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mad-mission-digest     Thursday, October 28 1999     Volume 03 : Number 308



                               Today's Subjects:
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  MM: lucinda williams-changed the locks                 [NGowen2359@aol.com]
  MM: Patty song on NBC show                         [EveryLittleBit@aol.com]
  Re: MM: Lucinda Williams/Patty       ["Ata Rivers" <atarivers@hotmail.com>]
  Fwd: MM: Patty song on NBC show                        [NGowen2359@aol.com]
  Re: MM: Lucinda Williams/Patty                     [EveryLittleBit@aol.com]
  MM: Patty and the Yankees       ["Perlman, Judith" <PerlmanJ@UJAFEDNY.ORG>]
  MM: NPC but there must be writers out there...  ["Manon, Naomi C." <MANONN]
  MM: that was interesting           ["Paul Russell" <iceburrrg@hotmail.com>]
  MM: RE: that was interesting (OT)  ["Siegman, Elena" <esiegman@station.son]
  Re: MM: Lucinda Williams/Patty       ["Ata Rivers" <atarivers@hotmail.com>]
  MM: uh, NPG                        ["Paul Russell" <iceburrrg@hotmail.com>]
  Fwd: MM: uh, NPG                                        [Femboty2k@aol.com]

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 03:14:04 EDT
From: NGowen2359@aol.com
Subject: MM: lucinda williams-changed the locks

the silos have that on an album,did they write it?

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:56:56 EDT
From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com
Subject: MM: Patty song on NBC show

On the Yahoo! Patty Club message board there was a posting from a girl who 
works for NBC. Here it is:

<< Okay, so I work for NBC for the Gravity Games, and today in editing I 
convinced my favorite editor and our exec. producer to use one of Paay's 
songs in the opening for our fifth and last show. Its on this Sunday at 1pm 
California time and 4pm East Coast. Just thought you might like to watch. I 
think it might be cool to hear her so good but as of yet famous music get a 
little exposure. >>

I don't know what song it is, but it's still cool :)

Rachel :D

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
"Never underestimate the power of a mouse
She turns into a tiger when you leave her out the house"
            ~Patty Griffin
          <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~cornflake_girl/patty.html">The 
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:14:02 PDT
From: "Ata Rivers" <atarivers@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MM: Lucinda Williams/Patty

Is this a way of saying you are a fan of Mariah Carey?  There is lots of 
"range" and "variety" there.


>From: "C. Minter" <sisterjanet@email.com>
>To: <nelliebly@earthlink.net>, <mad-mission@smoe.org>
>Subject: Re: MM: Lucinda Williams/Patty
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:23:26 -0500
>
>Yes, I've had that reaction to Lucinda. I think she's an amazing 
>songwriter,
>but her voice seems to have no range and she constantly sings in the same
>key (it seems). I've got to have a little variety so I've turned away from
>Lucinda. I did see the Patty/Lucinda show when it came through Nashville 
>and
>Lucinda was VERY polite and laid back and seemed like an extremely nice,
>professional woman who doesn't give into the rock star bullshit. Anyway, I
>just thought I'd throw in my $.02.
>                                                     -Cristina
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>"I thought that if you had an acoustic guitar
>  that it meant that you were a protest singer.
>  Oh, I can smile about it now, but at the time it was terrible."
>                       -The Smiths, "Shakespeare's Sister"
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:53:04 EDT
From: NGowen2359@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: MM: Patty song on NBC show

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In a message dated 10/28/1999 1:00:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
EveryLittleBit@aol.com writes:

<< 
 << Okay, so I work for NBC for the Gravity Games, and today in editing I 
 convinced my favorite editor and our exec. producer to use one of Paay's 
 songs in the opening for our fifth and last show. Its on this Sunday at 1pm 
 California time and 4pm East Coast. Just thought you might like to watch. I 
 think it might be cool to hear her so good but as of yet famous music get a 
 little exposure. >>
 
 I don't know what song it is, but it's still cool :)
 
 Rachel :D-logic suggests it's blue sky
 
 

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On the Yahoo! Patty Club message board there was a posting from a girl who 
works for NBC. Here it is:

<< Okay, so I work for NBC for the Gravity Games, and today in editing I 
convinced my favorite editor and our exec. producer to use one of Paay's 
songs in the opening for our fifth and last show. Its on this Sunday at 1pm 
California time and 4pm East Coast. Just thought you might like to watch. I 
think it might be cool to hear her so good but as of yet famous music get a 
little exposure. >>

I don't know what song it is, but it's still cool :)

Rachel :D

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
"Never underestimate the power of a mouse
She turns into a tiger when you leave her out the house"
            ~Patty Griffin
          <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~cornflake_girl/patty.html">The 
Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive</A> 
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:54:57 EDT
From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com
Subject: Re: MM: Lucinda Williams/Patty

In a message dated 10/28/99 2:21:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
atarivers@hotmail.com writes:

<< Is this a way of saying you are a fan of Mariah Carey?  There is lots of 
 "range" and "variety" there. >>

Range? Yes. Variety? Not in the past 7 years of her career.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
"Never underestimate the power of a mouse
She turns into a tiger when you leave her out the house"
            ~Patty Griffin
          <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~cornflake_girl/patty.html">The 
Patty Griffin Lyrics Archive</A> 
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:03:51 -0400
From: "Perlman, Judith" <PerlmanJ@UJAFEDNY.ORG>
Subject: MM: Patty and the Yankees

1865 - The Yankees destroy Atlanta.
1999 - The Yankees destroy Atlanta.

