feel about the fact that Tori states that she did drugs during a recording session? I know there's a lot of hard-core Tori fans out there, so I'd like to hear what you have to say. B. Do you think that rock stars, movie stars and others who are looked up to by the masses have a responsibility to be mindful of their status by NOT mentioning or flaunting their drug use? (The question is NOT whether they should do drugs, but whether they should openly state that they do). C. To keep this in the Patty-realm...What would you think if Patty Griffin made the same comments?? The link to the story is below. If anyone has the Cosmo article in which Tori's comments actually appear, could you take some time to post her direct quotes? That would be great! Many thanks! - --Wendy J in DC http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/indc/rockstar/rockhate.html ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:38:56 EST From: Femboty2k@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: NPC: Drug use and Hero worship Something tells me that Patty wouldn't be so nonchalant as to announce something such as occasional drug use (this is not to imply that she uses). It's really no big deal, but Tori should keep it to herself. She probably feels "responsible" in her drug use, however using drugs responsibly/occasionally is very difficult to explain to young fans. Some things are better left unsaid. Later, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:45:40 -0600 From: rblack1@io.com (Ronda B.) Subject: MM: NPC: Drug use and Hero worship I think they (the supposed heros) do have a responsibility, but i don't think this problem is solved by censoring at the individual level. If a 14-year old is pondering drug use, she may yes, be influenced to do it because Tori uses ... but more likely she's affected by parents who don't give a shit, schools that are just so-so and a culture that encourages escapism and irresponsibility. I'd feel the same were it Patty, but will admit to a little shock and maybe some disappointment, as I'd like to believe the emotions that motivate her lyrics aren't affected by various and sundry substances. A good topic - and there's my take. Ronda At 07:23 AM 11/9/99 -0800, Fab DC gal wrote: >My questions are: > >A. How do you feel about the fact that Tori >states that she did drugs during a recording >session? I know there's a lot of hard-core Tori >fans out there, so I'd like to hear what you have >to say. > >B. Do you think that rock stars, movie stars and >others who are looked up to by the masses have a >responsibility to be mindful of their status by >NOT mentioning or flaunting their drug use? >(The question is NOT whether they should do >drugs, but whether they should openly state that >they do). > >C. To keep this in the Patty-realm...What would >you think if Patty Griffin made the same >comments?? Ronda Blacksher Director of Marketing Eye Clinic of Austin (512) 427-1152 www.eyeclinic2020.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:04:32 -0600 From: "Paquin, John" Subject: MM: re: drugs etc. I think people should be free to pursue the things that make them happy and less stressed. Unfortunately, because they are so much fun and so liberating, many of these behaviors can become self-destructive if they aren't pursued conscientiously. I don't think someone doing a few lines of coke is the end of the world, but if Tori's statement allows another person to think they can be less careful with their own behavior, then I think that is damaging. So I say, do what you think is right for you, just don't give other people the impression that your behaviors are ungoverned. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:50:14 EST From: JessBartn@aol.com Subject: MM: a little Patty story Hi Gorgeous MM'rs! I have a cute little Patty story that's not really about her, but about my use of her music. My teenage son plays football, and I'm the chauffer-slave mom who drives three of those big boys to practice every night. One of the first nights of the season we were all on our way to practice and I was playing my rarities tape (which I had to do surgery on to repair with scotch tape because I played my original so much, duh, I know) and the song "crazy" came on. My son started singing it out loud in a silly womans voice, then all other boys joined in. Imagine three huge football players singing "crazy" with such romantic emphasis, it's so hilarious! Now it's a tradition, every evening we sing a fabulous rendition on our way to practice. I just love what Patty's music has brought to my life :-) Jess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:39 -0600 From: "C. Minter" Subject: MM: Gasp! Tori does drugs??? Hey all, Being the Tori freak you all know me to be, I've already been witness to several interesting responses to this infamous (at least in the Tori realm) Cosmo article. I don't have direct quotes (you can go to tori.by.net for the article), but the context of the quote was in reference to her whole crew and the operative word used was "blow." Blow, as I later found out, is also British slang for marijuana so she could have been talking about that as well as she uses lots of Brit slang in her interviews and in concert (for those of you who don't know, she's been living in England for 8 years and is married to a Brit). I'm not saying that Tori DOESN'T do cocaine, but I don't think this Cosmo article, from what I remember of it, was a public confession that she's a cokehead. She has publicly disclosed that she does smoke pot and she does take hallucinogens every once in a while to kind of get a different perspective on things when writing. I know she's taken some "journeys" with Native American and South American shamans (we have "Father Lucifer" as a result of one of those journeys). In all honesty it would greatly disappoint me if I found out that Tori does do cocaine. It's a very dangerous drug and I'm very proud to say that the one time I was offered it, I staunchly just said "NO!" Nancy Reagan would be proud... As far as influencing other people, unfortunately, yes I think that Tori's comments hold a lot of weight in the minds of some of her admirers. I can easily see a fourteen year old girl saying, "Well if Tori does it, it must be okay!" However, I don't feel that public figures should censor themselves just because they're public figures. We all are able to make our own decisions based on our own morals (I'm not telling y'all anything new and earthshattering here). I guess I have some ambivalence in this area so I can't clearly answer the question. In regards to Patty, I doubt she's NEVER touched a mind-altering/numbing substance in her life. I think it's pretty difficult to find anyone past the age of 20 who hasn't dabbled in AT LEAST alcohol. But, to clarify: I'm NOT, NOT, NOT stating that Patty does drugs. I'm only speculating that perhaps she has tried at least SOMETHING in her life as many of us have. Bye! -Cristina ********************************************* "I thought that if you had an acoustic guitar that it meant that you were a protest singer. Oh, I can smile about it now, but at the time it was terrible." -The Smiths, "Shakespeare's Sister" ********************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: John Utrup Subject: MM: Tori and drugs Tori has always been one to take in a little of the not-so-safe substances, and I hope that no girls I know read that article and think it's reasonable to do such things, but my sister Kate contends that every artist who's really expressed themselves successfully in an abstract way has smoked or ingested something hallucinogenic at one time or another. Any thoughts? :-) John ===== Why has my angel gone from me? The moon I fear, and the stars fall on me. I won't close my eyes 'til the morning light. Oh, bring on the sun, I cannot rest tonight. - Kate Rusby __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V3 #318 *********************************