Patty, come back to NY to get your Yankee 1999 World Champion, 25 World
Series Championships, regalia!

The best deserves only the best.

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:12:49 -0400
From: "Manon, Naomi C." <MANONNC@alfred.edu>
Subject: MM: NPC but there must be writers out there...

Hi all,
I thought that in a group that appreciates good writting (musically) there'd
definitely be some writers that might be interested in this.  Make sure to
reply to me, not to the list if you're interested.  Also, pass this on to
anyone you know that might want to submit.  Thanks!

Nomi

**************************************************************************

Call for submissions

  For my Women's Studies senior project I'm working on putting together an
ANTHOLOGY of WOMEN in RELIGION. I am looking for women writing about their
involvement in and/or relationship to religion. Seeking creative short
fiction, non-fiction, poetry and essays from women of all religious
backgrounds. I am currently seeking a publisher and self-publishing funds.
For more information and/or submissions contact 
Nomi Manon, 56 Powell Campus Ctr., Alfred, NY 14802 or manonnc@alfred.edu.
Please send a short bio and contact information with submissions. Women
included in the anthology will receive a copy of the finished work.
Deadline: January 1, 2000. 

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:50:43 PDT
From: "Paul Russell" <iceburrrg@hotmail.com>
Subject: MM: that was interesting

Looking for women writers, huh?

so, I suppose you can't be a man writer then.

What about those who were at one time a woman, but then changed to a man? Or 
someone who is now a woman, but once was a man? Would they count as well?

And who is Paay anyway?

burnt outtedly yours,

paul



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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:16:01 -0700
From: "Siegman, Elena" <esiegman@station.sony.com>
Subject: MM: RE: that was interesting (OT)

Well, I certainly don't want to start a flame war or anything, but I
couldn't let it slide...

Paul, when it comes down to religion, you really can't deny that there are
aspects of almost any and all that affect both genders differently.
Especially when it comes down to extremely devout families/people.

I know that growing up in a fundamentally religious and devout family will
effect a female child differently than a male child and vice-versa. That's
really just one aspect of it. It's a widely known fact that many religions
at the core base assume that a woman must stay at home with the children and
take care of the household. Obviously, this will affect the way that both
women and men will have different experiences, ideas and emotions regarding
religion in their life. Furthermore, there are many idiosyncracies and rules
ingrained in almost any religion that are specific to gender (i.e.
Catholicism denies women the right to priesthood; Orthodox Jewish men are
not allowed to have physical contact with women when they are menstrating,
etc... One need only read the bible to get a brief idea about how women have
been viewed religiously throughout history). Really, these are just examples
off of the top of my head that illustrate a perfectly valid reason to write
a book that specifically points out the experience of women, and only women,
and how their gender relates to their religion.

Lastly, and you may beg to differ, but I think that many of us would agree
that a large portion of the main-stream media, literature and even still art
and culture - are male-centric. Perhaps you don't have a problem with that,
but I find it frustrating to consisitently be reminded by the society that I
live in that issues and views regarding women are unimportant. 

Personally, I really don't think that everything needs to have a gender
attached to it, but I do think that you'll find that when there *is* an
implied gender, it is almost always male.

Sheesh. Sorry this is so long and so completely unrelated to Patty Griffin
and her incredible, inspiring music.

- --Elena





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> From:	Paul Russell [SMTP:iceburrrg@hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 28, 1999 3:51 PM
> To:	mad-mission@smoe.org
> Subject:	MM: that was interesting
> 
> Looking for women writers, huh?
> 
> so, I suppose you can't be a man writer then.
> 
> What about those who were at one time a woman, but then changed to a man?
> Or 
> someone who is now a woman, but once was a man? Would they count as well?
> 
> And who is Paay anyway?
> 
> burnt outtedly yours,
> 
> paul
> 
> 
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:18:15 PDT
From: "Ata Rivers" <atarivers@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MM: Lucinda Williams/Patty

I'm only winding you up.  I agree with you 100%.  In fact, I will go as far 
as to say that Mariah wastes her talent.  On the other hand, I have to admit 
that I understand her reasoning.


>From: EveryLittleBit@aol.com
>To: atarivers@hotmail.com, mad-mission@smoe.org
>Subject: Re: MM: Lucinda Williams/Patty
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:54:57 EDT
>
>In a message dated 10/28/99 2:21:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>atarivers@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< Is this a way of saying you are a fan of Mariah Carey?  There is lots of
>  "range" and "variety" there. >>
>
>Range? Yes. Variety? Not in the past 7 years of her career.
>
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>She turns into a tiger when you leave her out the house"
>             ~Patty Griffin
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>HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~cornflake_girl/patty.html">The
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:35:22 PDT
From: "Paul Russell" <iceburrrg@hotmail.com>
Subject: MM: uh, NPG

Should I take that as a "no" then on the trans-gender thing?

peace love and vegetable rights

pual

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:40:18 EDT
From: Femboty2k@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: MM: uh, NPG

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Hey Paul,  
You spelled your name wrong. 

Later,
Tina

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Should I take that as a "no" then on the trans-gender thing?

peace love and vegetable rights

pual

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